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One former Labour staffer is not best pleased:

JFC are these Corbyn's people, or are they the tiger he's riding?

In the face of an expansionist Russia do these morons really believe that pre-emptive surrender to Putin's wet dream is a solid policy position?

 

[PJV3]

I'm laughing at socialists being against internationalism, what the fuck is going on.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

I'm laughing at socialists being against internationalism, what the fuck is going on.

As a certain lord once said
"it's going to be a shitshow"

 

[f0rk]

Presumably young Labour aren't for Israel, so what is their alternative to a two state solution?

 

[Spuck-uk]

Someone get a fucking grip. There's millions of people in this country and, whilst an awful lot of them are thick and detestable, the consequences of Brexit combined with political and financial ineptitude will probably be disastrous.

Unless we make a shit load of delicious, nutritious jam.

Corbyn is so far ahead of the curve on this.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

I'm laughing at socialists being against internationalism, what the fuck is going on.

Socialist internationalism isn't the same as liberal internationalism. NATO is a liberal project, solidarity with America's/NATO's victims should be a socialist one.

There's no excuse for voting against freedom of movement though. Capitulating to/advocating for a fundamentally xenophobic anti-immigration position is Corbyn and his allies' biggest failing

Presumably young Labour aren't for Israel, so what is their alternative to a two state solution?

Presumably the same as South Africa, a single, multi-ethnic, secular state

 

[Jackpot]

Boris's Commons stint is reading like a Trump press conference.

The SNP’s David Linden asks Johnson if he will apologise for his comments at the Tory conference about the need to clear away the dead bodies in Sirte.

Johnson says we must all be aware of the tragic absence of security in Libya and Sirte. But, when those problems are resolved, Libya has fantastic prospects.

Labour’s shadow foreign minister Fabian Hamilton says Johnson said that the only people criticising him over his Sirte comments had no knowledge of Libya. Quoting a Libyan politician saying the remarks were offensive, he asks Johnson to apologise.

Johnson says MPs should get behind the plan to bring security to Libya and Sirte. That would honour those who died, he says.

The SNP’s Stephen Gethins asks how Johnson thinks his comments impacted on Libya.

Johnson says he is trying to bring people together.

Gethins agrees. He has brought people together to condemn what he said.

Johnson accuses Gethins of “political point scoring”. Ignoring the security problems in Libya does no one any favours, he says.

In one of his answers on Libya Boris Johnson accused the opposition of “trivialising” the security situation in Libya.

Here is Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, effectively accusing him of hypocrisy.

Boris Johnson accuses critics of his Libya remarks of trivialising the issue. Yes, the same Boris Johnson who joked about dead bodies

Labour’s Jeff Smith says Johnson said earlier this year that Labour had been far too pessimistic about Donald Trump. Does he accept he was wrong?

Johnson says President Trump has not juncked the Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA. Britain intends to keep it alive.

Sir Edward Leigh, a Conservative, asks Johnson if he intends to encourage Trump to encourage a negotiated solution to the Korean crisis.

Johnson says he wants to see “jaw-jaw, not war-war.”

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, asks if Johnson accepts now that the UK will have to pay a divorce bill to the UK. And how much should it be?

Johnson says Thornberry has misquoted him. He said he was opposed to the UK paying a substantial sum. Some people were talking €100bn. Would “suppine” Labour pay that much? He thinks they would, he says.

Boris brands Labour benches "supine invertebrate protoplasmic jellies" for refusing to rule out paying £100bn Brexit bill.

Thornberry says Johnson has said both that the government is planning for no deal and isn’t. Which is it?

Johnson says there is a ruthless consistency in everything he has said. Tory MPs are united behind the principles of the Lancaster House speech, the article 50 letter and the Florence speech, he says.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...brexit-talks-claims-merkel-ally-politics-live

 

[Mr. Sam]

He just makes it up as he goes along.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

I wish I could be that shit at my job with the only major risk being a promotion.

 

[CyclopsRock]

"The move to scrap freedom of movement will also come as a major concern to Labour voters..."

I strongly suspect that literally no one will be concerned, majorly or otherwise, about what the Labour Youth movement is up to.

 

[Dorsal Axe]

Today's Times cartoon:

 

[Roberto Larcos]

Warning: Utter bile.

Spoiler

 

[Mr. Sam]

Warning: Utter bile.

Spoiler

And yet Sarah Vine's normally so lovely.

 

[War Peaceman]

What do you expect of someone who married and - presumably - had sex with Michael Gove? Decency is the last thing I'd expect.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/universal-credit-helpline-charges-to-be-scrapped

Universal credit helpline charges to be scrapped

Is this part of May's claim that they are always looking into ways to improve this system? Lol

Spoiler

The fact informing on benefits cheats has always been a free phone number and this wasn't says a lot

 

[PJV3]

I find it funny the guardian is worried for the Tories that Corbyn is beating them on the economy at PMQs.

 

[Coriolanus]

Warning: Utter bile.

Spoiler

wonder if that mi5 bit ended with a call for weaker encryption..

 

[Deleted member 231381]

LAB: 44% (+2)
CON: 38% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-1)

Survation confirming Full Communism draws ever nearer.

For trivia, the best performance by any party in a postwar poll was this one:

Gallup/Telegraph, 1995-12-04, CON 23% LAB 62% LIB 12%

But to be fair Gallup badly flopped the following election, so I'm not sure that was ever accurate. ICM had Blair's peak at 50%.

 

[PJV3]

LAB: 44% (+2)
CON: 38% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-1)

Survation confirming Full Communism draws ever nearer.

Very nice Comrade, the red dawn is almost here.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Baring some catastrophic error by Labour, I just don't see how the Conservatives think they are going to last as a viable option for most people.

At least every week, normally sooner, we have the results of austerity and brexit and just about every shitty tory policy crashing down on us and they don't have any believable excuses anymore other than incompetence or self interest.

They are even losing their go to "labour crashed the economy" excuse since even Osbourne came out and said Labour did pretty much everything they could in the situation and it wasn't their fault.

Look how easy Corbyn trounced May at the PMQs. It's like the Tories just keep handing ammo out to Labour each week and they are stuck with a prop gun that May still somehow manages to shoot herself with.

In an ideal world the party would crumble, the country just can't keep going with them and their ilk bleeding us dry.

 

[Principate]

Baring some catastrophic error by Labour, I just don't see how the Conservatives think they are going to last as a viable option for most people.

At least every week, normally sooner, we have the results of austerity and brexit and just about every shitty tory policy crashing down on us and they don't have any believable excuses anymore other than incompetence or self interest.

They are even losing their go to "labour crashed the economy" excuse since even Osbourne came out and said Labour did pretty much everything they could in the situation and it wasn't their fault.

Look how easy Corbyn trounced May at the PMQs. It's like the Tories just keep handing ammo out to Labour each week and they are stuck with a prop gun that May still somehow manages to shoot herself with.

In an ideal world the party would crumble, the country just can't keep going with them and their ilk bleeding us dry.

I think they're bracing for a loss in the next general election. I can only imagine they hope the DUP deal doesn't actually fall early into the term and try to ride this current wave and hope apathy sets in on these issues... eventually.

 

[TeddyBoy]

So the latest unemployment figures were released (unemployment went down), but I was curious, since unemployment keeps dropping at what point does it hurt the economy that there aren't the necessary people available for growing companies to expand?

Or, when does the low unemployment hurt the economy as there are no longer people with the right skill sets in the job market if a company wanted to expand?

I know this is an economic question but it's heavily based in politics so I felt it was appropriate here.

 

[Goodlife]

LAB: 44% (+2)
CON: 38% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-1)

Survation confirming Full Communism draws ever nearer.

For trivia, the best performance by any party in a postwar poll was this one:

Gallup/Telegraph, 1995-12-04, CON 23% LAB 62% LIB 12%

But to be fair Gallup badly flopped the following election, so I'm not sure that was ever accurate. ICM had Blair's peak at 50%.

Can't believe it's actually happening

 

[PJV3]

Can't believe it's actually happening

It's even weirder to see it with UKIP being virtually wiped out as a party.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

I think they're bracing for a loss in the next general election. I can only imagine they hope the DUP deal doesn't actually fall early into the term and try to ride this current wave and hope apathy sets in on these issues... eventually.

Well from what I heard on the radio today the chances of the DUP deal falling through have grown since the SF meetings have apparently stalled.

Hopefully they fall apart rapidly Nd completely.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Whilst Labour's position is clearly very strong, it must be a *little* worrying that Corbyn is beating May at every PMQs, she's being stabbed in the back left, right and center, Brexit negotiations are a shit show, Boris is pissing in her cornflakes, the Tories are being beaten around Parliament on opposition day... And yet they're stuck at 38%? That's still a really high percentage.

Come back Cameron. Please. You can have all the kids and pigs you can fuck, promise.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Whilst Labour's position is clearly very strong, it must be a *little* worrying that Corbyn is beating May at every PMQs, she's being stabbed in the back left, right and center, Brexit negotiations are a shit show, Boris is pissing in her cornflakes, the Tories are being beaten around Parliament on opposition day... And yet they're stuck at 38%? That's still a really high percentage.

Come back Cameron. Please. You can have all the kids and pigs you can fuck, promise.

Shows how fucked our politics are at the moment, the fact the Tories can be so absolutely, historically awful yet so many people still think "yep, that's my party".

 

[PJV3]

Whilst Labour's position is clearly very strong, it must be a *little* worrying that Corbyn is beating May at every PMQs, she's being stabbed in the back left, right and center, Brexit negotiations are a shit show, Boris is pissing in her cornflakes, the Tories are being beaten around Parliament on opposition day... And yet they're stuck at 38%? That's still a really high percentage.

Come back Cameron. Please. You can have all the kids and pigs you can fuck, promise.

I know it's hard to believe but they are at 38% with Jeremy Corbyn running the labour party, Abbott in line for the Home Office and ukip almost all back in the fold.

That's nuts as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I know it's hard to believe but they are at 38% with Jeremy Corbyn running the labour party, Abbott in line for the Home Office and ukip almost all back in the fold.

That's nuts as far as I'm concerned.

Ugh. That's true.

 

[Jezbollah]

Come back Cameron. Please. You can have all the kids and pigs you can fuck, promise.

I was thinking about the old Cameron/Milliband days this afternoon after hearing an interview on 5Live with Ed about his latest podcast. I'd much rather have those days back. They were both stronger parties. Our state of politics is in a mess.

Incidentally, MPs have voted in favour of Labours motion calling on the government to pause the implementation of universal credit by 299 votes to 0 after the majority of Conservative MPs abstained.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Apparently they three whipped them into not voting, must have been shitting themselves at the possible outcome.

 

[JonathanEx]

I love that in response to the Conservatives boycotting Opposition Day to try and stop votes, Labour provided tellers for both sides to keep them happening according to some tweets.

 

[Uzzy]

Apparently this is only the fourth opposition day motion to pass since 1978. One passed in 2009 on Gurkha settlement rights, which caused a change in government policy, while the other two passed last month on the same day, which the Conservatives again whipped to abstain on.

Bercow was rather seething afterwards, he highlighted the need of the Government to respect the House and at the very least respond to the expressed will of the House. Sir Edward Leigh also said 'This is not and should not be a university debating society, what is the point of the House of Commons if we just express opinions for the sake of it and surely when we vote it should have some effect?'

 

[Deleted member 231381]

PMQs was brutal. If it was boxing, they'd have thrown in the damn towel. Corbyn isn't even much of an orator and May was just completely out of her depth.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

May is very very close to going. If the EU fails to do a shock capitulation to her Brexit plan and the government goes for a No Deal Brexit, she's definitely toast. It'd represent the total failure of her premiership.

If Yougov and others begin to lock in the trend to show a narrow majority of voters regarding Brexit as a mistake, her entire party might be toast.

I may bet on her going by Christmas.

If May is swapped out for literally anyone else, Corbyn's lead is likely to shrink, though.

 

[PJV3]

May is very very close to going. If the EU fails to do a shock capitulation to her Brexit plan and the government goes for a No Deal Brexit, she's definitely toast. It'd represent the total failure of her premiership.

If Yougov and others begin to lock in the trend to show a narrow majority of voters regarding Brexit as a mistake, her entire party might be toast.

I may bet on her going by Christmas.

If May is swapped out for literally anyone else, Corbyn's lead is likely to shrink, though.

They can try and replace her at such a late stage, but is the Tory party at Westminster in the mood for a coronation(I don't think they can go for a proper competition without annoying the electorate even more) and who the fuck wants that job with the rocks rapidly approaching.

It's not going to look good for them.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

All it takes is a leadership contest to be called, not for someone to rise up to challenge May. Once May goes then someone has to fill in. Maybe it would be a coronation. IDK.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Would a new Tory leader jeapordize the relationship with the DUP?

 

[PJV3]

Would a new Tory leader jeapordize the relationship with the DUP?

They would love someone like Mogg, I don't see liberal Tories putting up with It. I really think May is the best they can do without causing splits to appear.

There was a poll sometime after the election that said replacing her made the Tories less popular, they are in a funny place.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

They would love someone like Mogg, I don't see liberal Tories putting up with It. I really think May is the best they can do without causing splits to appear.

There was a poll sometime after the election that said replacing her made the Tories less popular, they are in a funny place.

Mogg is Catholic. They would *detest* someone like Mogg.

 

[PJV3]

Mogg is Catholic. They would *detest* someone like Mogg.

Lol, yeah I was thinking more about his various views and not his actual religion, I'm not sure how they would feel about that or how he would deal with it.

 

[Protome]

PMQs was brutal. If it was boxing, they'd have thrown in the damn towel. Corbyn isn't even much of an orator and May was just completely out of her depth.

So, I stopped watching PMQs a while back because Corbyn was terrible at them and the Tories have never taken them seriously and treat them like they're practicing for a stand-up show.

But I just watched this and damn, you aren't kidding. Corbyn shut down every bad joke the Tories tried to make then twisted the knife on every important issue that he brought up. May looked even more like a joke than usual. Honestly, the longer this failure of a government continues, the better Corbyn gets at all this stuff.

 

[Goodlife]

So, I stopped watching PMQs a while back because Corbyn was terrible at them and the Tories have never taken them seriously and treat them like they're practicing for a stand-up show.

But I just watched this and damn, you aren't kidding. Corbyn shut down every bad joke the Tories tried to make then twisted the knife on every important issue that he brought up. May looked even more like a joke than usual. Honestly, the longer this failure of a government continues, the better Corbyn gets at all this stuff.

I just caught up on it.
He destroyed her, it's embarrassing really, not that PMQ's actually means anything

 

[TimmmV]

Baring some catastrophic error by Labour, I just don't see how the Conservatives think they are going to last as a viable option for most people.

At least every week, normally sooner, we have the results of austerity and brexit and just about every shitty tory policy crashing down on us and they don't have any believable excuses anymore other than incompetence or self interest.

They are even losing their go to "labour crashed the economy" excuse since even Osbourne came out and said Labour did pretty much everything they could in the situation and it wasn't their fault.

Look how easy Corbyn trounced May at the PMQs. It's like the Tories just keep handing ammo out to Labour each week and they are stuck with a prop gun that May still somehow manages to shoot herself with.

In an ideal world the party would crumble, the country just can't keep going with them and their ilk bleeding us dry.

Osbourne said that? Do you have a link by any chance, would be interested to read that

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Osbourne said that? Do you have a link by any chance, would be interested to read that

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/920028051911663616
Here you go

 

[TimmmV]

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/920028051911663616
Here you go

Thank you!

 

[Cronen]

Theresa May says no Government cash for sprinklers in tower blocks despite promises made after Grenfell

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Theresa May says no Government cash for sprinklers in tower blocks despite promises made after Grenfell

Tories really are wretched murderous vermin

 

[Jezbollah]

I guess they think sorting the cladding issue out is enough... :/

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Watched QT this week.

I think I have a good idea for a video to make in a few months: it'd be a compilation of all the audience members talking about how amazing Brexit is going to be.