Spyder_Monkey
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I don't get what you're trying to say here. Big sites should only have one reviewer?
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I don't get what you're trying to say here. Big sites should only have one reviewer?
Ah yes, the bullshit excuse of different people with different opinions.
I see a lot of drive-by "Good video, games critics suck" commentary, whereas the criticism against the video on here tends to be a lot more long form. It's almost as if there's a divide in the type of people who prefer to consume this short form "comedy-criticism" stuff and people who are more invested in games criticism. Not that they both don't have their place, but it's something I noticed.
The video strikes me as coming off as "I am on this platform and it is better than this other platform", a sort of YouTube vs. traditional games media, whether intentional or not. And I think both of them have places in the world of video game discussion, and both of them have glaring issues, but this is a really one sided and, through the editing, very misleading video. It's also just kind of lazy and extremely surface level. And it's not that Dunkey is bad at surface level criticism or discussion, and it's not that his style doesn't have a place, but I think he bit off way more than he could chew.
I was listening to the Waypoint podcast about this, and the discussions they went in to were far more interesting to me than "Boy, IGN sure is dumb huh!". Dunkey has his talent, but his format is not at all suited to take on this huge discussion, and I think if he went into a conversation or debate with someone like Austin Walker, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
The biggest problem to me is all the people watching this going "Yeah, the games media sucks!". As if there's not a more nuanced approach to this, and as if big sites like IGN aren't a collection of different people rather than some giant entity with one singular opinion. Honestly, I think the truth is that people on average don't really care that much about games criticism. For the most part, people just want their opinions or preconceived notions about games validated, which is why you'll generally find far more dislikes on negative reviews than positive ones. And that's where the "games critics just don't get it!" mindset might come from.
The video strikes me as coming off as "I am on this platform and it is better than this other platform", a sort of YouTube vs. traditional games media, whether intentional or not. And I think both of them have places in the world of video game discussion, and both of them have glaring issues, but this is a really one sided and, through the editing, very misleading video. It's also just kind of lazy and extremely surface level. And it's not that Dunkey is bad at surface level criticism or discussion, and it's not that his style doesn't have a place, but I think he bit off way more than he could chew.
I was listening to the Waypoint podcast about this, and the discussions they went in to were far more interesting to me than "Boy, IGN sure is dumb huh!". Dunkey has his talent, but his format is not at all suited to take on this huge discussion, and I think if he went into a conversation or debate with someone like Austin Walker, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
The biggest problem to me is all the people watching this going "Yeah, the games media sucks!". As if there's not a more nuanced approach to this, and as if big sites like IGN aren't a collection of different people rather than some giant entity with one singular opinion. Honestly, I think the truth is that people on average don't really care that much about games criticism. For the most part, people just want their opinions or preconceived notions about games validated, which is why you'll generally find far more dislikes on negative reviews than positive ones. And that's where the "games critics just don't get it!" mindset might come from.
Yeah it's funny, this video sounds like it's from 2009 or earlier. I hope he gets on a podcast with some of his "targets" and has a discussion about it, because I would like to see how he explains some of the contradictions in it. Austin Walker/Waypoint would be my prefered choice because he's one of the few actual academics in the field who knows the business well, too and isn't employed by one of the big sites.
Or maybe it's me becaue I was in a Giant Bomb bubble for a long time, but they thought about most of his points almost 10 years ago and built their site around it. That's why they went the personality driven route, why they like to make long raw and uncut videos, why they have a premium sub model and that's why they have a 5 star review scale.
It's like he's actually missed years of discussions around video game criticism. Or maybe the discussion missed their audience...
Or maybe it's me becaue I was in a Giant Bomb bubble for a long time, but they thought about most of his points almost 10 years ago and built their site around it. That's why they went the personality driven route, why they like to make long raw and uncut videos, why they have a premium sub model and that's why they have a 5 star review scale.
It's like he's actually missed years of discussions around video game criticism. Or maybe the discussion missed their audience...
Glass Shark
Banned
Bingo. There is absolutely nothing new here, and some of it borders on conspiracy-level bullshit that has been disproved for years. I'm not saying mainstream game criticism is perfect. It definitely has it's issues. But this "takedown" is a dull retread with absolutely nothing about the more nuanced problems in the industry.
chaobreaker
Member
I just listened to the Waypoint podcast about the video too. I agree with everything Austin and co had to say but especially how they feel Dunkey's desire for reviews to go back to the numbers based "buyer's guide" reviews is unrealistic and pretty telling of how his views of professional games criticism is dated. Like he's only now aware of what these gaming sites have been doing these days. Where has he been?
All he's done is take cheap potshots at a industry that is already vilified by a certain subset of gamers.
All he's done is take cheap potshots at a industry that is already vilified by a certain subset of gamers.
Conkerkid11
Member
So, did I miss something? I haven't been tuning into his Twitch streams, but has he been playing PUBG with H3H3? https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousPiercingLouse4Head
Yeah they play games together from what I understand
The Hermit
Member
yup. some feathers was rustled.
It has some truth but its far from a deep analysis, its just a fun video.
Ending was great, lol
Comrade Crunch
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD1fanD0ZI
He just put out a video of PUBG, pretty funny, definitely reminded me a lot of his Rust videos.
He just put out a video of PUBG, pretty funny, definitely reminded me a lot of his Rust videos.
poipoipoi9
Member
Don't understand the part where he forces a player to take their pants off and another part where a different player forced him to take his pants off. This also happened in his H1Z1 video. Is it a reference to something?
tensuke
Member
I don't think so, it's just funny I guess.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Its funny lol
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Old-school ARMA II DayZ style griefing
Conkerkid11
Member
Kind of weird to see a Dunkey video now that almost all the clips used were from his Twitch stream and are also like the top clips there as well. Surprised he didn't use the clip of him killing the dude with the pan.
There is no strict no teamkilling rule. And there is no in-game report system or anything that actually identifies this type of griefing and punishes for it.
Visualante2
Member
Dunkey vs Car round two got me hard.
Alessandro
Member
I'm pretty sure they banned Dr disrespect for team killing last week.
Comrade Crunch
Member
It's a reference to his Rust Videos, where he made people give him their pants, he did it in that because it was funny.
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"Take off your fuckin' pants mate" is the defacto survivalgame show of superiority/advantage and has been since time immemorial
you don't wear pants in Elektro
you don't wear pants in Elektro
Conkerkid11
Member
If they did, he might have been playing with randoms who reported him. Dunkey was only teamkilling friends.
I can't even tell if he actually hates it, or if this whole video is tongue in cheek.
OricWindstar
Member
Funny video, but is imprecise aiming a consistent complaint with Splatoon? Haven't heard that one before.
I think it's genuine, the ending parts just being funny to help ease the hard criticism.
I only tried the splatfest and the other beta, and I couldn't aim for shit.
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the analog aiming genuinely sucks and some people just can't accept the motion controls which are an excellent substitute
usually I'm not this dismissive but that video is three minutes of "I don't entirely understand the game or how to play it, and it's Splatoon's fault"
still tho, it's Dunkey. I could see dude warming up to the game eventually
shotgunbob04
Member
Same here. Turned off the motion controls and it was much better. Didn't buy it in the end though.
With the length of the video and the really half baked criticism it kinda feels like he made this video only to point out the Knack 2 posts in the plaza. As much as I get it ain't for him, this is a pretty weak video with a little too much projection going on (calls the game straight up dumb instead of dumb fun but then says it's fun in the ending like, ???).
Dunkey's kinda losing his touch recently imo with his more "serious" videos.
Diablohead
Member
Splatoon 2 doesn't have sticky crosshairs or aim assist so it's a bit rough to learn but you can master it, it's very much like launch halo 5 aiming.
The gyro implementation in this game is pretty lackluster too. Still better than analog but nowhere near something like Killzone Mercenary. Or some games with the Steam controller. Or even BOTW.
They're not. Motion controls are and have always been terrible.
Computer mice are motion-based and it's always been superior to stick controls.
Just a guess, but I think this Splatoon 2 video won't sit well with a lot of his user base.
I think a lot of his fan base are Nintendo fans due to his videos historically emphasizing gameplay and criticizing story focused games.
It's interesting to me that I've seen him be wrong on other games with everyone supporting him, but now I've already saw the reddit threads turning against him for the first time.
I think a lot of his fan base are Nintendo fans due to his videos historically emphasizing gameplay and criticizing story focused games.
It's interesting to me that I've seen him be wrong on other games with everyone supporting him, but now I've already saw the reddit threads turning against him for the first time.
It's only imprecise if you're bad. There's no aim assist.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Some of his favorite games are also Nintendo gsmes5
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The analog stick controls in Splatoon are not very good, and to believe otherwise suggests to me that you haven't played very many console shooters lately. It's the only console shooter I've played this generation with worse aiming out of the box than Halo 5 had.
Motion controls aren't just an excellent substitute - they're generally suggested as the superior control scheme by pro players. I suppose you imagine there's no reason for that, though.
Your general dismissal of motion controls regardless of context just flat out suggests to me that you don't know what you're talking about at all. You're a prime example of the kind of person I mentioned in the post you quoted - the kind of person who just can't accept the idea of motion control (likely based on outdated and asinine 'waggle' concerns), no matter how useful the motion controls actually are.
We live in a world where motion control is in every device, and where motion controls make things like life-like VR experiences possible. A world where motion control usually serves as a supplemental addition to other control schemes, as opposed to the overbearing all-in motion control schemes of the Wii days.
but "they're terrible and were always terrible". Suuuuuuure.
Hey, guys, the internet is terrible and was always terrible. Source: I used AOL dialup back in the day lolz. I know what I'm talking about
Oh I know. Hence why I theorized he garnered that audience. If you remember/seen the sad year or the good year videos, it seemed he based the quality of the year on what games Nintendo has released that year.
Jawmuncher
Member
There ain't nothing superior about motion controls when playing in handheld move.
SparkleMotion
Member
Then don't play handheld.
Nitpicker_Red
Member
This video's going to be slightly controversial.
Based on his comments about the online difficulty not being there and him not trying the motion controls, it does indeed feel a bit rushed (like someone commented, rushed for Knack2?).
But I'm not sure he should play more of the game if he didn't click with it.
Oh, and A video that shows that you don't have to move that much for motion-controls for reference.
Based on his comments about the online difficulty not being there and him not trying the motion controls, it does indeed feel a bit rushed (like someone commented, rushed for Knack2?).
But I'm not sure he should play more of the game if he didn't click with it.
Oh, and A video that shows that you don't have to move that much for motion-controls for reference.
Patterbits
Member
Then don't use the defining feature and namesake of the console.
I love playing handheld with my Switch, but honestly every game I've played so far and not only Splatoon 2 controlled and played better with the Pro Controller. So with an online and competitive game you are at disadvantage by playing in handheld regardless of how good the motion control is in that mode.
They are still factually superior, if you don't want to have to tilt your screen too much just increase the sensitivity. And the game allows for separare sensitivity settings for docked/tabletop and handheld
Also today I had to play dockless in my gf's place and what I did was play in tabletop mode with my pro controller. That's not always an option of course
AlexFlame116
Member
As someone who's played both, I can tell you that you're wrong. But that's my opinion.
DarknessTear
Banned
Do people use motion controls with the Switch Pro Controller? I've tried and it just feels awful. But so does right stick aiming.