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What is going on with the Wicked press tour?

DeafTourette

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>10% of women in the US are taking antianxiety medications
>17% are taking antidepressants
>20% are on some form of prescription medication for their mental health
>12% are in counseling or therapy

Higher stats than any other country. What's the root cause? Take your pick. Social media pressure, overprescription of medications (each with significant psychological side effects), cultural emphasis on career at the expense of family, radical ideologies, hookup/situationship culture, recreational drug use, etc.


Sexual assault, molestation, harassment, death in the family/death of a friend, horrific accident, near death experience, etc can also cause depression and anxiety and other mental health concerns, including suicidal ideations and drug abuse.

Women go through serious stuff too.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Sexual assault, molestation, harassment, death in the family/death of a friend, horrific accident, near death experience, etc can also cause depression and anxiety and other mental health concerns, including suicidal ideations and drug abuse.

Women go through serious stuff too.
None of those explain the disparities in mental health outcomes for American women vs women of every other country on the planet, unless you think American women somehow disproportionately experience rape, death of family members, and accidents.
 

DeafTourette

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None of those explain the disparities in mental health outcomes for American women vs women of every other country on the planet, unless you think American women somehow disproportionately experience rape, death of family members, and accidents.

In the US, I think incidents of sexual assault is higher than high income countries (like those in Europe) just as spousal abuse is higher here as well. I just looked it up.

I'm just saying women have more reason than men to have anxiety and, thus, be on antianxiety medications because of what they tend to more likely go through. Almost every woman I know has had some type of sexual or other assault happen.
 

EviLore

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In the US, I think incidents of sexual assault is higher than high income countries (like those in Europe) just as spousal abuse is higher here as well. I just looked it up.

I'm just saying women have more reason than men to have anxiety and, thus, be on antianxiety medications because of what they tend to more likely go through. Almost every woman I know has had some type of sexual or other assault happen.
Women have higher anxiety levels than men, yes. This is a natural result of hormonal and physiological differences, and can be attributed to environmental factors as well, sure. But the data doesn’t reflect your argument. We’re at all time highs for anxiety and depression for girls. This isn’t due to suddenly all girls being victimized by men when they weren’t before. There is a massive increase in mental health problems in girls since the rise of social media, among other things. Culture and day to day life has dramatically changed over the past decade.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Women have higher anxiety levels than men, yes. This is a natural result of hormonal and physiological differences, and can be attributed to environmental factors as well, sure. But the data doesn’t reflect your argument. We’re at all time highs for anxiety and depression for girls. This isn’t due to suddenly all girls being victimized by men when they weren’t before. There is a massive increase in mental health problems in girls since the rise of social media, among other things. Culture and day to day life has massively changed over the past decade.

I realize that. It's just that your initial post on this made it seem like the ONLY thing causing this mental health crisis is social media and celeb culture.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
>10% of women in the US are taking antianxiety medications
>17% are taking antidepressants
>20% are on some form of prescription medication for their mental health
>12% are in counseling or therapy

Higher stats than any other country. What's the root cause? Take your pick. Social media pressure, overprescription of medications (each with significant psychological side effects), cultural emphasis on career at the expense of family, radical ideologies, hookup/situationship culture, recreational drug use, etc.
Weird people to begin with amped up on drugs (meds and illegal), and a country overzealous on docs, pharmacists and drug companies dishing out meds every 5 seconds.

Put it this way. Every rich country can match the US with the same thing if they really wanted to. Other rich countries have people with money, drug plan benefits, and drug stores on every corner too. But you got lower rates in other countries probably because the avg person isnt crazy gulping pills and docs prescribing a person 8 different drugs to take.

My buddy's dad used to be a pharmacist and he'd get payouts from pharma companies if his shelf got stocked with enough drugs from that company. So pharma reps would check the cabinets. He told me as he worked at the store too. And I'm confident (no proof though as he never said this part) that his dad probably got booster payouts the more drugs he dished out (escalator deal). And doctors around town probably had deals too. It's supposed to be illegal I think in the drug industry, but no doubt under the table deals still happen.

People think docs and pharmacists are all squeaky clean ethical people. Not true at all. Many drug stores are owned by the pharmacist. He controls what drugs he carries (branded or generic) and how much they educate users. Most of the time I get some meds I just get it in a bag and pay. Zero person tells me about the drugs, how to use it, how many pills to take etc.... it's up to me to read the bottle. Most addicts probably dont even read the directions and just eat it how they want and get addicted. It's like eating vitamins. The bottle might say 1 tablet per day. I bet tons of people just eat a bunch at once not caring. But with vitamins I dont think you can overdose and get ill. It probably just flushes out your system being a waste of money you ate them too fast.
 
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What you are seeing is the desperate gasp of a world that has slowly unraveled over the last few years and has culminated with the absolute fakery of an industry closely tied in with larger parts of the political and socioeconomic landscape. You will see even more of this in the next year, some people will jump ship and distance themselves from it while others will double down and you are going to see some of the cringiest things imaginable. I expect for others, desperate attempts will be made.
 
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Jenov

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They’re turning into the Capitol people in the Hunger Games. Just completely out of touch and disconnected from the poors outside of their rich, elite little gender bubbles. It’s pretty bizarre to watch.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I ask this as a concerned father of a teenage girl....what is going on with women right now? Why are they all so randomly sad and affected in ways that even they do not understand by events they cannot control? I try to stay informed but disconnected, if that makes sense, as I believe that one will be miserable if they connect themselves emotionally to causes that they can't affect, but women just seem an absolute mess right now, emotionally speaking, and I genuinely wonder why. My daughter is actually pretty mentally healthy in this pool of nonsense, and she has every excuse to be a mess because she's a teenager girl, so what is going on here?
We put them on a pedestal then made it a crime to criticize feminine bullshit in any way. We treated an entire generation of women like children, coddled them repeatedly, and never said no. This is the end result.

No one told these two women they appear crazy. So they kept falling down that rabbit hole and now their behavior no longer resembles human behavior.
 

CGNoire

Member
Are you sincerely assuming that they've not being influenced in a very early sinister and relative 'easy' (external influences) way and hence behave via a programmed trauma based subconsciously coding script that may be broken? No disrespect meant whatsoever CGNOIRE.
No worries. Yes my assumuntion is these types will purposely mimic and mime any social or physical reaction they identify as advantageous in convincing there peers that they too can pass all the mandatory purity tests of there new found religion. This showing off of extremely performative empathy is just one of many mile markers on there current Pilgrimage.
 
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Kraz

Member
I hadn't heard the term holding space before.
There appears to be two ways of defining it, a popular and a therapeutic definition.
To me, it means to be in the moment,” says Gilchrist, who was working for Out magazine. “To be fully open to something and to not be cynical. To hear something – maybe a song like Defying Gravity that you have heard hundreds of times – and to have it hit you in a new way.” So just sort of … being there? “If it was a few years ago, I might have said ‘people are feeling seen’,” she says. “You can feel seen by a work of art, or a song, or another person, so I think it can be very similar.”

Heather Plett, a Canadian writer and coach who runs a workshop on holding space on Vancouver Island, says it’s a concept that she has been workshopping for 15 years. “The way I define it is that it’s a practise that we do when we show up for another person in support of whatever they’re going through. We do that without judgment, or without trying to layer our own story on to theirs, and we offer them compassion and support while allowing them to have their own sovereignty.”
 

Kraz

Member
No worries. Yes my assumuntion is these types will purposely mimic and mime any social or physical reaction they identify as advantageous in convincing there peers that they too can pass all the mandatory purity tests of there new found religion. This showing off of extremely performative empathy is just one of many mile markers on there current Pilgrimage.
What religion?
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I hadn't heard the term holding space before.
There appears to be two ways of defining it, a popular and a therapeutic definition.

I like that. Feeling seen or showing up for someone = holding space.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes


Time to abandon all social norms!

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This was in my local theater. I was shocked to see it so took a picture and asked the patron if this is really a thing. He said something to the effect of yes people have lost their minds. Then he pointed me to the doors where they had posted the same warning on each screen this movie was playing on.
 
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jason10mm

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This was in my local theater. I was shocked to see it so took a picture and asked the patron if this is really a thing. He said something to the effect of yes people have lost their minds. Then he pointed me to the doors where they had posted the same warning on each screen this movie was playing on.
OF COURSE they don't want you to sing THIS TIME around, they are gonna try to get you again for the "Sing a long" screening in a month.

It makes perfect sense, keep the failed theater majors from annoying everyone else, and then get a little second wind before it hits streaming. They've done this with other musicals, this should be the understood norm for how this works.
 

Kraz

Member
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This was in my local theater. I was shocked to see it so took a picture and asked the patron if this is really a thing. He said something to the effect of yes people have lost their minds. Then he pointed me to the doors where they had posted the same warning on each screen this movie was playing on.
Wonder if that's how theaters and squares felt about the emergence of audience interaction with The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I remember there being screenings without the sing-along elements.
 
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Tams

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This was in my local theater. I was shocked to see it so took a picture and asked the patron if this is really a thing. He said something to the effect of yes people have lost their minds. Then he pointed me to the doors where they had posted the same warning on each screen this movie was playing on.

Other than the odd, rare, sensible chuckle, noise makers in cinemas should be taken out the back and shot.
 
In the US, I think incidents of sexual assault is higher than high income countries (like those in Europe) just as spousal abuse is higher here as well. I just looked it up.

I'm just saying women have more reason than men to have anxiety and, thus, be on antianxiety medications because of what they tend to more likely go through. Almost every woman I know has had some type of sexual or other assault happen.
Men are more likely to get shot, stabbed, die in a war, be street homeless, get murdered, be in prison, have poor education or have no friends than women.

Yes, there are ways in which women have it worse but there are also ways in which men have it worse.

Women suffer from anxiety more than men in every society. It appears to be a natural disposition of thiers. Just like men are more likely to be autistic, have ADHD or antisocial personality disorder.
 
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Kraz

Member
I like that. Feeling seen or showing up for someone = holding space.
That may be what they're amplifying during those short clips. I haven't watched any full interviews to know if the clips reflect the whole.

In this short interview they seem self-aware as performers of the emotional bit at the start:
Everything is fake, this is all a lie :messenger_musical:
Ariana not sharing her paranormal experiences made me curious about it. Especially the materialization. Hope she does eventually.
 
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Jinxed

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There is a massive increase in mental health problems in girls since the rise of social media, among other things.
This. This and this.

My daughter turned 14 and shit started to hit the fan, she started to suffer a lot from anxiety and went to the point of having anxiety attacks to the point of taking it out on me. I've cut pretty much all of the phone and social media time and she's starting to get back to how she was before.

Fuck social media for teenagers and young women.
 

Jinxed

Member
Not at the same rate as women do. I never said men can't experience them .. but the post is about women being diagnosed with anxiety and depression at high rates and I have other causes as to why instead of JUST social media and celeb worship

I'm glad to know family deaths happen more often in strictly women families. That's just one example. Go back and edit, there's still time, you're being ridiculous.
 
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Jinxed

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You knew what I meant.

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And you know what I mean. These happen to boys as much as girls.

The only difference between young girls and boys is social media. They don't use it for the same reasons. Young boys tend to use them for their hobbies, especially gaming etc.. Girls on the other hand use it to worship influencers who push beauty and mental illness.

We don't need a fucking study to understand the dangerous effect it has on them.
 
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Jenov

Member
This. This and this.

My daughter turned 14 and shit started to hit the fan, she started to suffer a lot from anxiety and went to the point of having anxiety attacks to the point of taking it out on me. I've cut pretty much all of the phone and social media time and she's starting to get back to how she was before.

Fuck social media for teenagers and young women.
There’s been internal studies done by Meta on how harmful stuff like Instagram and social media is on girls and young women in particular. It’s damning. But Meta didn’t give a shit and is now getting sued by multiple states:


This sort of stuff hurts boys too, probably more from access to the most depraved porn at early ages, but body image issues happen in boys too. Conclusion: Keep your kids far, far away from any social media and watch their internet usage.
 
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DeafTourette

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And you know what I mean. These happen to boys as much as girls.

The only difference between young girls and boys is social media. They don't use it for the same reasons. Young boys tend to use them for their hobbies, especially gaming etc.. Girls on the other hand use it to worship influencers who push beauty and mental illness.

We don't need a fucking study to understand the dangerous effect it has on them.

Sexual assault/harassment/molestation and stalking happen to girls/women far more than it does to boys/men (look up the statistics). Women are also more likely to become widows/lose a partner than men are (again, stats don't lie).

Death of family members, accidents and whatnot OBVIOUSLY happen to everyone... But there are 3 million more women than men in the US so statistically hey experience it more because there's more of them and we men are risky AF (more likely to do relatively dangerous sports or activities and our health is generally poorer)...

I'm not trying to "poo poo" men or anything... We go through a lot too. But THIS thread was about girls and women and mental health (or at least it was for part of it as it's actually about the Wicked Press Tour). Not comparing males to females and who has it worse.
 

Jinxed

Member
There’s been internal studies done by Meta on how harmful stuff like Instagram and social media is on girls and young women in particular. It’s damning. But Meta didn’t give a shit and is now getting sued by multiple states:

My internal study was when my daughter went through an anxiety attack because I said no when asked to buy a shitty product from Sephora she just saw some influencer use on youtube. She was never spoiled, never experienced these things up until she started watching this. It actually changed her, she was becoming someone else, having anxiety in the morning on how to dress for school, spending an hour on her hair and stupid products etc..

Fuck that cesspool, it's now gone from our household.
 
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