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[GametimeUK]

Whatever they ask as long as my PC is more powerful than my friends consoles because that's what gives my opinion more credibility during gaming debates.

 

[dgrdsv]

It's not that far off

"Rasterization" should not matter to anyone buying a new GPU in the year 2025.
Once you go into RT territory it deteriorates quickly with the RT workload increase and often ends up being at 5070 level instead of 5070 Ti.
The price AMD has set on these cards reflect their own expectation on how people will be comparing them to the competition. 9070 XT being in between 5070 and 5070 Ti in price is a rather perfect illustration of its relative perf/features positioning.
In other words, there is no "Nvidia tax" in this comparison. Those who buy a more expensive Nvidia card get more performance and features out of that. Whether these matter to you personally is a completely different question.

They are direct competitors.

Are they?

See above about why AMD has priced them as they did - for a nice change from previous two generations where they basically thought that no one cares about RT for some reason.
The cards are competitive precisely because they come with a discount in comparison to Nvidia this time. Thank god that AMD has figured this one out on a third approach.

 

[metareferential]

I mean, if you're upgrading now it means you were on the lower end of the 30series (or older). The problem most likely is ram (still locked to 8/10gb).

So you're looking at 5070ti/9070xt. They're the only two "good value" cards.

The best buy would still be a used 40series. But stock has fucked used prices too.

 

[pudel]

My 4090 is still pretty fine. Not even sure if I would want/need to upgrade to a 60xx gen. And by the time a 70xx gen is out I will have a look around and when the situation is still as ridiculous as right now....I will definitely consider an AMD card....yep. But thats a long time to go. Just feel sorry for everyone who is looking currently for a new rig/video card.

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Prices change frequently in my country. In the first 1-3 days after launch, the RX 9070XT was only $100 cheaper than the 5070ti, but the prices of the 9700XT have dropped and the difference is now $175. For me personally, the DLSS package alone (DLSS SR, RR, DLDSR, FG) is well worth the $175 price difference.

AMD improved FSR image reconstruction, but FSR FG is still unusable due to judder (motion isnt smooth) and input latency (aiming with the mouse has a weighty feel even at high base fps). DLSS FG offers perfectly smooth motion and extremely low input lag (I measured just 1-4ms in Cyberpunk with the latest DLL). It's easy to forget that I'm playing with frame gen, that's how good nvidia FG is. Being able to boost framerate 2x times while still having perfectly responsive experience helps imensly in the most demanding games.

The 9070XT is competitive in raster, and has much better RT performance even compared to the XTX, but the RTX5070ti still has an upper hand in RT games, and especially PT. Those who opt for the 5070ti will be paying $175 more for a better product with more features, which will certainly extend the life of the GPU.

21fps 9070XT vs 166fps 5070ti

 

[Black_Stride]

Are they?

See above about why AMD has priced them as they did - for a nice change from previous two generations where they basically thought that no one cares about RT for some reason.
The cards are competitive precisely because they come with a discount in comparison to Nvidia this time. Thank god that AMD has figured this one out on a third approach.

Yes they are.
It wins some it loses some but on average they are in the same class power wise.
Price wise the 9070XT wins outright.
Games with excessive RT it loses, no one is denying that, but as I said on average because no one ONLY plays heavy RT games and most games arent RT heavy, they are ~5% apart at 1440p.

With Unreal Engine being the most popular engine going forward they are basically the same so yes they are direct competitors:

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Depends on how superior they are, right now it seems like amd is catching up with fsr4 so i would not pay a huge tax.

This.

NVIDIA drivers have been garbage as of late too.

 

[calistan]

I paid £1800 over the retail price for my 5090 which is £1940

totally worth it. this card is amazing. trying to get a 9950X3D to let the 5090 go even further

That's $4,853 (US) for a graphics card.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Yes they are.
It wins some it loses some but on average they are in the same class power wise.
Price wise the 9070XT wins outright.
Games with excessive RT it loses, no one is denying that, but as I said on average because no one ONLY plays heavy RT games and most games arent RT heavy, they are ~5% apart at 1440p.

With Unreal Engine being the most popular engine going forward they are basically the same so yes they are direct competitors:

Lumen does not use RT cores. That's why the 9070XT is so competitive. The same game, but with hardware RT.

 

[lachesis]

Nothing above MSRP. The MSRP is basically the maximum for me.

 

[mrMUR_96]

Why would I pay extra? AMD have pretty much caught up in RT performance and FSR4 is great.

 

[kiphalfton]

Moore's Law Is Dead dropped a truth bomb a while ago:

People want "competition" against Nvidia not because they want to buy AMD or Intel, but because they want to buy Nvidia at a lower price.

Jensen has everyone by the balls.

You're giving MLID too much credit; he's a chump and just parroting what everybody has been saying for the past however many years.

 

[AngelMuffin]

 

[CrustyBritches]

Nvidia: imaginary MSRP, imaginary performance, and imaginary stock.

They completely abandoned the customer base that built up their company for decades. They also managed to make AMD products like 9070-series and PS5 Pro look like world beaters.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I'd pay double the value before I would go without. Wouldn't get AMD gpu, but their cpu is great.

 

[dDoc]

With AMD closing the gap, and maybe Intel starts getting real competitive, and Nvidia being greedy cunts....zero.

 

[FMX]

NADA!! I am not a sucker!!

 

[xenosys]

Hypothetically, If both the AMD and Nvidia GPU offer similar raster and RT performance, and the same amount of VRAM, probably an extra 50 bucks for the upscaler quality and multi-FG advantages.

 

[John Wick]

That's $4,853 (US) for a graphics card.

Don't worry about it. PC gamers enjoy paying more to Nvidia. Ever since the GTX 970 I've never managed to keep a Nvidia GPU. Every time I bought one I managed to sell it without even trying. I've felt guilty selling them for far more than I bought them for. But not anymore as I've come to the realisation PC gamers perversely enjoy paying Nvidia's excessive prices. Otherwise they'd stop buying them to send a message to Nvidia. I've managed to get a 2080TI quite cheap 2nd hand for my needs. But selling those cards has basically paid for my consoles and subs and my 2080ti.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Maybe 10-15% for equivalent performance. Moot point until they offer equivalent performance, of course.

 

[Knightime_X]

Imagine if they did this shit with consoles.
Oh, nintendo switch 2 selling well? lets bump it up to $1,000.
Fuck all this non-msrp bs.

 

[Fess]

If AMD have better stuff out I’ll buy that without thinking twice just like how I did when moving from Intel to AMD on CPUs.

Currently AMD is competitive on pricing and sometimes raster but not ray-tracing.
So, not yet. I pay the Nvidia tax I need to pay until there are alternatives.

Availability is a bigger problem. Money can be acquired by planning ahead 2-3 years and save up and invest in the stock market. But if I can’t buy something because it’s not available then I’m locked out in the cold with no solution.

 

[Three]

21fps 9070XT vs 166fps 5070ti

Comparing fps with multi framegen on with one and off with the other is pretty silly no? Why are they using FSR3 anyway?

 

[Fess]

21fps 9070XT vs 166fps 5070ti

How is 13.9GB VRAM usage and 166fps possible with maximum settings and full path-tracing on a 5070ti when I climbed over 16GB on a 4080 Super and ended up with 10-20fps or lower?

1080p?
A patch has lowered memory consumption?

 

[dgrdsv]

With Unreal Engine being the most popular engine going forward they are basically the same so yes they are direct competitors:

This isn't true at all.
Even in TPU's results you will find UE5 games where 9070 XT underperform w/o any HWRT in use (Stalker 2 for example or Silent Hill 2).
And once you turn HWRT on you get this:

No matter how you want them to be "direct competitors" the fact are they are not, 9070 XT is slower even w/o RT on average and w/RT it just falls off a cliff.
The price AMD has set on these cards is a solid choice based on how they perform against Nvidia's new parts.
And the two months delay AMD took after the announcement of 50 series was to lower the originally planned price so you can thank Nvidia for that.

 

[Hudo]

Fuck all

This is the only correct answer.

Realistically, I would pay $180 at most for a 5060 card. I would pay $950 at most for a 5090 card. Everything else needs to fall inbetween. Charging >=$1000 for a fucking consumer card is just Nvidia being greedy dipshits.