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[Fake]

As soon as I see DEI I cut any information, ignore some threads and the games in question.

Quite simple. I don't give a shit about this stuff, if people want to support fine, but don't force others people to do so.

 

[SHAKEZ]

If the game has DEI stuff in it, it usually means it plays like shit, RARELY a game has gender ideologue and is also good, then I'll give it a spin.

 

[Kacho]

Well I hope "woke shit" in you guys' minds just sticks to pronouns, because when it starts becoming "black lead? WOKE" then this basically becoming...bad. and seems like it's a fight to keep things...idk...white? More so than it is anything ethical.

Goal is to make it to where anyone can be a lead and it doesn't matter, this all seems like an attempt to go the opposite direction. Because only one demographic is never called woke. Not a good look.

Sounds like you're just worrying about this in the opposite direction which makes more sense.

 

[daninthemix]

I head straight for the Ignore button.

Oh who am I kidding? I'm too lazy for that.

 

[Branded]

So GAF, before you've seen gameplay but you're seeing a storm around a game because of pronouns, some dev saying stupid shit on twitter or entire swathes of customer insulted ad hominem, what's your gut reaction?

Don't buy.

Like I said in the other thread, I don't care if creators have different (political) views than mine. What I do care about is just this brazen activist nonsense that's doing the rounds now. I'm not supporting that shit.

 

[Atrus]

Unless there’s a blatant activist angle it doesn’t bother me since they’re additions that don’t impact the game. Ie. character create options or the bartender in cyberpunk 2077.

It can start to annoy all the way to becoming a turnoff if it’s clearly trying to beat the politics into your face.

The losers who whine about things being dei just because a female character exists or that someone is gay or transgender annoy me just as much since it’s counter-activist nonsense.

In short, stop whining like little children if you’re not one.

 

[Danjin44]

I dont care about any of this culture war nonsense, I either like the game or I dont.

Even games like Dragon Age Veilguard didn't have any "woke" stuff on it, I still wouldn't buy it because never liked BioWare games or any WRPG for that matter.

 

[LordOfChaos]

It's noise until it comes out and people can review it. I feel like more than half the time people say something is woke or DEI, it's just because they've seen a black person/person of colour either as a character or creating the game, which doesn't actually mean either of those things.

 

[Zannegan]

It just makes me suspicious when it comes from a big corpo. The "modern audience" seems to be a crutch they lean on when other areas of a production are lacking, or maybe it's just one of the things that tends to be highlighted in a design-by-committee product.

It's similar to the suspicion I feel when a traditionally singleplayer franchise starts incorporating GaaS trappings. Is this really allowing you to take "all the things we love about X" in an exciting new direction, or is the gameplay about to take a back seat so that you can go whale hunting with rare skins?

 

[T-0800]

I watched Aliens for the first time in years this week and I couldn't help but think if that movie were released today half this forum would call it woke.

 

[Zathalus]

Indifferent as to what it means about the quality of the game. Mild annoyance as another outrage farm begins and everyone just laps that shit up.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

Indifference mostly. I'll be more skeptical of the quality. I think if your focus is DEI, you're not creative, you're not taking risks, you're scared of offending. Which can and often does reflect in the writing and game design decisions in a negative way.

But I'm open to certain "woke" things as long as they don't negatively impact the game. Pronouns don't matter one way or another. It's when you include a self righteous lecture on misgendering into your game where I have a problem. It's when you have an absolutely annoying piece of a shit angsty cringe character who you HAVE to support because they're a Mary Sue self insert protected class of people that I have a problem with.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

It really does suck what's happening in the entertainment industry but especially with video games and tabletop role-playing games.

I can't think of any Western role-playing game that isn't infected with this stuff except maybe Warhammer and Das Schwarze Auge (The Dark Eye) and that's about it off the top of my head.

 

[Trilobit]

It's sort of like going on a first date with someone who is very good-looking, but has a rancid body odour. It doesn't matter how they look or what kind of person they are. You just move on because you can't deal with that smell. The person also vehemently refuses to shower and starts name-calling you when you bring it to their attention.

 

[Verchod]

This Avowed shit is just a storm in a teacup. In fact, it's not even that. It's just gamers bitching about things they don't like. If the game has stuff in it you don't like, don't buy it. You don't have to, and the developer doesn't have to make it to suit you.
A developer should make the game they want to make, and if people want to buy it, they buy it.

To be honest, one of the things that annoys me is when you get gamers going on about games that are supposedly downgraded from original footage to the release version. That's the kind of fake outrage that boils my piss.

 

[EDMIX]

Nah I don't care lol

Is the game fucking good? Is it fun?

Thats it.

Anyone from either side using their feelings on something outside of the actual game to talk about the game automatically has me ignore 99% of what they are saying about the game. When you spend 70 pages on a thread crying about a game you don't like based on some ideology, the idea of an objective, honest opinion has been thrown completely out the window.

I find it even funnier when those same people really think we give a fuck about their opinion on a game after, when its like....you really can't spend that many pages on a thread talking about this shit, for me or anyone here to really believe your opinion on a game in terms of its gameplay, is just and honest.


When ever this surrounds a game regardless of side, I always have a high level of doubt on any news article and must look it over with other sources to even verify if its even anything at all.

Same clowns trying to make Hogwarts bad talking about magical spells happen to "magically" never talk about this shit several games prior

Same clowns trying to make AC Shadows look bad, happen to have zero comments in any AC thread talking about monsters, aliens or the fucking Pope with power to have anyone believe their real issue is um "history", no one is really buying this fucking shit regarding this culture war crap, many us see right thru it when someone is questioning a person in a game, that they happen to never fucking even talking about that was in SEVERAL OTHER FUCKING GAMES, but because its a culture war flavor of the month, they must pretend they are SHOCKED and this is unprecedented (series of tic toc noises) lol

 

[Codeblew]

I have saved so much money this gen thanks to a wait and see approach.
This is the last stance publishers and devs want their audience to take but they pushed their ideology over business sense and I don’t reward that blindly.

It's always wise to wait a few days after release to buy a game to make sure you're not wasting your money. For a lot of games, I wait a good year to get a fully patched game and at a very good discount.

Nothing like radical right thinkers (masquerading as the common man) pretending to be so concerned about radical left thinkers.

Spoiler alert guys, if pronouns or inclusion bothers you, you're not in the middle. A shocking number of gamers these days are just the mirror image of the thing they hate.

Team indifference for me, brothers.

Yeah 58% of us are radical right. I don't think you know what that means.

 

[IAmRei]

I watched Aliens for the first time in years this week and I couldn't help but think if that movie were released today half this forum would call it woke.

It won't be, because ripley character is badass and pretty natural at the same time. Same with Samus, Nier, eve, jill, and lot of games or movies. You can clearly see, which one that using mary sue, which one is written at best. As clearly as salt or sweet.

 

[IAmRei]

Nothing like radical right thinkers (masquerading as the common man) pretending to be so concerned about radical left thinkers.

Spoiler alert guys, if pronouns or inclusion bothers you, you're not in the middle. A shocking number of gamers these days are just the mirror image of the thing they hate.

Team indifference for me, brothers.

Why neutral if the fundamental is in one side? It's natural to choose as basic as fundamental

 

[mrqs]

I watched Aliens for the first time in years this week and I couldn't help but think if that movie were released today half this forum would call it woke.

Absolutely.

Anyone who gets THAT annoyed by something that might appear as ‘DEI’, doesn’t have an issue with video games.

They’re likely dealing with a much bigger problem in their life.

 

[theHFIC]

i say “people really care that much about this shit in a video game?” laugh at how sad it is and go about my day.

 

[Jaybe]

I sold my PS5 after the Concord showcase debacle. It was ridiculous that was what they were investing $200 million+ into. Sony’s silence on any big first party games at the time made it an easy decision.

 

[Aces High]

I watched Aliens for the first time in years this week and I couldn't help but think if that movie were released today half this forum would call it woke.

Because you don't get the nuance.

Alien is in fact a perfect example how to do it correctly.

Ripley's gender is not emphasized as a defining trait.

She just happens to survive because she is brave snd resourceful, and not because she is a Mary Sue in a male-dominated world.

Every political commentary like gender dynamics or corpo exploitation in Alien is organically embedded in the story. It's a logical consequence of the world.

So the writers actually sat down and did the work. It's done with skill.

In woke media, characters are written as vehicles for social messages first and then they are dropped in whatever scenario necessary. It's propaganda and it's done with so little skill that people can easily see through it. Star Wars, LotR, Marvel, doesn't matter. Ever heard of a concept called 'Suspension of Disbelief'? Nope because I'm a fucking DEI hire.

So it's not about being against progressive ideas. It's about craftsmsnship.

 

[Trogdor1123]

It depends on what it is really. I think some of the complaints are pretty weak sometimes, searching for things to complain about, but others are very valid.

I’m not opposed to diversity in games at all, I think it’s a good inclusion (no pun intended). It adds to the world.

However, the second a studio’s staff attacks the fan base, I’m out. I don’t care why they do it, it’s not ok. You should welcome criticism (that is constructive, and ignore the rest), not bury your head in the sand when it comes your way.

 

[MiguelItUp]

It really depends. I care about the presentation + gameplay more than anything else.

I really couldn't careless about controversy when it's a game I'm interested in. That being said, I don't think there's ever been a game that has genuinely interested me that was "controversial". That's also not because of the "controversy" either, it just didn't interest me from the get-go.

If a game feels genuine and like it was made with some kind of confidence and passion. I naturally flock to it. I feel like it's pretty easy to tell when games aren't that. Or when that isn't the most important parts when they really should be.

In the end, if it's a game I was interested in, I'm down. If not, I'm not. If that's before finding out there's "controversy", it won't affect anything for me if the game still looks good or worth checking out in my eyes.

 

[T-0800]

Because you don't get the nuance.

Oh I get it. Half the people here would still complain though.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Anything that interrupts my ability to escape culture war bullshit is an instant turnoff. I use games to escape reality and crash.

However, the wokeness only interrupts my escapism when it feels preachy or overly in your face. Unfortunately, virtue signaling and preachiness has overruled the skillful use of subtlety in art in too many games.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Nah I don't care lol

Is the game fucking good? Is it fun?

Thats it.

Anyone from either side using their feelings on something outside of the actual game to talk about the game automatically has me ignore 99% of what they are saying about the game. When you spend 70 pages on a thread crying about a game you don't like based on some ideology, the idea of an objective, honest opinion has been thrown completely out the window.

I find it even funnier when those same people really think we give a fuck about their opinion on a game after, when its like....you really can't spend that many pages on a thread talking about this shit, for me or anyone here to really believe your opinion on a game in terms of its gameplay, is just and honest.


When ever this surrounds a game regardless of side, I always have a high level of doubt on any news article and must look it over with other sources to even verify if its even anything at all.

Same clowns trying to make Hogwarts bad talking about magical spells happen to "magically" never talk about this shit several games prior

Same clowns trying to make AC Shadows look bad, happen to have zero comments in any AC thread talking about monsters, aliens or the fucking Pope with power to have anyone believe their real issue is um "history", no one is really buying this fucking shit regarding this culture war crap, many us see right thru it when someone is questioning a person in a game, that they happen to never fucking even talking about that was in SEVERAL OTHER FUCKING GAMES, but because its a culture war flavor of the month, they must pretend they are SHOCKED and this is unprecedented (series of tic toc noises) lol

There appears to be an inverse correlation between how much DEI/woke nonsense is included in the game and the quality of the game.