The Technomancer
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I did find the inxplicably long showgirl scene in The Great Mouse Detective a bit uncomfortable when I rewatched it last week. I was just like "...why is this three minutes long?"
Where does hatred of furries/furry fandom stem from?
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Human bodies are sexually attractive. When you have a human body with animal traits the same can still apply.
blame space
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Why am I so dumb?
Karsticles
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I agree entirely that people can find human bodies with animal traits sexually attractive.
I did not. Why did you change that?
I never saw the second picture before, but the first one has a vague familiarity to it.
Goofy's friend Mickey also keeps Pluto, a dog just like Goofy, as a pet while Goofy goes free and does nothing for his own kind. I find this much more disturbing.
robotzombie
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No, Goofy is an imaginary character that only exists whenever he is drawn. As is the person that we are simply told is his son. When the tv show is over, Goofy doesn't go and continue on with his life.
Devolution
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That's why I'm saying that just using one as an av doesn't dictate a fetish or preference.
Partial Gamification
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I'm just sketching bits the human condition, not limited to one group in particular. There are sharks in courtrooms, whales in venture captalist firms, sheep as masses...
I know little about these groups and am not trying to make claims about them, but rather I am pondering why we do what we do, and how the whole furry-thing ties into the bigger picture.
So if it is a broad brush, it is directed at humanity and not some subset of it.
moniker
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Didn't know gay people were sterile.
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So let's just hypothetically say they do actually have avatars up because they jerk off to that picture everyday. Why should we assume such things and why does it matter? Why do we have to get so easily offended and uptight about such things? I can't even get how it's borderline bestiality when such anthromorphology is involved with most of these creations. Even the damn ponies act and behave like humans.
TMNT hit me at a very vulnerable period in my early childhood.
It doomed me for life.
Messofanego
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Gaming forums got hit with this when Dust An Elysian Tail came out. Some good debate about insecurity, hypocrisy, adult "rule 34" eyes to cartoons we love as a kid. Let not the art style deter you from one of the best Games of the Year.
But being an awesome Metroidvania with deep and amazing-looking combat equivalent to a mix of Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, heartfelt story and characters, and with lots of cool easter eggs are.
In general, probably. After all, it's the human traits of the animal character that lends itself to sexualization (by a human). The characters on My Little Pony are speaking english and have human personalities, they don't go around whinnying the entire time otherwise I highly doubt any attraction would develop. So it's really only because characters they identify with happen to be anthropomorphized, that the admiration has a chance to become sexual.
We aren't talking about bestiality, so I will maintain that the human aspect is necessary for the furry to be sexually engaged, not the animal aspect. Since the animal aspect alone isn't what they are attracted to. So perhaps with therapy their desires could be fulfilled without the latter present at all.
Devolution
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Karsticles is basically insinuating this as we speak.
Karsticles
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Woah, I never said anything like that. Finding something to be sexual =/= jerking off to it every day (or ever, even). I'm not being on answering the "why do we have to" question for human beings that aren't me - it's best to ask them yourself.
Luckily, I was watching Sailor Moon during that vulnerable period.TMNT hit me at a very vulnerable period in my early childhood.
It doomed me for life.
robotzombie
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If only it met those criteria...
Knowing someone DEEPLY into Real Doll fetishism, it seems a similar level of bile is directed at both groups; it's socially transgressive, and it involves the creation of side personalities to supplement ones own personality, which people find inherently disturbing. The main difference seems to be that the doll people are much more likely to be emotionally broken/fucked up people. Furries have the added spice of bestiality, whether they like it or not. Plus, sticking it in people's faces is asking for ridicule, and being shocked that it comes back at one is naive.
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My "jerking off" comment was a hyperbole, I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm also trying to argue why a furry avatar can be sexualized and harmless at the same time. The questions were generally referred to anyone bothered by such a phenomenon.
Devolution
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Guess deep means in a relationship with it.
Professor Beef
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so you're into under aged girls?
Karsticles
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I dig.
Real doll fetishists clothe their "wives", have conversations with them, clean them, provide full wardrobes for them, etc. They even take them out on dates if they are brave enough to confront the public with their lifestyle.
ROFL, where do you find all this stuff so quickly? I never saw that episode.
SM has curative powers, my good sir!
The guy at 1:29 is the one I saw an episode about.
Not so. I clearly differentiated between two kinds of avatars earlier on.
Devolution
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2d54NRdJno
Yeah I gathered that much from the doc I linked but couldn't finish.
After all, five year old girls and twenty year old women are both fully human, but heterosexual men almost always go for the former.
How thoughtful of you.
whuh oh, that means those people with their own pictures in their avatars are so in love with themselves!
SM is a progressive show. It's feminist, highly non-heternormative despite being about the classic prince meets princess romance, and the first mainstream anime to portray a lesbian relationship in a fully positive light. One of the main directors of the show followed up with Revolutionary Girl Utena.
Tears For Fears
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Hardblush, I ain't even mad. Onta is a good artist, and I'm not even a fan of furry.
I'm not a furrie but TMNT may have been my earliest sexual attraction.
Yes, as in creating a personality and background history, etc. primarily due to a crippling fear of betrayal by real women, amongst other things. The perfect woman, made to his specs, that will never hurt him.
they're just naked green guys if you get right down to it.
I like that people are jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved in the furry fandom is automatically a total "lifer" and raving lunatic about it, when it's really just another thing to be an enthusiast about. Some people like superheroes, some people like Star Trek. Personally, I like giant robots and generic fantasy junk like Wheel of Time, and I don't see why internet torches and pitchforks come out when someone's interests happen to include anthropomorphic animals in a similar way.
Devolution
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That's just sad.
How thoughtful of you.
Im not saying people should be forced to change their ways through therapy, especially if theyre happy and not hurting anyone. But I also think that an average upbringing would have yielded completely average sexuality it a way that is in no way equatable with homosexuality.
Or love him. Becoming invested at the risk of being shattered is the story of life.
Gotta get down on something
Yesterday it was twilight
day before it was justin Beiber
Today it's furries
tomorrow it'll be my little pony again
Karsticles
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What in the show is feministic? It's been a long time since I've watched. I'm also pretty sure we never got the lesbianism part in the USA; they were just "good friends". The show was fairly normal when I watched it. Serena is a girl who only thinks about the mysterious Tuxedo Mask who shows up to save her and is a very heteronormal male, etc.
I don't think you can ascertain that much. For example, I can tell the following story, and it makes just as much sense:
An inability to possess any kind of love or desire for imperfection. The doll thus becomes attractive because it can always have the thoughts and opinions he wants it to, is always there for him, etc.
That is, perhaps real women aren't "good enough" for his standards, which are not well grounded in reality.
You know that guy who killed his child after being interrupted from his MMO session?
Gamers.
Do you have any data to support the theory that furries have had abnormal childhoods, or is that entirely speculation?
Devolution
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Probably just anecdotal. The two I knew lost their mothers at early ages and basically were raised by siblings but I don't think they're representative or anything.
Professor Beef
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They're not FULLY naked, though. They've got bandannas and belts and shit.
More to the point, he's conflating having desire and having it exclusively.
Karsticles
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The one furry I know grew up in an abusive home and is basically a permanently mentally crippled human being.
Keep in mind that I am not saying anything about furries in general, nor do I make conclusions from it. I actually think that people can be fully functional in society while being a furry.
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