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White House: "Fox News is not a news organization"
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The White House is sick of all the dumb shit Fox has been doing lately. Teabaggers, healthcare townhall yellers, 9/12 protests (did that go anywhere?), etc. They've all been started and pushed by Fox. And then other networks feel obliged to climb aboard and follow the story.
On the other hand, they're still a news channel. Sure, they do a bunch of dumb shit, but this reaction just doesn't feel right.
On the other hand, they're still a news channel. Sure, they do a bunch of dumb shit, but this reaction just doesn't feel right.
Yeah, it's pretty close. Bush was pointing a bit more to a specific case which makes it somewhat less egregious but bullshit all the same.Tamanon said:
I suppose it's somewhat refreshing that this White House is open in it's attempts to control the public discourse instead of working in the shadows. These comments make it pretty tough to maintain a "the Government isn't trying to steer information dissemination" defense.
I always prefer open sleaziness.
cartoon_soldier
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The guy who came up with
is an healthcare expert for them.
So yea, Fox News isn't a news organization.
When Fox News Lie about WH Proposals, what Obama is doing, about his plans, WH has to respond. And saying that Fox News is just opinion news and not real news is a legitimate response if you look at the lies they spread 24/7 on that channel.
The worst part about Fox News though is that other "real journalists" give them credibility by appearing on their shows.
is an healthcare expert for them.
So yea, Fox News isn't a news organization.
When Fox News Lie about WH Proposals, what Obama is doing, about his plans, WH has to respond. And saying that Fox News is just opinion news and not real news is a legitimate response if you look at the lies they spread 24/7 on that channel.
The worst part about Fox News though is that other "real journalists" give them credibility by appearing on their shows.
fortified_concept
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We already knew that.
typhonsentra
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Also from the White House: "Water is Wet"
WickedAngel
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Most of you are missing the point. It's not what the White House is saying that is important; it's that they're saying it at all.
Forceatowulf
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Anyone with half a mind knows foxnews is a bullshit organization. I'm glad the White House isn't going to sit on it's ass and let Fox get away with their bullshit hate mongering and propaganda, all the while pawning it off as "news" and "journalism".
As for the people claiming that this will only anger the right even more, so what? Those people were never going to be reasoned with anyway. No matter WHAT he did. So fuck 'em.
As for the people claiming that this will only anger the right even more, so what? Those people were never going to be reasoned with anyway. No matter WHAT he did. So fuck 'em.
typhonsentra
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I know I just posted something, but holy obscure references, Batman!beelzebozo said:
HE'S GOT A POINT THERE
I'm sorry, when you start organizing and promoting partisan rallies you stop being a news outlet.eznark said:
And please, it's hardly an overt campaign to discredit anyone.
Also, Fox News is a politically motivated organization, it has always been one and it's directed to be such from the very top.
It's no more news org than Air America and it should be treated as such.
Danne-Danger
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cartoon_soldier said:
permutated
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Forceatowulf said:
Wasn't this Bush's motivation for the IRAQ war?
DeathbyVolcano
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The WH tried to cooperate with them, but it was like talking to a brick wall. CNN, MSNBC, etc. have gotten equally fed up with Fox's dumb antics (remember that CNN guy fucking ragging on Fox for calling out CNN for "not covering the tea parties" when they very much DID cover them, jsut didn't PROMOTE them?). I say fuck them, and I'm alright with this stance.
speculawyer
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Are your First Amendment privileges revoked when you go the whitehouse?eznark said:
Bush going after MSNBC would have been just fine . . . except that he would have a much harder time finding pure bullshit in the volumes that Fox produces.
Just look at this shit . . . Fox blasted Obama in March because the Dow & Nasdaq were down . . . they called it the Obama depression. And now that the stock indexes are at year highs . . . well . .
The place is a total propaganda factory.
I don't agree with this and I don't like that the White House is saying this. Fox News is a joke organization yes... But I still don't like the White House saying this so blatantly. Anyone with common sense knows it already. This will just cause even more conspiracy theories that Obama is establishing some kind of totalitarian government where anyone who speaks against him will be silenced.
water_wendi
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This is a good idea. Get things straight from the horses mouth so to speak.deadbeef said:
People should oppose this out of precedent. Yes it's nice that Obama is riling up his fanbase, but what stops future administrations from doing this.eznark said:
However as long as people enter this issue with their usual "Obama is always right" mindset instead of as an issue of future journalistic integrity then what can you do.
typhonsentra
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The dude just suggested the idea of a tea party as an idea. They're the ones that organized and televised the "Revolution" with free concerts and shit (Hannity had some country stars I remember.).eznark said:
How could you deny they were behind it? Shit, they branded the fucking thing.
Not really. Too many Democrats fall victim to the idea they can pull aside the Fox News crowd and get their audience to listen to them, it doesn't work and it's not worth it. Legitimizing the network simply infects the other networks, nothing more.PSGames said:
1st of all, awesome you picked on the most minor point in my post and ignored everything else.eznark said:
But to your point, look at the video in context -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPzLMO6VQ3s
Does that look like a an effort to discredit anything?
Had the White House wanted to do that it could've run a fact checking campaign, boycott Fox or prevent access to them GWB style.
Singling out one organization is one thing, calling for the press as a whole to rise up and declare the same to all of it's readers/listeners/viewers is another. Both are fucked up, of course.Raxus said:
Chicikov, they do prevent access to FoxNews, just like Bush. And just like Bush, it's pathetic. Preferential treatment by elected officials to organizations/interviewers they know will spin for them is gross.
And I picked that comment because it was the most ludicrous, and I had to get your reasoning.
Forceatowulf
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Yeah this is totally the same situation and circumstances. *rolls eyes*permutated said:Wasn't this Bush's motivation for the IRAQ war?
Seriously.speculawyer said:Are your First Amendment privileges revoked when you go the whitehouse?
Bush going after MSNBC would have been just fine . . . except that he would have a much harder time finding pure bullshit in the volumes that Fox produces.
Just look at this shit . . . Fox blasted Obama in March because the Dow & Nasdaq were down . . . they called it the Obama depression. And now that the stock indexes are at year highs . . . well . .
The place is a total propaganda factory.
They complained about the obama recession literally days after he came into office, and I think they even started referring to what was going to be "the obama recession" once he got elected.
now that things are starting to turn around, it is the "bush recovery"
what the fuck
Haunted
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Pretty much!fortified_concept said:
Although I sometimes wonder whether the perception in the US is different from the one we get from the outside. Because it's pretty fucking clear as day that they pursue a pretty one-sided agenda with their "reporting" from here, but I see earnest discussion about their balance on a lot of US websites, treating them as if they weren't.
And I can't even blame "lol those stupid Americans" as I usually do, since my own country has a similar problem (the most popular "newspaper" pushing a clear agenda, slanting nearly all their
How many ppl pay attn to Air America? How many people know what it is? (I actually don't, which is why I'm asking.avatar299 said:
It's more of revealing the existing amount of integrity. They can't actually do anything to change the amount of integrity... unless they passed some laws or something.
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