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[Nuu]

Hey guys.. I haven't quite been under a rock, I have tons of other comments and questions and watched a bunch of gameplay videos and character reveals..


..but as a PS4/PC owner who for some reason still has not bought it for PC after being excited it was coming.. i have one single question.


If KI2 or KI2 Gold (N64) was a 10 on a 1-10 scale, use the weighted magazine 6-10 scale if you want...

how would KI3 rank? 8 or 9? 10 meaning same? or some fake number like 10+ or 11?

Much like Mortal Kombat prior to the modern Killer Instinct interation the series as a broken pile of poo poo not made for competitive play. Due to having input from pro fighting game players form the get go the new entry is competitive.and actually well made.

I admittedly haven't played KI2 or Gold, but from what I've heard about it it sounds like a 3/10. Killer Instinct 2013 would likely rank as an 8/10.

 

[Synth]

Hey guys.. I haven't quite been under a rock, I have tons of other comments and questions and watched a bunch of gameplay videos and character reveals..


..but as a PS4/PC owner who for some reason still has not bought it for PC after being excited it was coming.. i have one single question.


If KI2 or KI2 Gold (N64) was a 10 on a 1-10 scale, use the weighted magazine 6-10 scale if you want...

how would KI3 rank? 8 or 9? 10 meaning same? or some fake number like 10+ or 11?

The only way KI2 is a 10 on a 1-10 scale, is if we're counting backwards from 15. KI2013 would be like a 23 if KI2 were actually a 10.

 

[Gren]

Mortal Kombat XL is much closer to the people's champ after they fixed the net code issue. It's damn near flawless in single player and multiplayer offerings. Killer Instinct absolutely deserves some praise for offering a nearly equal package and one that didn't cost $59.99 from the get go.

Ultimately I don't understand why these topics have to boil down to which fighting game "wins." It's a niche genre that we are fortunate to have as many options available to us as we do right now. Trashing other fighting games because they aren't your favorite isn't doing the already small community any favors. It also turns off potential players who are influenced by people constantly beating the "x game sucks" drum who have probably never touched it.

Pretty much. But the OP calling it the "people's champ" in the title was bound to get others drawing comparisons.

 

[Warxard]

Hey guys.. I haven't quite been under a rock, I have tons of other comments and questions and watched a bunch of gameplay videos and character reveals..


..but as a PS4/PC owner who for some reason still has not bought it for PC after being excited it was coming.. i have one single question.


If KI2 or KI2 Gold (N64) was a 10 on a 1-10 scale, use the weighted magazine 6-10 scale if you want...

how would KI3 rank? 8 or 9? 10 meaning same? or some fake number like 10+ or 11?

10+. KI3 is way better than its previous titles. Best in the series.

Sure that's free. But you are being intellectually dishonest by trying to equate that pittance of a demo to what SFV offered @ $60.

I apologize though, please get back to your circle jerk.

At launch, for free KI Season 1 had.
1 rotating character.
Survival Mode.
Training.
Tutorial.
Local Play.
Exhibition.
Ranked.
3 sets of unlockable costume pieces for each character.

$60, SFV had.
16 characters.
Character story mode.
Survival mode.
Training.
Tutorial.
Local Play.
2P Battle lounge. (Unranked.)
Ranked.
Unlockable costume for each character.

...I mean...I love fighting games and I like to look at things objectively, so I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare a full retail title of a well respected series to a free to play option of a series well known for being kusoge but managed to get its shit together for the third game.

What's the 'pittance?' What am I missing here? Am I just not understanding something? Am I intellectually dishonest (whatever the fuck that means) or something?

Yeah! A fucking $60 ass $60 game has more content than a free to play ass free to play game. Sure. Hell yeah, I can admit that. I mean, you'd have to be 'intellectually dishonest' to not think that's the case.

I just don't understand where the dishonesty is, when the devs for the game since 2013 have been transparent about the game's pricing model. Is it...because the rest of the cast isn't free? Is it because you can't record opponent AI in training because you don't have the character purchased? Sure, yeah maybe those are sensible argumentative points and the second question raises some serious concerns regarding people getting into the game competitively but :

devs gotta eat, they can't just 'give' all the characters for free. If they did how would they make money? Not everyone can follow the DOTA model.

Please, inform me. Educate me. Tell me why KI's free model is dishonest.

 

[deadscreensky]

KI3 is an enormous upgrade from the original games, and I say that as somebody who actually enjoys the old ones. This is a legitimately great fighting game, it can go toe to toe with any of the traditional favorites.

It's probably not even in my personal top ten, I'm just saying it's in that league. It's really well made.

 

[toastyToast]

Sure that's free. But you are being intellectually dishonest by trying to equate that pittance of a demo to what SFV offered @ $60.

I apologize though, please get back to your circle jerk.

F2P by and large means you get access to a part of or all of the game and can pay for more content/conveniences. Not everything is DOTA 2

If say you like this weeks character, when they expire you can spend $5 and there you go, KI for $5. Alternatively you can mess around with the rotating roster

It's F2P not this game costs $0

 

[AuthenticM]

Who owns the rights to this franchise: Microsoft or Amazon?

 

[sangreal]

Who owns the rights to this franchise: Microsoft or Amazon?

Microsoft

Spoiler

and Fox

 

[RE_Player]

I don't really blame Capcom for what they did to SFV anymore I blame to diehard fans that endlessly defend an incomplete product.

 

[Warxard]

Who owns the rights to this franchise: Microsoft or Amazon?

Microsoft. Rare IP.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

We all know SF5 will still coast by on the Street Fighter name, no matter how much Capcom screws up...

Right. Because this little thing called gameplay is so irrelevant these days.

Didn't matter when it came to Street Fighter IV

 

[Warxard]

Right. Because this little thing called gameplay is so irrelevant these days.

Why do you think MKX sold so much

 

[Yoday]

It is my favorite fighting game in years. I love that it has a lot of depth, but two button mashers can have a really good time playing each other while making some seriously cool shit happen with combo assist mode. The pricing model is perfect too. There is an all in option, but also a cheaper option for people who just want the fighters. It's great.

 

[Troubled Bat]

What people seem to forget is that KI is $40 and not a $60 game.

So it bothers me with the comparison of SFV, as if KI was $60 when it came out.

 

[Numb]

OK I'm downloading the PC version and getting Hisako. All I need for now. Tired of watching and now seems a good time to join

 

[Warxard]

What people seem to forget is that KI is $40 and not a $60 game.

So it bothers me with the comparison of SFV, as if KI was $60 when it came out.

KI is a $60 game technically, as each season is worth $20 a pop.

If we want to get even further into technicalities, it's $70 seeing as Shadow Jago has a premium price .

But, yeah we should seriously fucking stop comparing these two. We should compare MKX to SFV and see who capes for the latter.

 

[Eidan]

Pretty high praise for a game nobody is interested in for high level play. They try to do their own events but I don't think anybody is watching.

It's a good reboot of the franchise but anyone I know who likes fighting games isn't interested in it. It's a fine casual fighter but gameplay wise its nowhere near mk, guilty gear, tekken, or street fighter.

It must sell well enough to keep getting support though. With kof and tekken 7 on the horizon I wonder how much room there is for it though.

Their stages look great but the character models are so ugly.

I tried to download the pc version but it just crashes while checking what I own (bought season 1 and 2 on xb1 before I sold it) so I deleted it.

Won't ever touch the God tier footsie game street fighter 5 has going. Playing that game feels so good in the neutral game.

I swear, are you some Capcom "community manager" or something?

 

[toastyToast]

I don't really blame Capcom for what they did to SFV anymore I blame to diehard fans that endlessly defend an incomplete product.

After all they'd done and learned making SFIV it's like it all got thrown out the window. Ignoring having a much smaller roster which I can forgive, there's no reason why they shouldn't have released an equivalent feature set. They could have held back on the story mode since that was something new. Everything else they set an expectation for.

Also how ranked before compared to how it works now stinks. Can't even manually search for people looking for games. You could go back to back to back before. Loading up training mode only to wait some more in training mode is orders of magnitude worse than it was previously. Also no region filtering. The game is a much shoddier than it should have been. Should have, no one should deny this.

As for the topic, 2 and a half years is a long time. A lot of fighting games a better on their (unofficial) third iteration. I don't doubt that Street Fighter V will be a much better game in that time so the argument that KI now > SFV now doesn't hold much water. That being said the state that KI came out in were a lot easier to swallow because

1. You didn't have to spend money
2. If you did it was $20
3. It was very clear how this game was going to pan out

Capcom fucked up, that's clear. If you've got some money or no money to spend you can play KI. Maybe you'll like it. The end.

 

[Troubled Bat]

KI is a $60 game technically, as each season is worth $20 a pop.

But, yeah we should seriously fucking stop comparing these two. We should compare MKX to SFV and see who capes for the latter.

Oh, I was specifically talking about the launch of KI S1 to SFV. I should have worded it better.

In content, MKX just wins that overall. No contest there.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Yo, this topic is depressing as fuck. KI3 can't even get some light on it because people are too busy fighting back and forth about other fighting games. I get it. The OP started the scuffle, and you have people who disagree. But c'mon, the fighting game genre is finally becoming more solidified in terms of people crossing over games more openly. We got MK players in SFV, KOF players playing GG, and GG players hopping in Capcom's business to help them make a game.

What I'm saying is, people need to stop trashing fighting games they don't like. The more people we get in this community, the more everyone benefits. You can play as many or as little fighting games as you like, and it's incredibly difficult to compare fighters beyond things like content. KI3 knocks that shit outta the park and people should definitely check it out for things even like the Dojo. I'd say the same for MK's ladder system (although I personally think their story mode is booty). When SFV gets some cool CPU battles going with that challenge mode, I'll say the same thing out of personal interest.

So let these "smaller" games shine. They deserve it. Elsewise we get titles like VF5 dying at launch (Sega fucked up, I know, but still).

 

[friz898]

Wow at the reviews/ratings for KI3 in response to my question.


I wasn't saying KI2 was a 10 exactly lol, I'm mostly a SF player the past 20 years.

I guess I need to buy this...

 

[TDLink]

This game is really great. I love how they've incorporated so many different kinds of fighting characters in here too. They even have a character that feels like Marvel Vs Capcom with Assists and tag outs! The $60 Supreme package that gets your everything feels like a steal. Yeah it's been built up over 3 years but as a new purchase right now it feels like a way better deal than SFV. It's awesome.

 

[Fersis]

I feel the good hearted intent of this thread but in reality every "my favorite fighting game is the best" is gonna end up as a a "my waifu is the best waifu" thread ... and you know what OP?

Spoiler

Spoiler

Just joking, KI is a good game.

 

[PetulantChild]

When Gaf has it out for a game, they straight savage.
And no, OP, people champ goes to GG Xrd.
KI is better than it was back in the SNES/N64 era, but that's not saying much. The characters are tacky and the music is lame. I understand the appeal though. The casuals love this game.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Sure that's free. But you are being intellectually dishonest by trying to equate that pittance of a demo to what SFV offered @ $60.

I apologize though, please get back to your circle jerk.

What?

Killer Instinct actually had the same number of modes, actually possibly more modes. A proper tutorial/dojo and it was free.

I was responding to your post that stated Killer Instinct was just as bare bones as Street Fighter at launch. Yeah it almost was, but it was FREE. It's not complicated.

 

[Nuu]

Yo, this topic is depressing as fuck. KI3 can't even get some light on it because people are too busy fighting back and forth about other fighting games. I get it. The OP started the scuffle, and you have people who disagree. But c'mon, the fighting game genre is finally becoming more solidified in terms of people crossing over games more openly. We got MK players in SFV, KOF players playing GG, and GG players hopping in Capcom's business to help them make a game.

What I'm saying is, people need to stop trashing fighting games they don't like. The more people we get in this community, the more everyone benefits. You can play as many or as little fighting games as you like, and it's incredibly difficult to compare fighters beyond things like content. KI3 knocks that shit outta the park and people should definitely check it out for things even like the Dojo. I'd say the same for MK's ladder system (although I personally think their story mode is booty). When SFV gets some cool CPU battles going with that challenge mode, I'll say the same thing out of personal interest.

So let these "smaller" games shine. They deserve it. Elsewise we get titles like VF5 dying at launch (Sega fucked up, I know, but still).

The fighting game community has always been this way.

That said things are much MUCH MUCH better than they were back in the 2000s. Everything that wasn't the big four (SF3:TS, MvC2, CvS2, SSF2T) was seen as a joke, and even amongst those games people wouldn't stop arguing over how parrying ruined Street Fighter or how hilariously unbalanced Marvel was.

 

[fallingdove]

Yeah! A fucking $60 ass $60 game has more content than a free to play ass free to play game. Sure. Hell yeah, I can admit that. I mean, you'd have to be 'intellectually dishonest' to not think that's the case.

Take a breath?

This is the exact argument I am making. And by no means am I saying that the developer is dishonest.

The dishonesty is in the argument that some are making that KI is in a special category for offering a single character free 2 play demo to go along with their feature/character anemic launch game.

I was there day 1, waiting for characters to be released, a story mode to be released, balancing, technical polish, etc.

It wasn't until months later that KI could have been considered complete and SFV is following the same fucking path.

So calm down and realize that you and I are saying the same thing. My responses were directed to those that have conjured a revisionist history to fuel some ridiculous - my console exclusive fighter is better than yours.

 

[evilromero]

Best OST in a fighter yet as well.

By far. My favorite soundtrack at the moment period.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Take a breath?

This is the exact argument I am making. And by no means am I saying that the developer is dishonest.

The dishonesty is in the argument that some are making that KI is in a special category for offering a single character free 2 play demo to go along with their feature/character anemic launch game.

I was there day 1, waiting for characters to be released, a story mode to be released, balancing, technical polish, etc.

It wasn't until months later that KI could have been considered complete and SFV is following the same fucking path.

So calm down and realize that you and I are saying the same thing. My responses were directed to those that have conjured a revisionist history to fuel some ridiculous - my console exclusive fighter is better than yours.

But again (kinda stunned this isn't getting through to you here) KI didn't cost full price on day one. This isn't about "which game is better" because that's too subjective.

The value argument is not. KI is a better value package and always has been since day one. It's just a better model to go with with fighters these days.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I swear, are you some Capcom "community manager" or something?

I guess not being on the sf5 hate bandwagon means you must be paid?

I'd love to give killer instinct a try again but it would never get past the "checking dlc" screen and I deleted it. Guess that's a better experience than the trauma of not having arcade mode tho

 

[Josh5890]

After I build my new rig in a month or so with Windows 10 I will give this game a chance.

 

[fallingdove]

But again (kinda stunned this isn't getting through to you here) KI didn't cost full price on day one. This isn't about "which game is better" because that's too subjective.

The value argument is not. KI is a better value package and always has been since day one. It's just a better model to go with with fighters these days.

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

 

[daman824]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

Oh, but I could have gotten it for free. No, I couldn't have. A online capable demo is great for those people that only have a lukewarm interest in the game but a demo does not somehow make the full package a greater value. And the closer KI gets to what SFV launched with equates to a very similar price point so quit with the bullshit.

This actually isn't true. The supreme $60 version of ki right now has more content than the $60 SFV

But I don't even see why we are arguing this. I mean, capcom messed up worse than anyone could have imagined. But SFV will come around over the next few years. So why are people getting so worked up over this?

KI is an amazing game. But I've found that the fighting game community is the worst when it comes to taking games that aren't made by capcom seriously. Some people itt acting like miscrosoft wasn't incredibly upfront with the pricing model from the start, other posters seriously seem like capcom shills

 

[7DollarHagane]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

Oh, but I could have gotten it for free. No, I couldn't have. A online capable demo is great for those people that only have a lukewarm interest in the game but a demo does not somehow make the full package a greater value. And the closer KI gets to what SFV launched with equates to a very similar price point so quit with the bullshit.

As a newcomer season 1 and 2 are $30. Of course even season 2 has been out about a year so I would be surprised if you couldn't buy sf5 for close to 30 next March.

The season 3 pack is $20 so that's a $50 purchase to get up to date minimum.

The "supreme" edition for $60 has the old arcade games and costumes.

They are pretty comparably priced. The difference is if you buy a $30 copy of sf5 you can earn Alex, guile, Balrog, etc eventually by playing the game. KI is slightly cheaper but doesn't have the option.

These arguments are not about logic though it's lots of heated emotions and anger and snap perception judgements. So the free version of KI still is "free".

I hope sf5 has a similar "free" demo with a rotating character by the end of the year.

 

[Forsaken82]

Why do you think MKX sold so much

You mean, a reason besides being a Mortal Kombat game?

This is like arguing why does Call of Duty continue to sell so much? Everyone on GAF seems to hate the franchise... and yet it CONTINUES to sell 20 million units.

 

[fallingdove]

This actually isn't true. The supreme $60 version of ki right now has more content than the $60 SFV

But I don't even see why we are arguing this. I mean, capcom messed up worse than anyone could have imagined. But SFV will come around over the next few years. So why are people getting so worked up over this?

KI is an amazing game. But I've found that the fighting game community is the worst when it comes to taking games that aren't made by capcom seriously. Some people itt acting like miscrosoft wasn't incredibly upfront with the pricing model from the start, to what seriously seems like a capcom shill a few posts above yours

Today KI is definitely a greater value, that cannot be denied.

 

[Defect]

Hell, all the combo breaker packs alone are worth their price.

 

[Warxard]

You mean, a reason besides being a Mortal Kombat game?

This is like arguing why does Call of Duty continue to sell so much? Everyone on GAF seems to hate the franchise... and yet it CONTINUES to sell 20 million units.

This was a joke

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

But you had the option to spend:

$0 - Get all modes no extra costumes (outside what you unlock). 1 character
$5 - Get all modes no extra costumes (outside what you unlock) 2 characters
$20 - Get all modes no extra costumes (outside what you unlock) all Season 1 characters

With Street Fighter, you HAVE to spend $60 just to get a foot in the door.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I hope Capcom doesn't pull support because SFV sold like elephant shit and it gets as many seasons as KI

 

[Doukou]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

You are forgetting the KI port.

 

[Jotamide]

Game is fantastic and run like a dream. I wish my friends would play with me.

 

[Nuu]

People are actually arguing that the base game of Killer Instinct is free? Not being able to chose what character you want to use is a pretty gargantuan thing for fighting games. Buying an individual character is also really weird to me. You have to try out each character extensively before you know who you are going to use. Unless you don't mind waiting half a year to try everyone.

As far as I consider it, it's $50 for the full game and $30 for the previous entry.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Hey guys.. I haven't quite been under a rock, I have tons of other comments and questions and watched a bunch of gameplay videos and character reveals..


..but as a PS4/PC owner who for some reason still has not bought it for PC after being excited it was coming.. i have one single question.


If KI2 or KI2 Gold (N64) was a 10 on a 1-10 scale, use the weighted magazine 6-10 scale if you want...

how would KI3 rank? 8 or 9? 10 meaning same? or some fake number like 10+ or 11?

If KI2 is a 10 then KI2013 is a 30

 

[Defect]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

Then you should've bought the $20 combo breaker pack. The extra $20 is for the ki ports (season 1 and 2 only) and retros.

 

[petran79]

too bad that the people's champ has such an unmarketable and lousy trainer (Windows Store)....

 

[Gowans]

I really love this game, everything just feels so solid to me along with the music.

I would love them to keep it running with IG for a new season every 18months.

Looking forward for the rest of the updates and work going in for S3.

TJ is my current fave.

 

[Salty Hippo]

The value argument is entirely subjective.

For the $40 ultra edition I got 8 characters, a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

With SFV, I got 16 characters a shitty story mode, retro costumes and a survival mode.

Ehh, you paid 40 because you wanted the bells and whistles of Ultra Edition like retro costumes and a bonus game. That season has always costed 20 bucks for 8 characters. If you want to just talk numbers, SF5 charges 60 for 16. Do the math.

And no, you don't get costumes in SF5's standard edition. You get one IF you preordered it, everything else is locked behind a terrible grind system. It's a pain in the ass to even get colors because the survival is also "shitty" (something you forgot to mention).

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Pretty high praise for a game nobody is interested in for high level play. They try to do their own events but I don't think anybody is watching.

It's a good reboot of the franchise but anyone I know who likes fighting games isn't interested in it. It's a fine casual fighter but gameplay wise its nowhere near mk, guilty gear, tekken, or street fighter.

It must sell well enough to keep getting support though. With kof and tekken 7 on the horizon I wonder how much room there is for it though.

Their stages look great but the character models are so ugly.

I tried to download the pc version but it just crashes while checking what I own (bought season 1 and 2 on xb1 before I sold it) so I deleted it.

Won't ever touch the God tier footsie game street fighter 5 has going. Playing that game feels so good in the neutral game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=196162502&postcount=171

 

[walltowall]

I hope Capcom doesn't pull support because SFV sold like elephant shit and it gets as many seasons as KI

They need to bring quite a bit of content if they continue w/ $30 season passes. But the base game only cost me $10 so I'm not complaining.