Cmdr. Solrak
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I have already seen several fights between people about talking out of character in general chat. the OOC chat was created to avoid this but as it turns out, some people want to use general the same way as a regular sever.
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Great Wasabi Man
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So I take it the "official" GA server is a central PvP one? And as one of the Horde? Aw well I'm going allaince(Night Elf Hunter), and probally the same server. when I get the game that is
IJoel said:Is there an official GAF server? Do I have to read all pages of this thread?
A lot of people are going to different servers to be with friends, so there really isn't an official GAF server. It seems like Mal'Ganis is becoming the closest thing to a GAF server. Even then a lot of people are going to be split amongst the two factions.
Outdoor Miner
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Damn, kinda quiet in here.
Everyone playing? :lol
Everyone playing? :lol
Outdoor Miner
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Belfast said:
I'm in a queue for Argent Dawn at the moment. This is really not something Blizzard should be doing. It was fine in beta, but people are now paying them a very nice $15 a month.
Relax guys.
The newbie areas are PACKED right now. They won't be having queues when people start to move out to different areas. It's either wait for queues, or have lag so bad you'll be stuck looting things for 5 minutes.
They're using the queues on the packed servers to make people move to the less populated servers, too.
The newbie areas are PACKED right now. They won't be having queues when people start to move out to different areas. It's either wait for queues, or have lag so bad you'll be stuck looting things for 5 minutes.
They're using the queues on the packed servers to make people move to the less populated servers, too.
Why in the heavens is Blizzard using Bittorrent to deliver their patches?
This is simply unacceptable. I thought this was only the case for beta/open testing but I am paying for this product now. I sure as hell don't want people leeching off my bandwidth.
I wouldn't have bought the game had I known about this.
This is simply unacceptable. I thought this was only the case for beta/open testing but I am paying for this product now. I sure as hell don't want people leeching off my bandwidth.
I wouldn't have bought the game had I known about this.
Zaptruder said:Haha.
If that's the way you feel then I'm sure people actually playing WoW will be glad to rid of a person that can think so moronically
Yeah, because bandwidth limits don't affect people.
How about thinking about others before replying nonsense and insulting comments.
In any case, this is the first MMORPG to do this.
keeblerdrow
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AeroGod, I'm on Bleeding Hollow, as well. I'm an Orc Shaman named Skoron.
Getting some food now, but I'll be back on at 10:15 or so.
Getting some food now, but I'll be back on at 10:15 or so.
Oh well..at least blizzard is doing this to try and even out the population. They really should have anticipated this especially after they let the server names leak and the fact that most of the players didn't keep secret what they were planning as far as what servers they were gonna get on.
Since there is no Gaf guild I'll be trying to get on Archimonde like originally planned. Its gonna be hell waiting but I can catch up on GTA:SA to pass the time.
Since there is no Gaf guild I'll be trying to get on Archimonde like originally planned. Its gonna be hell waiting but I can catch up on GTA:SA to pass the time.
IJoel said:
Seriously, what's X amount of upload every once in a while for a sweet game?
I mean, you're AOK with bittorrent it would seem. But now it involves the concept of pay, you demand to leech completely of Blizzard servers.
As if on principle your money should be more than enough to compensate Blizzard for a poorer business practice.
But the real point is how minor having to upload is, compared to what the game offers... and you say it like it's a deal breaker. That's pretty moronic to me. It should be to you too.
Zaptruder said:
Have you played MMORPGs before? Some of the patches are quite big and can take a long time to download. During that time, and since you have no control over the bittorrent upload (thanks to Blizzard for that as well,) I would be uploading at max speed. This could be significant..
On principle, Blizzard is THE FIRST DEVELOPER to use bittorrent as a means to deliver patches/content for their MMORPG. No other MMORPG developer does this. They directly send you the patches. Do you realize what do people pay monthly for? Server fees that include downloadable patches/content. Well, at least that's what you pay for all MMORPGs except this one.
I could understand a small publisher/developer doing this, but this is Blizzard we're talking about. WoW will most likely be the highest selling MMORPG in the industry. They will generate tons of revenue and profit on this as well. If they can't support a direct download method, they're simply being greedy.
ZombieSupaStar
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ok here is what I got so far
Realm Mountain
Server Kel thuzad
Side Alliance
Race Night Elves
people doing this are
ME
Keeblerdrow
Realm Mountain
Server Kel thuzad
Side Alliance
Race Night Elves
people doing this are
ME
Keeblerdrow
So... your beef against WoW is in terms of Blizzard's business practices?
Well if you want to be consistent...
do you buy EA games? Or completely reject them on the principle that they willfully and quite often maliciously exploit not only their workers... but the buying public as well?
IMO, Blizzard is one of the better companies in this respect, providing a good ear to their customers and just putting in the time and effort to develop a class product, instead of churning it out @ 90% and leaving the customer with a product with market sheen, but just short of classic status.
And yes, I've played an MMORPG before, and I've also had little problem downloading large patches of several hundred megabytes.
Infact... I can't quite fathom why upload really matters to you that much, that you'd be willing to pass up the game that you obviously like, because it takes away from you some 1-2 hours every month (or however infrequent patches can be).
Hell, if you're a typical internet user, download bandwidth is much more important... and regardless of what happens, the patch will be sucking your bandwidth downloading itself, rendering you less able to browse the internet while downloading.
But you can even disable peer-to-peer if you so choose. Which I guess solves your primary concern with the game.
Well if you want to be consistent...
do you buy EA games? Or completely reject them on the principle that they willfully and quite often maliciously exploit not only their workers... but the buying public as well?
IMO, Blizzard is one of the better companies in this respect, providing a good ear to their customers and just putting in the time and effort to develop a class product, instead of churning it out @ 90% and leaving the customer with a product with market sheen, but just short of classic status.
And yes, I've played an MMORPG before, and I've also had little problem downloading large patches of several hundred megabytes.
Infact... I can't quite fathom why upload really matters to you that much, that you'd be willing to pass up the game that you obviously like, because it takes away from you some 1-2 hours every month (or however infrequent patches can be).
Hell, if you're a typical internet user, download bandwidth is much more important... and regardless of what happens, the patch will be sucking your bandwidth downloading itself, rendering you less able to browse the internet while downloading.
But you can even disable peer-to-peer if you so choose. Which I guess solves your primary concern with the game.
nataku said:
The time to wait just seems to be based on how many people out of the total have left in the last X amount of time. At one point I was at 8 minutes with 171 people left... then it went 3 minutes and only one person left. I was at 34 minutes with 170 people before me.
Anyway, these queue's are a bit ridiculous. It seems they didn't anticipate so many people picking Central. Maybe they just set up servers based on population in the area's. I first started and it SUGGESTED i take Mal'Ganis.. I was like well that's great, it must be the least populated. It still took me 40ish minutes to get in
Zaptruder said:
Ugh... Do I really have to repeat myself? Blizzard is the only company doing this. I don't care for their internal practices or anything else. The fact is that while all the other mmorpg publishers simply provide their subscribers with a direct high speed connection to the patches/content, Blizzard isn't.
The EA example just doesn't even come into play here. I buy games for what the product provides, and for a MMORPG, updates/patches/content and their delivery, obviously, IS part of the product.
IJoel said:
You might not care for the internal practices or whatever... but at the least you should have consistency in your thinking.
Why does it bother you that much you have to share bandwidth with people?
OK, so you have to share bandwidth... that's a slight disadvantage to you. But what could you possibly be doing with that UPLOADING bandwidth in the time it takes you to download a patch?
Is it honestly that much of a swing factor that you would not bother with the game at all if you hadn't already bought it?
I mean if you say yes, then that's fine. Personally I think it's the least legitimate reason of any to pass a game over (such as quality, price point, gameplay, etc, etc).
But ignoring that...
the crux of your argument is that either you're been somewhat disadvantaged by having to share your bandwidth...
or that you reject Blizzard's business practice of been a greedy capitalistic pig, taking advantage of their customers by using their bandwidth.
But I asked you... aren't you somewhat disadvantaged when the developer releases a poorer product than what could be feasibly possible (poorer due to poor business practice)?
And don't you find the business practice of pushing out product at the expense of the consumer and the developer just as abhorrent?
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Basically, you're little cry baby reaction "OH TEH NOES THEY TAKES MYBANDWITHD!!!!" pisses me off.
Son of Godzilla
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Yay Aero joined my guild, I feel moderately important!
Zaptruder said:Your ISP has an upload cap?
Where u from? I've got a download cap from my ISP.... but no upload (but it's slow).
if your ISP is anything like me, your upload amount is unlikely to affect your download cap.
That is surprising. Most caps are more restrictive on the upload than on the download.
Anyway, it wasn't a big deal for this launch as the update was relatively small, but since some updates from the beta ranged in the hundreds of MBs and many times my upload would go over the download, it was a concern.
I am mostly disappointed they chose this way to distribute content. Out of all developers, the one I considered the least likely to provide a less than great support was Blizzard. After all this first day complaints with the server queues, I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
I had a chance to play with the game for an hour or so. Excellent so far, barring the server lag (sometimes for more than 5 minutes.)
Realm: Mountain
Server: Kel thuzad
Side: Alliance
Race: Night Elves
Name: Kareth
Class: Hunter
I'm on Doombringer (I think the name is?) on Mountain. Human Warrior. lvl 8 currently, questing it up. Pretty fun game, but it did lag to sweet hell about 10-15 minutes ago. I couldn't even log out. Oof. Anyways, it's pretty decent thus far. Battles/downtime on a good clip. PLenty of quests out there and tons of weapons. Currently learning Fist Aid and Blacksmithing. Tried to find the Miner Trainer guy, but lag got horrid.
Eh, I got a free month so I figured, what the hell. If I turn up not liking this, I'm pretty much done with MMORPGs forever =P
Eh, I got a free month so I figured, what the hell. If I turn up not liking this, I'm pretty much done with MMORPGs forever =P
firex said:
They just wanted to be able to distribute the load among the servers. They artificially capped pretty much all the servers and put the queue system for those that NEED to be in that server, while pushing all others to go for other servers.
It is a solution to their problem, though I just dislike being told where to play and who to play with. For a game that relies so heavily on community, a detail like this makes a world of difference.
Cerebral Palsy
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IJoel said:
You should have played on Deathwing.
Bah, servers just farted. 2 minute lag hit on looting and resses. Then I got kicked, and now my character list won't load. =/ Been smooth as butter up to this point for me.
IJoel said:
Well, they've given you the option to block uploads, so it's actually pretty decent of them... offering customers the choice between high download speeds and upload or moderate download speeds and no upload.
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And the current method of server distribution may seem draconian... but is far better than the system instituted in FFXI and will be for the best in the long term (i.e. after the first couple weeks or maybe month). It's good that they can take the long term interests of their customers into account as well.
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