Spyxos
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I have the Ridu Fonds and the monthly membership running. I will cancel Ridu Fonds soon. I'll probably get Evelyn after all.
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Pejo
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Just finished Astra's story quest. I wasn't very impressed with it. The pacing was all over the place, and it seems they left out a lot of important plot points that are just revealed at random spots along the way, like the characters all already knew everything. Weird fangirling and zoomer memes from Belle, the "singing makes the rocket engines go" shit. I dunno, the whole thing felt like a fever dream instead of a well crafted story. It was one of those bits that felt like they had 8 guys writing a story then just mixed them all together with no knowledge of what everyone else was writing about and didn't try to make it gel.
Also finished off the bangboo event. I used a trick of looking at the way the line on the back of the arrow was pointing to make the "flip mode" stuff a lot easier. So pressing the directions of the lines instead of the arrows. You get an achievement for getting S on all bangboo dance-offs.
Pretty cool that they're giving us another 10 tapes.
Also finished off the bangboo event. I used a trick of looking at the way the line on the back of the arrow was pointing to make the "flip mode" stuff a lot easier. So pressing the directions of the lines instead of the arrows. You get an achievement for getting S on all bangboo dance-offs.
Pretty cool that they're giving us another 10 tapes.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Anybody have any idea how to complete these in the arcade event?
I got all polychromes and skill mats, don't care about anything else. Mach 25 is the best arcade game they've made so far, period. It's so good that I almost got all the achievements (get the rest of them today), hopefully they'll add more characters and stuff to play with as well as different music tracks in future updates.
I'm yet to play Astra's story, probably get it done today and then move on to WuWa.
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Pejo
Member
Seems accurate with the few info sites I use.Is this still Evelyn materials or did they change it again ?
Reminder, that recent 4* event W-Engine with crit substat is supposedly really good on her, if you don't feel like going for her signature engine.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Checked for leaks on this as well and yeah, it looks like it's accurate. But I'm holding back from farming boss mats just in case.
That is exactly what I'm going to do. Fuck her W-Engine, I'd rather get Trigger and her W-Engine.
Ah, I wish we knew which disc sets are better for Trigger so that I could start focusing on that as well. I mean, there's at least 2 (or maybe 3) possible combinations so knowing which is the best in advance could help a lot.
Aenima
Member
The rogue like arcade game has some new character you can unlock like Belle, Wise, Nicole, etc. 1st you need to see the requirements to unlock them then play a game with them. I unlocked Belle and Nicole so i managed to complete the challange to play a game with Belle, but the other one require you to unlock all the members of the cunning hares and play a game with each, as is too much work as i already got the polys and some of the mats i wanted as rewards. So im ignoring a few of the time comsuming challenges.Anybody have any idea how to complete these in the arcade event?
SSfox
Member
Ok great. I wasn't planning to get her but she felt cooler than I thought when I played story.
Pejo
Member
Ah that explains it. I checked it out after your post and I already had Nicole unlocked, don't even know what the conditions were. I'll probably piss with it for a while, I actually like that arcade game, and the new driving one. Snake and soul hound are a chore though.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Idk if you unlocked it yet, but the UFO driving model though.... I didn't expected it, but it was a fun challenge. There's so much future possibilities with this game though, new characters, new tracks with obstacles you can avoid by jumping, shooting, maybe shifting camera perspectives etc. I hope they won't abandon this arcade game.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
nekomata is completely OD in bizarre brigade, easiest character to clear the hardest difficulty with.
You get the cunning hares simply by finishing a game with one of them each. Wise is unlocked through multiplayer, and I believe belle unlocks after you finish a game with him (as I got her without fulfilling her actual requirement); surefire way to unlock belle is to buy the "the end" item.
Pejo
Member
Probably the Miyabi effect™. They're going to have to bloat stats now to make things competitive for her. That's why I wasn't a big fan of how strong she was when she released. Ah well, it was bound to happen in a HoYo game though.
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I guess it's easy for me to say but, the last two SD was nothing.
Than being said though, I think they definitely buffed Electric enemies to the point that Yanagi + Qingyi + Seth team no longer works great and feels like it's lacking an Attack agent (I refuse to waste mats and resources on Harumasa cuz I don't like him and his playstyle) - Seth even at M6 is way to slow and wasting a lot of time with his attacks and even though his attack in my case is 3100+, it's definitely not doing much if at all cuz of how effin' slow he is.
To illustrate my point, look at that time difference:
It's almost 2 times longer to do it with Seth than with the help of Astra, which is not even doing anything at all beyond buffing attack and you pressing "Y" one time
Anyway, it's all comes down to the effin' timers and if it wasn't for them, no one could give a shit about how long it takes and bothered with pulling. There was a node without timers at one point but they got rid of it.
Spyxos
Member
Is this a Disorder Yanagi? Yeah, I have issues with the electric team, but I've never really played with Seth either, so I'm struggling now. And mine is only m4.I guess it's easy for me to say but, the last two SD was nothing.
Than being said though, I think they definitely buffed Electric enemies to the point that Yanagi + Qingyi + Seth team no longer works great and feels like it's lacking an Attack agent (I refuse to waste mats and resources on Harumasa cuz I don't like him and his playstyle) - Seth even at M6 is way to slow and wasting a lot of time with his attacks and even though his attack in my case is 3100+, it's definitely not doing much if at all cuz of how effin' slow he is.
To illustrate my point, look at that time difference:
It's almost 2 times longer to do it with Seth than with the help of Astra, which is not even doing anything at all beyond buffing attack and you pressing "Y" one time
Anyway, it's all comes down to the effin' timers and if it wasn't for them, no one could give a shit about how long it takes and bothered with pulling. There was a node without timers at one point but they got rid of it.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I also have her signature W-Engine so keep that in mind.
Again, Seth is very slow, but you can get by if you'll add Astra to the team.
Idk if you like Harumasa and his gameplay, but if you do, you can lvl him up and replace slow Seth cuz Harumasa is pretty good at clearing things it looks like, that is if you're not aiming at gettin' S rank Anby in 1.6 - in this case just do what I did and wait for Anby.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I'm a bit behind with some of these ongoing events, but I'm starting to get tired with all the amount of endless text you have to sit through when the writing is not even that compelling. Need a skip all dialogue button like in WuWa.
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I'm all for it too, as well as one button push to skip all nedless transitions and confirmations like in the arcade, video store etc. - good lord, it's SO BAD! I just mash one batton (or skip the whole thing when I can) to go through all the shit I don't care about in terms of dialogue. The bangboo event and the flash game was the first time I did that 99% of the time.
Man, I just can't help but to look at all this shit and think - why would you ever waste your time on this mediocre crap instead of making story and character content better and longer as it is the real meat of the game? Just hire more people to do all this crap for those who need it and focus the main team on the stuff that matters. Jesus.
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Finished Asta's story. To be honest, I don't think it's as bad as
Pejo
said. It's actually good and probably one of the best character stories so far. The main issue here is as aways - they rush things a lot as with everything else related to the main story as well, so there's barely any real character development and just enough of everything for a 20+m TV episode at best. We'll get more of Evelyn in two weeks of course, but the problems I'm having with the way MHY doing all this are not going away and it really makes me wonder if 2.0 will even change anything and in a way WuWa devs did, but I'm not holding my breath.
Do I want to pull for Evelyn after finishin's Astra's story though? Well, here's the thing, the problem with this is that they're really not letting you see or feel just how powerful she really is, cuz you're not having access to her W-Engine, you don't have good discs equipped on her and probably don't even have all her passives unlocked so it feels like you're just playing a bare bones lvl 60 version of her, just like you play bare bones version of Miyabi in the story and in the S6 event if you don't have her. I mean, Evelyn clears groups of enemies just fine even with all this considered, but I really don't think that her performance against elites and bosses are accurate and the same will be true with her special episode in a week or so from now.
So Idk what to think, honestly, cuz it's not that hard to clear groups of enemies in SD even without her cuz there's Burnice for that already, but will Evelyn also be great against elites and bosses? That's a real question here I think and probably the most important one, so I'll wait and see other people's experience with her after launch before pulling cuz there's no way to be sure otherwise. I mean, I like her design even though I would've added a lot more details to her outfit to not look so bland on the front (the inside of her jacket and shirt), but Idk, if she's not way better than S11 against bosses...
Also, the new outside of cut-scenes dialogues just don't work imho. I mean it's fine when you're alone, but if someone else is with you and you're having back and forth conversations it's just not working at all, cuz there's very long pauses between exchanges and... PEOPLE DON'T TALK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE, MHY! LOOK AT WUWA, JFK!
How about some really well directed and animated character conversations not just with agents, but with random NPCs? WuWa also has somewhat similar conversations during quests, but while also having what ZZZ simply don't have
Oh and they're so effin' lazy that almost any character important to the story is always some random and awful looking dude, which has no place in a 3 trillion dennies worth company cuz he doesn't even look like it's part of it:
Good lord... ugh. WuWa also has this problem mind you even in 2.0, but c'mon, you're not even trying here.
Pejo
said. It's actually good and probably one of the best character stories so far. The main issue here is as aways - they rush things a lot as with everything else related to the main story as well, so there's barely any real character development and just enough of everything for a 20+m TV episode at best. We'll get more of Evelyn in two weeks of course, but the problems I'm having with the way MHY doing all this are not going away and it really makes me wonder if 2.0 will even change anything and in a way WuWa devs did, but I'm not holding my breath.Do I want to pull for Evelyn after finishin's Astra's story though? Well, here's the thing, the problem with this is that they're really not letting you see or feel just how powerful she really is, cuz you're not having access to her W-Engine, you don't have good discs equipped on her and probably don't even have all her passives unlocked so it feels like you're just playing a bare bones lvl 60 version of her, just like you play bare bones version of Miyabi in the story and in the S6 event if you don't have her. I mean, Evelyn clears groups of enemies just fine even with all this considered, but I really don't think that her performance against elites and bosses are accurate and the same will be true with her special episode in a week or so from now.
So Idk what to think, honestly, cuz it's not that hard to clear groups of enemies in SD even without her cuz there's Burnice for that already, but will Evelyn also be great against elites and bosses? That's a real question here I think and probably the most important one, so I'll wait and see other people's experience with her after launch before pulling cuz there's no way to be sure otherwise. I mean, I like her design even though I would've added a lot more details to her outfit to not look so bland on the front (the inside of her jacket and shirt), but Idk, if she's not way better than S11 against bosses...
Also, the new outside of cut-scenes dialogues just don't work imho. I mean it's fine when you're alone, but if someone else is with you and you're having back and forth conversations it's just not working at all, cuz there's very long pauses between exchanges and... PEOPLE DON'T TALK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE, MHY! LOOK AT WUWA, JFK!
How about some really well directed and animated character conversations not just with agents, but with random NPCs? WuWa also has somewhat similar conversations during quests, but while also having what ZZZ simply don't haveOh and they're so effin' lazy that almost any character important to the story is always some random and awful looking dude, which has no place in a 3 trillion dennies worth company cuz he doesn't even look like it's part of it:
Good lord... ugh. WuWa also has this problem mind you even in 2.0, but c'mon, you're not even trying here.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Grabbed most of the easy polychrome rewards from the ongoing events and now I have enough pulls saved up to guarantee Evelyn. Feels good, man!
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Daaaang, Seth + Qingyi look like a 
team in comparison to
fast SAnby + Trigger:
It'll be simply unstoppable if you'll add Yanagi to the team with her constant disorders
team in comparison tofast SAnby + Trigger:It'll be simply unstoppable if you'll add Yanagi to the team with her constant disorders
Pejo
Member
Daaaang, Seth + Qingyi look like a
It'll be simply unstoppable if you'll add Yanagi to the team with her constant disorders
Man, Anby looks to have a basic/boring mash X kit like S11. I was really hoping for some varying tactics like Miyabi with her counters/chargeable hold attacks/etc.
Maybe she does have that stuff and the leaker playing the game just sucks. Guess we'll see when she's in the demo, but I'm noticing the same exact attack chain spammed over and over, with some Astra-enabled quickswap dotted in between her and Trigger.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
11 is actually the opposite of this, if you mash attack her dps drops like a brick since fire suppression only activates on timed hits
Pejo
Member
I meant moreso that it's a flat kit with no combo branches/combo variation. But her rhythm DPS is only viable when she's "unbuffed" with her perma-flame mode, which you should never be using to begin with.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Pejo
I'd wait for the character demo, yeah.There are people who just mash buttons and not using characters the way it was intended, but then again and unfortunately, it's a viable strategy in ZZZ cuz otherwise kids will be furious, drop the game and can't ask Ma and Pa to buy them monochromes. I am, of course, not talking about the hard end game where it just doesn't work.
In other news. It looks like we're getting new disc set/s and more characters are getting gear in Lost Void, so that's great and something cool to look forward to when 1.6 launches
Update:
The game really wants me to max out Lycaon and make him better, huh? Well, then... At least I got it at the ~50th pull.
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Icymanipulator
Member
Walked right through it,
Didn’t notice at all
Spyxos
Member
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
If only it was available outside of another stupid event with BS rewards though, but it's not gonna happen.
Hopefully modders will assemble something out of it and add it to the game via a mod as a photo mode you can use anywhere and not just in combat.
Hopefully modders will assemble something out of it and add it to the game via a mod as a photo mode you can use anywhere and not just in combat.
Pejo
Member
Wish you could disable/reduce the VFX. My issue is that with all the shit exploding everywhere, all of my pictures are just a big mess of flashes sparks, and fire.
Icymanipulator
Member
Also not seeing the hate for Astras story.
You’re not going to get War and Peace here no matter who you play. It’s a gacha game.
I mentioned before but I thought her story was fun and entertaining. Nice visuals, a bit about her past and the musician who inspired her, and the consequences of the greedy corporate label trying to exert control. Was it perfect ? No. But I don’t think it has to be.
You’re not going to get War and Peace here no matter who you play. It’s a gacha game.
I mentioned before but I thought her story was fun and entertaining. Nice visuals, a bit about her past and the musician who inspired her, and the consequences of the greedy corporate label trying to exert control. Was it perfect ? No. But I don’t think it has to be.
Pejo
Member
I feel like you're giving a lot of leeway to HoYo on this one, but difference of opinion. There were so many competing storylines here and they didn't do a good job of making them flow.
- Evelyn was a spy, we find out like halfway through the quest. No effect on Astra, she literally doesn't even care. Could have been an interesting plot point, never explored.
- Astra out of nowhere is diving a hollow on her own with no backup, a dangerous one that even a top tier organization like Victoria Housekeeping took many safety measures for. Astra has never even been shown to be capable of combat to begin with up until this point. Phaethon is just like "oh hey you, what a surprise!" and nobody questions anything.
- Two evil organizations are controlling Astra, one seems to be tied to an even worse organization that Evelyn used to work for. Astra knows about it but treats it like no biggie.
- Jorah (whatever his name is, the previous era singer) has a whole plot in and of itself, but it's rushed and under-explained, yet we're supposed to believe that his wife went total schizo a decade after he killed himself, and tried to kill thousands of people unchecked with no special skills/background/connections. Poor motivation since it'd been a long time since his death and how would she even know who the players were to drive him to "suicide"? She seemed like a lunatic idiot with the screentime she had, not an evil mastermind.
- Evelyn casual triple agenting around and fighting random mishmash bad guys that are all going to die if their plans succeed. Even the "leaders" like that guy with the mullet. Not to mention they are all the worst spies in the history of subterfuge.
- ZZZ has always been kinda goofy and loose with powers, but the power of magic making engines burn and control a giant flying disc arena? Has Astra always been able to do that? Why did the town not care/send support when they saw it faltering and falling into the city? How did she steer it back to the platform since the entire computer system was taken out?
I can have some suspension of disbelief with fiction, but this quest threw a lot of random non-sensical shit at us in rapid fire mode. The character moments and cutscenes were nice, sure, but the story was a fucking mess.
Were any of you guys able to clear stage 12 in the Roguelike arcade game in Godfinger? It's the last achievement I need for that arcade event and I can't find a good combo of main character + quality time companion. Most of them pick the queen character that can't regain health and start dying in a few seconds after level 8 or so.
Nekomata seems to be the best character I've found, but I can't make it past level 10 regardless.
Spyxos
Member
I couldn't do it last time. And now with mp is kinda even worse? My teammates are only dying. These are probably bots. I've been to lvl 11 so many times but unfortunately never made it. I also had the most success with Neko.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It has 15 stages, cleared it easy with nekomata. You need to prioritise luck and speed upgrades with her and limit the amount of companions you get to 2-4
Pejo
Member
So you can get the achievement on the solo version? I thought you had to do it in Quality time with an NPC helper (which actually makes it harder)
Yea the Quality time hangouts version at least has your teammate as a bot. I never thought to try it multiplayer with a real human, wonder if you can...
Reizo Ryuu
Member
no it's multiplayer only, so either npc or another player, I did it with another player, though he died in stage 15 and I had to clutch out the win.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The cutscene was all that was needed tbh, anything else would be unneeded exposition; we and the proxies see astra literally one shot an entire group of ethereals and even that's not really a big deal in the ZZZ world, hollow raiders destroy regular ethereals all the time, she was also in a companion hollow so it had a low threat rating anyway.
It's not magic, it's a harmonic engine, it just responds to her voice to activate, seems like a gimmick for use during her concerts normally, but the regular engines were destroyed/sabotaged, so they needed the harmonic engine to control the descent instead.
Pejo
Member
Disagree with this point. There are plenty of ways that they could have set it up that Astra can use her wand/microphone for self-defense before this quest started. Hell they could have just fixed the disbelief with a quick cutscene where Evelyne finds her fighting off a small group of Ethereals and saves her, so you control both characters which alleviates the problem with the scenario. But to assume Astra is just fine by herself with no proxy, no carrot, no backup, it's too much. Companion hollow or not, she's still mostly a pampered celebrity singer, not a combat expert. There was no guarantee that a proxy would even show up to take her commission, which is even more stupid. She just posted it as she was entering the Hollow.
You say it's not magic, but that sure sounds like magic to me. I don't think "Harmonic engines" have been brought up before or after that quest. If it's not magic, then it's a deus ex machina which is never a sign of good writing.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
no because then she wouldn't be self sufficient, which she is, she's not a damsel that needs saving, even with the ambush on stage she basically goes "oh? you're approaching me?".
Just because she's a high profile celeb doesn't mean she has to be as weak as a wet paper towel, she clearly knew what she was doing by going into that companion hollow and destroying the ethereals with a smile.
There's zero explanation as to why miyabi is as strong as she is, literally nothing, everyone in her bloodline had to use tailless after a blood sacrifice to be strong, she doesn't and nobody gives a shit because "she's cool" even though her entire build up was just "she's the strongest, why? dunno she just is."
Your phone responds when you say hey siri/google right? That's not magic, it's just voice activation, the engines respond to her voice as a concert gimmick, they aren't literally powered by her voice or used as the main engines.
Pejo
Member
But the entire rest of the story shows us that she isn't self-sufficient. Without Evelyn or the Proxies she's dead meat in any one of her official appearances. Her "power" comes from those engines and whatever the writers want to say that they can do, I guess.
Sure, but if you're bringing real world stuff into this, I can't tell Siri to "make this spaceship take off and take me 2 towns over and land it on top of a tower"
Anyways, just a difference of opinion I guess, since I'm in the minority here. I just don't think it was good storytelling from any angle. I had my problems with the 1.4 main story too, but at least it happened in a mostly cohesive way that made sense, if not a bit too heavy on the asspulls of "friendship is our strength" stuff.
Icymanipulator
Member
Evelyn doesn’t seem evil and Astra knows that, Evelyn clearly had a change of heart. Astra is a forgiving person?
Maybe Jorans wife had help?
Astra sings into her mic and it creates some kind of energy, I dunno but I also don’t care lol, it’s fine. It would be different if the entire game was grounded in reality, but it’s not. She attacks with her voice, I’m ok with this.
I enjoyed her quest more then basically all of Natlan in Genshin, so if the choice is more quests like Astras or more like Natlan, I will choose Astra every time.
Maybe Jorans wife had help?
Astra sings into her mic and it creates some kind of energy, I dunno but I also don’t care lol, it’s fine. It would be different if the entire game was grounded in reality, but it’s not. She attacks with her voice, I’m ok with this.
I enjoyed her quest more then basically all of Natlan in Genshin, so if the choice is more quests like Astras or more like Natlan, I will choose Astra every time.
Pejo
Member
I mean how shitty of a double agent spy would you be if you had your target (employer) wanting to get rid of you, but I get what you're saying. I would say naivety is a character trait of Astra, so that part isn't the worst.
Another point I didn't understand. Where did she get a military grade mecha all of the sudden? Why did she wait until the end to use it? Why was anyone willing to help her with her plan when they'd all die if she succeeded? I felt like her plot could have been removed entirely from the quest and it would have only made it better. That could have been a compelling chapter 2 of the story with a bit of a rework.
If that was the only problem, I agree, it's not a big deal on its own. It was just layer upon layer of stupid shit. Even still, I think this conversation went a bit far to what my point was. I didn't hate the quest, I just thought it was messy and badly written. Usually HoYo does a decent job of respecting the player by kind of having a basic flow and understanding of things, but this time they ass-pulled too many times for my tastes. It wasn't the worst character quest, wasn't even a bad one, but the writing was uncharacteristically poor. That's all I'm getting at. Miyabi and Lighter's quests weren't anything special as far as plot, but they were cohesive and didn't set off a bunch of red flags in my brain while I was reading it, that's all.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The screenshot mode is def fun
poser
a song of ice and fire
shobooken!
poser
a song of ice and fire
shobooken!
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
All good points here ma man, so I have to elaborate what I actually liked and that is the idea.
So you have this cool premise of spies infiltrating musical labels, you have this really down to Earth singer that inspires people while everything around them turned into shit and continues to do so, slowly but steadily, you have her relationship with Evelyn which is really cool and you like it just for that. But when you start diggin' deeper it's just a fuckin' mess or rushed af plot points, nonesensical events and happenings you literally can't explain based on what you knew about the game and it's world so far and a bunch of other things.
And so that's why I mentioned that it feels like a rushed af 20m TV episode, cuz you can only do so much with the playtime that was already set by the one month deadline and it's simply impossible to make something other than just okay with a great idea behind it. Like, you're delusional if you're expecting something like Macross level stuff out of what MHY is doing here. So again, the idea is great, the execution though leaves a lot to be desired. It feels like completely different people made this episode cuz for example Jane's stuff was great in comparison and the whole episode was also about infiltration.
Anyways, I think some of the stories in ZZZ (if not all of them) are simply not for adults who've seen, read, played, watched a lot during their lives and can question things and see all the faults and cracks in them, it's for the kids who don't know any better and simply don't care about it yet and that's the problem, meaning not the kids, but the way stuff is made for them and by MHY specifically as we're talking about their game here.
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I've a question for you guys, since 2.0 is relatively close. So, what exactly MHY did for Genshin and HSR specifically (since it's not open world like ZZZ) when they finally hit 2.0? Was it as refreshing and excellent as WuWa's 2.0? I'm just trying to at least have hope for 2.0 here in case maybe they're doing something behind the scenes that will refresh the game big time and fix all of our problems with it, or a big portion of them at least.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
They didn't do anything for genshin, but it was a big update for the next region and part of the story.
Dunno about star rail, but honkai they basically rebalanced all characters and added a little "open world" story to the game to tell the story of an actual new character, instead of a new version of an existing character,
Dunno about star rail, but honkai they basically rebalanced all characters and added a little "open world" story to the game to tell the story of an actual new character, instead of a new version of an existing character,
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Can it be compared to WuWa 2.0?
Oh yeah, I heard about that. This game had some serious shit with one of the character dying and all that, which makes ZZZ stuff look like a kindergarten in comparison.
On a side note in regards to Evelyn.
So I've been digin' Evelyn's kit (which you can do right now and in game) to check what they actually gave her in terms of discs, W-Engine, skills and all that and here's how it looks like:
So, depending on the luck you have with the discs and RNG, it's actually extremely easy to hit 80% Crit Rate with her without signature W-Engine and I actually gone too overboard with it in preparation to her launch
I mean, look at this:
80% flat without any timed buffs even, but here's the fun part:
I'm getting additional 28% from the fire set and since it's for 100% fire team I'm building her as well, burning state on enemies will be permanent and I don't even need to worry about this timed buff at all. And on top of that she has + ~15% from her core passives as well as additional ~30% from the Binding Seal. So it's over ~150% of Crit Rate with W-Engine which is broken as hell
So I ended up swapping Crit Rate disc and replacing it with Crit DMG one cuz it makes a lot more sense now that I know what her kit looks like. It could be a nice bonus to get flat Crit DMG from her W-Engine, but it really doesn't matter when it comes to story and SD. I might swap Pen Ratio to Attack or Fire DMG bonus after more testing in SD next week.
Bottom line for anyone who'll be pulling her - you don't need to get flat 80% Crit Rate cuz you can easily get it via disc set, her core passives and skills and especially if you're planning for 100% fire team with Lighter and Lucy (or even Astra cuz she's way better support with a focus on quick swapping to get attack buffs).
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