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[FreeY$L]

How do you guys figure out the placement for discs? Is there a method/goal behind it or whatever goes?

 

[Agent_4Seven]

How do you guys figure out the placement for discs? Is there a method/goal behind it or whatever goes?

The first 3 are always locked so it's HP, Attack and DEF when it comes to the primary stats. Now, 4, 5 and 6 are different and you need to see for which stats characters are made around and get the discs with proper main stats that will benefit the characters and their kits more. So Attack agents are built around Crit Rate / DMG and you need to focus on these stats and get these sub stats on discs, so for example - Disc 4 - Crit Rate or Crit DMG depending on which set you'll be using and its buffs and bonuses.

Same goes for other characters, but for stunners it's Impact (Disc 6) and for Supporters it's energy regen (Disc 6) or you can have energy regen disc sets instead and buff Attack (Disc 6 and maybe even 4 and 5) or whatever else which will benefit the character and the team as a whole. Also, you should also make it like this - 4 + 2, meaning 4 discs of the same set + two discs from the other set with desired bonus from 2 discs. Main stats are always highlighted on the main character screen so it's easy to figure out what you'll need.

That being said, it's not always so simple when it comes to disc 4-6 cuz you can mix things around, have a bonus from W-Engine and use disc sets to get another one and so on, plus and depending on the characters you have and which you'll be using on the team, you can have buff from them and use discs set to get a bonus to Attack instead of Elemental DMG (Fire, Ice etc.) cuz support character will have it anyway so you don't need it on your Attack character for example. But if you don't want to figure it out on your own, there's plenty of guides to help you with that online and you can check what other people did in game via recommendations.

It's not rocket science, but if you're aming for the end game content as well, then you need to figure it out, that is of course if you won't drop the game for some reason before you even get to that point after finishing story content and other stuff.

 

[FreeY$L]

The first 3 are locked always so it's HP, Attack and DEF when it comes to the primary stats. Now, 4, 5 and 6 are different and you need to see for which skills characters are made around and get the discs with proper main stats that will benefit the characters and their kits more. So Attack agents are built around Crit Rate / DMG and you need to focus on these stats and get these sub stats on discs, so for example - Disc 4 - Crit Rate or Crit DMG depending on which set you'll be using and its buffs and bonuses.

Same goes for other characters, but for stunners it's Impact (Disc 6) and for Supporters it's energy regen (Disc 6) or you can have energy regen disc sets instead and buff Attack (Disc 6 and maybe even 4 and 5) or whatever else which will benefit the character and the team as a whole. Also, you should also make it like this - 4 + 2, meaning 4 discs of the same set + two discs from the other set with desired bonus from 2 discs. Main stats are always highlighted on the main character screen so it's easy to figure out what you'll need.

That being said, it's not always so simple when it comes to disc 4-6 cuz you can mix things around, have a bonus from W-Engine and use disc sets to get another one and so on, plus and depending on the characters you have and which you'll be using on the team, you can have buff from them and use discs set to get have a bonus to Attack instead of Elemental DMG cuz support character will have it anyway so you don't need it on your Attack character for example. But if you don't want to figure it out on your own, there's plenty of guides to help you with that online and you can check what other people did in game via recommendations.

It's not rocket science, but if you're aming for the end game content as well, then you need to figure it out, that is of course if you won't drop the game for some reason before you even get to that point after finishing story content and other stuff.

I just click L3 when it comes to discs and see what the community recommends based on usage stats the game provides. For endgame content, i usually power through. Yanagai/Astra/Miyabi got me through ether concentration 6 on withering garden this past weekend. Lost void aswell is no problem. S-Ranked all SD missions so i must be doing something right. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

You don't always have to go 4-2 discs, sometimes 2-2-2 is good too, heck 3-3 or 2-2-1-1 can be viable too depending on the stats you've rolled; I have 2-2-2 on a couple characters because the situational 4 piece bonus doesn't really do that much for them in exchange for the permanent 2 piece bonus and better rolls.

 

[Icymanipulator]

You don't always have to go 4-2 discs, sometimes 2-2-2 is good too, heck 3-3 or 2-2-1-1 can be viable too depending on the stats you've rolled; I have 2-2-2 on a couple characters because the situational 4 piece bonus doesn't really do that much for them in exchange for the permanent 2 piece bonus and better rolls.

I have Ben on a 2-2-2
Energy regain
Impact
Defense

I just click L3 when it comes to discs and see what the community recommends based on usage stats the game provides. For endgame content, i usually power through. Yanagai/Astra/Miyabi got me through ether concentration 6 on withering garden this past weekend. Lost void aswell is no problem. S-Ranked all SD missions so i must be doing something right. Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, this is the way. Check what the community is using. I do this as well. Works great.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Well, I guess I'm one of those people who wasting a lot of mats and does more grind for perfect rolls and 4+2.

I mean, most of the discs have great x4 buffs and bonuses though, like already mentioned basically permanent +28% Crit Rate in the fire team.
But hey, you do you ma dudes, as long as it works better for what you need

 

[Agent_4Seven]

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Finished pre-farming most of her mats yesterday. Now I'm just waiting for her banner to drop in the game.

 

[Spyxos]

Haha, finally got Rina. And I am almost at the 300 selector for Lycon. Not sure who to build now. If only they had come earlier.

 

[SSfox]

Haha, finally got Rina. And I am almost at the 300 selector for Lycon. Not sure who to build now. If only they had come earlier.

Nice! I am almost at 300 pulls don't have both Rina and Lycon, I'll wait until I get one of them before using the selector ticket cause I want both. Don't have grace and soldat but I'm fine without lol

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Haha, finally got Rina. And I am almost at the 300 selector for Lycon. Not sure who to build now. If only they had come earlier.

I love Rina, but I'd say go for Lycaon first cuz he's great stunner for mono Ice team with Miyabi.

 

[Icymanipulator]

So much great art for this game

 

[Spyxos]

They are getting thick....

 

[Pejo]

They are getting thick....

Aka the "Miyabi effect". I could see this coming a mile away.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

131 pulls to get astra

 

[Spyxos]

131 pulls to get astra

You have 4 weeks to get her. And you only need 30ish pulls.

 

[Pejo]

After playing around with Astra, I find her use case to be kinda limited so far. I've tried her with all sorts of team setups, and she hasn't been a "game changer" for any of them as far as kill times. I'm guessing some new upcoming units are going to depend on her in some way. I like her quickswap style gameplay, but rarely does quickswap seem like the most useful gameplay style. Maybe for Disorder-heavy teams, but Yanagi and Miyabi to a lesser extent already dominate those teams without any need for Astra or Quickswap.

I don't regret rolling for her, but I do wish her impact was a little more visible. One nice thing she does is bring up the usefulness of bad/outdated characters, so that's always nice for people that are fans of characters like S11/Nekomata/Piper.

I'm probably not gonna roll for Evelyn unless her demo shows some huge part of her kit that I was missing from her combat in Astra's story mode. I really wanna guarantee S-rank Anby + engine and hopefully a copy of Trigger next patch. I don't think Evelyn will stay relevant very long. She's giving me Zhu Yuan vibes who nobody uses despite her still being the "best" Ether dps option.

Speaking of, do you guys have any regrets as far as characters you've rolled? I regret Zhu Yuan (just hate her gameplay and her team vs. Ether weak content can be brute forced with off-element teams with better results) and to a degree I regret Ellen. That's not really her fault though, but Miyabi just shits on her from space not only in strength, but also in fun factor. Being locked into doing slow charge attacks to "unlock" her kit was a stupid move in retrospect, in a game with so many timed DPS check modes.

 

[Spyxos]

Speaking of, do you guys have any regrets as far as characters you've rolled? I regret Zhu Yuan (just hate her gameplay and her team vs. Ether weak content can be brute forced with off-element teams with better results) and to a degree I regret Ellen. That's not really her fault though, but Miyabi just shits on her from space not only in strength, but also in fun factor. Being locked into doing slow charge attacks to "unlock" her kit was a stupid move in retrospect, in a game with so many timed DPS check modes.

Probably Yanagi. She's a great character and was very useful for my teams, but I always wanted Lighter more. But since he was so close to Miyabi, I unfortunately had to skip him.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

After playing around with Astra, I find her use case to be kinda limited so far. I've tried her with all sorts of team setups, and she hasn't been a "game changer" for any of them as far as kill times.

She immediately drastically reduced my shiyu times, my jane/seth team was upwards of 4.5 minutes on shiyu 7, now it's 2.5; the 3500 attack she gives to jane and seth is pretty insane, especially considering seth's very high dmg multipliers; I bet she's completely busted on 11/lighter team as well.

I maintain she's one of the most important pulls in the game, since she'll elevate any team you put her on, bar the ones that are already highly synergistic like miyabi/lighter/lucy.

 

[Icymanipulator]

I still like and use Zhu, but ya, she’s slowly getting left behind.
I also plan to skip Evelyn as my fire team is still kicking ass easily, and I also want Silver Anby as regular Anby is one of my favs, and she also has among the best revealing art for M6, I like it so much I actually use it over Nicole’s M6 art even tho Nicole is my favorite.

 

[FreeY$L]

Ellen sucks like goddamn, what a waste of polychromes

 

[Spyxos]

Ellen sucks like goddamn, what a waste of polychromes

Did you only get her now?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Ellen and Zhu Yuan feel kind of clunky to play now, but I don't regret pulling for them, even if in Ellen's case I went to hard pity to get her. Oh and I did say in the past that I'll continue to pull for characters that are interesting to me, and that doesn't necessarily mean they should also be meta or whatever (well I did go ham for Miyabi and her weapon, but I said since week 1 of playing this game that she was one of the units I was looking forward to the most).

Anyway, I'm mostly playing ZZZ for the characters, the story, and some of the more interesting minigames and/or events.

 

[Icymanipulator]

So I just found out there is “zoomed out art” for some M6s… are these for real?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZenlessZoneZero/s/YHo5c4dP3h

Didn’t want to post the pictures themselves here as they are quite…steamy

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

are these for real?

no, fanart by this artist on pixiv

 

[Aenima]

Speaking of, do you guys have any regrets as far as characters you've rolled? I regret Zhu Yuan (just hate her gameplay and her team vs. Ether weak content can be brute forced with off-element teams with better results) and to a degree I regret Ellen. That's not really her fault though, but Miyabi just shits on her from space not only in strength, but also in fun factor. Being locked into doing slow charge attacks to "unlock" her kit was a stupid move in retrospect, in a game with so many timed DPS check modes.

I dont really regret anyone cuz i pull based on looks and if they are usefull to my team at the time. (Reason i never pull on Dooods banners) If i like how a character looks, i pull, if the character is good i use it. Saying that i also always hated Zhu Yuan fighting style and never played good with her. Ellen carried me untill Jane Doe changed the game so no regrets. Hoyoverse gonna eventually powercrep every character to make ppl pull for the new ones. Miyabi might be the only character that will remain strong for a good while, but im expecting Hoyo to keep power creep everyone else with each new update.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Speaking of, do you guys have any regrets as far as characters you've rolled? I regret Zhu Yuan (just hate her gameplay and her team vs. Ether weak content can be brute forced with off-element teams with better results) and to a degree I regret Ellen. That's not really her fault though, but Miyabi just shits on her from space not only in strength, but also in fun factor. Being locked into doing slow charge attacks to "unlock" her kit was a stupid move in retrospect, in a game with so many timed DPS check modes.

Well, isn't it suppose to be almost everyone you pulled at some point when better characters are released? Like, wouldn't it be better if I didn't pull Qingyi and got Trigger instead in 2.2? For sure! But at the time it was either Anby or Qingyi and... well I'm sorry, but A rank Anby is complete pos in terms of combat just like S11. Qingyi is great for grouping enemies and stun a good number of them at ones, but she's like to stand in one spot, not move around and she doesn't have any evasive moves and such to help her not rely on counters. So do I regret pulling her now that I know Trigger is better? Yes. Do I regret pulling her at the time of release? Absolutely not.

There's a lot of "hate" on Zhu here and I just don't get it. Yes, she relies heavily on accumulated bullets, but you can get almost 80% of them back via EX attack which gets better only with more of her dupes, which sucks, yes, but it doesn't bother me personally. What I hate about her and frankly it's not even her problem... but lock-on system in the game FUCKIN' SUCKS AAAAAASSSSS! Big time! I can't goddamn believe that it's been ~8 months and they still can't offer different lock-on options and make it work better, fuckin' ZERO improvements since launch. WTF? I just know that Zhu could be so much better if the game would actually allow for better fuckin control of her, where she shoots and all that cuz it's infuriating the way it works now. Anyway, Zhu's DMG output is insane with great discs and even without her W-Engine, but the catch is, you need to inflict Ether anomaly first to maximize DMG of her Ult as well.

If there's something I truly regret in regards to pulls in ZZZ.... it's probably Lighter (it was a mistake on my part to build pitty), cuz instead of him I could've get Yanagi faster and I'm just not a fun of his design and outfit in the game at all. I guess since he works great with Evelyn it wasn't a complete waste but... still. Speaking of which, 50 pulls and stll no Evelyn. I've like 112 pulls left and if I don't get her in another 20 (which is equivalted of monthly sub I aleady paid for months ago, or pulls I get from phase two events), then whatever, I'll save 100% for Sanby and then get Trigger. I mean, the last time I got Miyabi in just 3 pulls after losing 50/50% so fuck this shit, already wasted 50 goddamn pulls (got 6 of them back but whatever, still used too much).

 

[FreeY$L]

Did you only get her now?

Figured i need another Ice Agent even though i forgot i had Lycaon, played her for a little bit and realized i hated the mechanic of holding sprint and square to charge her ice and apply ice damage. I like the Scythe she carries tho.

 

[Spyxos]

Lost Evelyn 50/50 to m1 Rina. So now Burnice has to work overtime.

 

[Aenima]

I was just 1 pull away from unistalling this POS. Fucking hell, another 150 pulls just to get a new character and on top of that lost the 50/50 to a character i already have. Still missing Nekomata, Rina and Lycaon. (Not counting all the limited characters i had to skip)

So my last 3 banners went like this:
- 160 pulls to get Yanagi
- 140 pulls to get Miyabi
- 150 pulls to get Evelyn

Now i will probably never get Trigger and have to keep playing without a stunner.

FU HOYO

The only good thing, is knowing i dont spend any real money on this POS company and never will.

 

[Wonko_C]

I lack a good fire DPS. I was planning on pulling both Astra and Evelyn, but I got myself carried away by a video that advised it was better to pull for M1 Astra instead of her W-engine (losing the first 50/50 to Soldier 11 and the second 50/50 to Rina... at least I didn't have those Agents).

Got super poor because of this and managed to claw my way back to 25000 polychromes by achievement hunting+Arcade games now and kind of want to risk it all for Evelyn+W-engine, but I also only have Anby and Lycaon for stun (I can only do 7 stars max in Deadly assault) and maybe I should pull Qingyi rerun/wait for trigger and just start upgrading that Soldier 11 I wasn't planning on pulling.

Decisions, decisions. (Good thing Evelyn/Qingyi's banner will stick for a while)

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I was just 1 pull away from unistalling this POS. Fucking hell, another 150 pulls just to get a new character and on top of that lost the 50/50 to a character i already have.

It took me fuckin' 74 pulls. Needless to say, I'm mad

I've 92 pulls left and I don't think it's possible to get both SAnby and Trigger, has to be only one + W-Engine (depends on how good it is and on 1.7 leaks).

Spoiler

Still missing Nekomata

You've missed nothing, honestly, not to mention you have Jane.

So my last 3 banners went like this:
- 160 pulls to get Yanagi
- 140 pulls to get Miyabi
- 150 pulls to get Evelyn

Now i will probably never get Trigger and have to keep playing without a stunner.

FU HOYO

The only good thing, is knowing i dont spend any real money on this POS company and never will.

I honestly don't know how you can possibly even get the character you need without paying with such luck, I guess only by skipping a bunch of them for whatever reason, not to mention that W-Engines are complete out of question.

WuWa has way better pitty system (no 50/50, 75/25 instead and untill you lose it, then it's 100% and back to 75/25) and there's always 100% guarantee on signature and standard weapons, so you'll get it no matter what within the set number of pulls.

Got super poor because of this and managed to claw my way back to 25000 polychromes by achievement hunting+Arcade games now and kind of want to risk it all for Evelyn+W-engine, but I also only have Anby and Lycaon for stun (I can only do 7 stars max in Deadly assault) and maybe I should pull Qingyi rerun/wait for trigger and just start upgrading that Soldier 11 I wasn't planning on pulling.

Decisions, decisions. (Good thing Evelyn/Qingyi's banner will stick for a while)

Good lord
I can't imagine the worst grind than this. I mean, the latest arcade game is excellent, but the rest of them are complete pos.

I lack a good fire DPS. I was planning on pulling both Astra and Evelyn, but I got myself carried away by a video that advised it was better to pull for M1 Astra instead of her W-engine (losing the first 50/50 to Soldier 11 and the second 50/50 to Rina... at least I didn't have those Agents).

There's no two 50/50s there's 75/25 and you lost it. At this point... Idk, unless you'll die without Evelyn, just don't bother and build S11 instead. Her gameplay is not the best but it gets the job done for SD np, unless they're downgrade her in one of the updates on purpose. You've 100% now so.... choose wisely.

Thick Thighs Save Lives ma man, I'm afraid to ask but...

How are things on your end?

 

[Spyxos]

I lack a good fire DPS. I was planning on pulling both Astra and Evelyn, but I got myself carried away by a video that advised it was better to pull for M1 Astra instead of her W-engine (losing the first 50/50 to Soldier 11 and the second 50/50 to Rina... at least I didn't have those Agents).

Got super poor because of this and managed to claw my way back to 25000 polychromes by achievement hunting+Arcade games now and kind of want to risk it all for Evelyn+W-engine, but I also only have Anby and Lycaon for stun (I can only do 7 stars max in Deadly assault) and maybe I should pull Qingyi rerun/wait for trigger and just start upgrading that Soldier 11 I wasn't planning on pulling.

Decisions, decisions. (Good thing Evelyn/Qingyi's banner will stick for a while)

I wouldn't pull for Quingi in rerun especially when trigger is almost there.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

There's no two 50/50s there's 75/25 and you lost it.

he lost the 50/50 and got 11, then he got astra, then he lost the 50/50 to rina, and then he got C1 astra.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I wouldn't pull for Quingi in rerun especially when trigger is almost there.

100% agree. Trigger will be ways better, but she's 40+ days away.

he lost the 50/50 and got 11, then he got astra, then he lost the 50/50 to rina, and then he got C1 astra.

Oh, ma bad, so back to 50/50 again.... will definitely lose it again then.

Wonko_C let's forget about Evelyn for a sec, what are your 1.6 plans if you have any? The reason I'm asking is bc the chances of you getting Evelyn are 50/50 again, it might take almost all the pulls required and you might waste them so Idk if it's worth it. S11 will get you through SD with the help of Astra and by doing that you'll save all the pulls for 1.6.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Decisions, decisions. (Good thing Evelyn/Qingyi's banner will stick for a while)

You currently have 11, evelyn is probably about 1.5x stronger in ideal situations and them both being C0.
You currently have 11, the next update will feature more characters from her squad.
You currently have astra, C1 even, she should boost 11's dps quite a bit.

Qingyi is a good pull with proven usefulness, the next update will have another that fills her role, though she might do more single target daze than Qingyi, while Qingyi also has aoe use.

This means I'd personally consider both evelyn and qingyi a skip, and the real next pulls would be for anby and trigger.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Managed to snag Evelyn at 80 pulls (won my 50/50), so I'm very happy with that since the last 50/50 I won was all the way back with Jane Doe, lol.

cc Agent_4Seven

 

[Wonko_C]

100% agree. Trigger will be ways better, but she's 40+ days away.


Oh, ma bad, so back to 50/50 again.... will definitely lose it again then.

Wonko_C let's forget about Evelyn for a sec, what are your 1.6 plans if you have any? The reason I'm asking is bc the chances of you getting Evelyn are 50/50 again, it might take almost all the pulls required and you might waste them so Idk if it's worth it. S11 will get you through SD with the help of Astra and by doing that you'll save all the pulls for 1.6.

You currently have 11, evelyn is probably about 1.5x stronger in ideal situations and them both being C0.
You currently have 11, the next update will feature more characters from her squad.
You currently have astra, C1 even, she should boost 11's dps quite a bit.

Qingyi is a good pull with proven usefulness, the next update will have another that fills her role, though she might do more single target daze than Qingyi, while Qingyi also has aoe use.

This means I'd personally consider both evelyn and qingyi a skip, and the real next pulls would be for anby and trigger.

Yeah I'm leaning to skipping Evelyn/Qingyi and waiting for 1.6. I don't really have any plans for 1.6 yet (except for getting Pulchra. but that's rumored to be free A-rank anyway). SAnby IDK yet, I've been getting by with Harumasa for electric attack so maybe I should hold off on getting yet another electric attack character for now.

I really regret not having Burnice and/or Caesar at this point. As both agents open up a variety of team comps I currently lack.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Managed to snag Evelyn at 80 pulls (won my 50/50), so I'm very happy with that since the last 50/50 I won was all the way back with Jane Doe, lol.

cc Agent_4Seven

Thank god!

This means I'd personally consider both evelyn and qingyi a skip, and the real next pulls would be for anby and trigger.

I second this

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Yeah I'm leaning to skipping Evelyn/Qingyi and waiting for 1.6. I don't really have any plans for 1.6 yet (except for getting Pulchra. but that's rumored to be free A-rank anyway). SAnby IDK yet, I've been getting by with Harumasa for electric attack so maybe I should hold off on getting yet another electric attack character for now.

Get Trigger, skip SAnby. Pulchra is 100% free, the thing is though... they might fuck you over and release her with SAnby and only by pulling her you'll get Pulchra and all her dupes - I can guarantee that it is exactly what they'll do. If you don't need her dupes, you can get her in 10-20 pulls and call it a day until the next 75% rate up.

I really regret not having Burnice and/or Caesar at this point. As both agents open up a variety of team comps I currently lack.

I would argue that Caesar is the second best Support character in the game along with Astra and especially with her W-Engine. Burnice's main thing is to apply Burn (which she does relatively quickly up to two times before you need to refuel) for Jane to then trigger massive disorder DMG along with assault. I use Brunice in Jane -> Burnice -> Caesar team.

 

[FreeY$L]

Pulled soldier 11 fml

 

[Pejo]

Congrats on those of you that got Evelyn, sympathies for those that lost 50/50.

I'll be putting some time into her demo to see if I'm interested, but as of now I'm still leaning towards skip. She got rated a tier below Miyabi on most tier lists (duh), but seems to be strong. I also read that her "spin" moves (such as powered up held EX) are full i-frame, so that might help with her clunkiness that I experienced when messing around with her in Astra's story.

I'm more surprised upon logging in that there doesn't seem to be any new content for the 2nd half of this patch? At least no major content. I'm sure they'll throw some stupid fucking bangboo minigame at us again in a few days.

 

[Icymanipulator]

After seeing some reviews on Evelyn I’m tempted to pull her, but the fact that it would cause me to potentially miss out on Silver Anby makes it so I will just continue to save.

Evelyn does look good and she seems powerful (for a non void hunter) and reviews generally seem positive about her, but ya, can’t justify it when it means I could miss S.Anby.

 

[Aenima]

Congrats on those of you that got Evelyn, sympathies for those that lost 50/50.

I'll be putting some time into her demo to see if I'm interested, but as of now I'm still leaning towards skip. She got rated a tier below Miyabi on most tier lists (duh), but seems to be strong. I also read that her "spin" moves (such as powered up held EX) are full i-frame, so that might help with her clunkiness that I experienced when messing around with her in Astra's story.

Dunno how really strong she is compared to other attack characters, but i already fully evolved my Evelyn and was just farming disks. The enemies had fire resistance so i was taking around 1 minute 30 seconds to finish 1 round. Then i took my Miyabi team and finished the round in less than 30 seconds

Shes fun to play though and shes hot as fuck too look at, but i bet S Amby going to be the best attacker in the game just below Miyabi. I also wanted to build a fire team so im finally evolving my Koleda to use her with Evelyn in a fire team. I have Yanagi so dont see much need to pull for an S Amby even if i think S Amby gonna powercreep Yanagi. But im a huge fan of my mommy secretary. I use her in my main team with Miyabi.

I honestly don't know how you can possibly even get the character you need without paying with such luck, I guess only by skipping a bunch of them for whatever reason, not to mention that W-Engines are complete out of question.

WuWa has way better pitty system (no 50/50, 75/25 instead and untill you lose it, then it's 100% and back to 75/25) and there's always 100% guarantee on signature and standard weapons, so you'll get it no matter what within the set number of pulls.

I dont get the character i want, i only get some of them. Im forced to skip alot of usefull characers to me because this POS stingy gacha rates and pitty system + shitty luck. And yeah, engines are not even in my mind while playing Hoyo games. Only Engine i pulled was for Miyabi cuz without her engine she felt undewealming. Only got her engine after 80 pulls because why not? Im just glad i didnt lost the 75/25. Only 2 characters i got earlier was Ellen at 30 pulls and Burnice at 50 pulls, everyone else needed 70 or much more pulls to get.

WuWa gacha system is not much better but is less stingy in everething. The drop rates in WuWa are 0.8% instead of 0.6% from ZZZ, the pitty is at 80 pulls and not at 90 pulls like ZZZ, and as you said the weapon banner is 100% so in worst case scenario you wont spend more than 80 pulls to get the banner weapon.

The only 2 gacha games i play where i get ALL the characters i want is in Nikke and Brown Dust 2. They have high drop rates and you can stack pitty to spend it whenever you want cuz the pitty wont reset when you get a character.
They are also much more generous so you get alot of free pulls (During the Holidays season Nikke gave away more than 100 free pulls while Brown Dust 2 that was also celebrating the 1.5 annyversary gave away more than 500 free pulls) The pitty is in form of tickets that dont expire, and you can just hord them as much as you like and the spend wisely. (Brown Dust 2 use multiple pitty systems, its ridiculous how easy this devs makes you to get the characters you want) In Nikke i only use the pitty tickets in Pilgrim banners cuz pilgrim units have lower drop rates so instead of using the gacha i go straight to the store and trade the tickets for the Pilgrim unit and get the new character without even using the gacha system. Also in both these games most of the characters are added to the normal banner, so even if you'r low on resorces and need to skip, you will eventually get them from normal or limited pulls. Only seasonal characters and characters from colabs are limited, collab units usually dont rerun (FOMO), but seasonal characters rerun.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

There's a fairly large gap between everyone (C0) and miyabi(C0) dps wise, especially if you have either yanagi or lighter to support her.
yanagi and jane are fairly close to each other, with jane being better against multiple enemies, and evelyn seems to perform the same as jane, but I'd still rate her lower because jane's assault is uniquely destructive in a way that's hard to match.
After them it's harumasa, burnice, zhu yuan, ellen; as I posted before this is because they don't have something special like the others, they just do a lot of burst damage (harumasa and zhu yuan especially) and then they just fuck off while you build their resources again.

For anby to break the top 3 she's going to either need something special to interact with her damage, or simply have huge multipliers like seth and just 'unga-bunga' her way to victory, otherwise I don't see her doing much better than harumasa.
That said it is anby, poster girl, holding back, trained the soldiers etc., I can see them wanting to do something special with her, but they also have to consider being careful this not becoming powercreep city already, so I think jane/evelyn is going to be the baseline for "strong" characters going forward for a bit, this way pulling for strong support like lighter/astra stays a good option for anyone who couldn't get the latest dps; if trigger fulfills the same role lighter does, but for other elements, she becomes an easy must pull as well.

 

[Pejo]

There's a fairly large gap between everyone (C0) and miyabi(C0) dps wise, especially if you have either yanagi or lighter to support her.
yanagi and jane are fairly close to each other, with jane being better against multiple enemies, and evelyn seems to perform the same as jane, but I'd still rate her lower because jane's assault is uniquely destructive in a way that's hard to match.
After them it's harumasa, burnice, zhu yuan, ellen; as I posted before this is because they don't have something special like the others, they just do a lot of burst damage (harumasa and zhu yuan especially) and then they just fuck off while you build their resources again.

For anby to break the top 3 she's going to either need something special to interact with her damage, or simply have huge multipliers like seth and just 'unga-bunga' her way to victory, otherwise I don't see her doing much better than harumasa.
That said it is anby, poster girl, holding back, trained the soldiers etc., I can see them wanting to do something special with her, but they also have to consider being careful this not becoming powercreep city already, so I think jane/evelyn is going to be the baseline for "strong" characters going forward for a bit, this way pulling for strong support like lighter/astra stays a good option for anyone who couldn't get the latest dps; if trigger fulfills the same role lighter does, but for other elements, she becomes an easy must pull as well.

Yea I think you bring up good points. I like Anby a lot, so I'm biased, but I hope she does get an "elevated" mechanic to make her desirable over Yanagi or Haramusa for Electric content. I would hate to see powercreep blast the game like that, on the other hand. Wish they'd save some of these "hype" characters for anniversaries or something.

 

[Aenima]

There's a fairly large gap between everyone (C0) and miyabi(C0) dps wise, especially if you have either yanagi or lighter to support her.
yanagi and jane are fairly close to each other, with jane being better against multiple enemies, and evelyn seems to perform the same as jane, but I'd still rate her lower because jane's assault is uniquely destructive in a way that's hard to match.
After them it's harumasa, burnice, zhu yuan, ellen; as I posted before this is because they don't have something special like the others, they just do a lot of burst damage (harumasa and zhu yuan especially) and then they just fuck off while you build their resources again.

For anby to break the top 3 she's going to either need something special to interact with her damage, or simply have huge multipliers like seth and just 'unga-bunga' her way to victory, otherwise I don't see her doing much better than harumasa.
That said it is anby, poster girl, holding back, trained the soldiers etc., I can see them wanting to do something special with her, but they also have to consider being careful this not becoming powercreep city already, so I think jane/evelyn is going to be the baseline for "strong" characters going forward for a bit, this way pulling for strong support like lighter/astra stays a good option for anyone who couldn't get the latest dps; if trigger fulfills the same role lighter does, but for other elements, she becomes an easy must pull as well.

The S Amby has a new mechanic, forgot the name but its focused on putting a target on an enemy and then dealing extra damage. Trigger from a footage i saw i got the impression she gonna be an off field stunner. I saw the player controling S Amby while Trigger was popping in and out to shoot the enemy without being controlled.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Trigger from a footage i saw i got the impression she gonna be an off field stunner.

That could still make her very valuable, it could turn her into a universal stunner that fits every team where you just keep your dps on field at all time while looping free stuns.
But we'll see.

 

[Pejo]

The S Amby has a new mechanic, forgot the name but its focused on putting a target on an enemy and then dealing extra damage. Trigger from a footage i saw i got the impression she gonna be an off field stunner. I saw the player controling S Amby while Trigger was popping in and out to shoot the enemy without being controlled.

I'm gonna have to scour the leaks, I wanna see what Anby's gimmick is after that teaser.