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What time is it?
Like anything Activision related, once something finds success they iterate quickly and release sequel after sequel until their consumer base fatigues and the move onto the next cash cow. Luckily for them, COD seems eternal.
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Tony Hawk 4 wont have career mode
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Like anything Activision related, once something finds success they iterate quickly and release sequel after sequel until their consumer base fatigues and the move onto the next cash cow. Luckily for them, COD seems eternal.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
1. It's an XGS game, so I'm not sure you'd think they wouldn't know.
2. It's on the official website as well.
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I opened this thinking Jesus that would be nuts to have career mode, absolute bullshit as normal then.
HRK69
Gold Member
Maybe you can convince them, given that you know it better.
I'm sure you have the development credentials to back up that statement, right?
fart town usa
Member
Exactly.
I don't know if the other titles had it but THPS2 had a realism mode, it still wasn't "realistic" but you wouldn't ollie as high so you were kind of forced to approach things in a more realistic manner. I dumped hours into vanilla THPS2 and realism mode. THPS2 also had levels that you would actually skate in real life. Like School 1 and 2 have so many real life California skate spots, I was a skater back then so it was awesome seeing places I'd seen in skate tapes.
The levels were also more restrained, there were all kinds of crazy sections but linking stuff together only came from skill and experimentation. I remember many levels in THPS3, the crazy links were simply baked into the design and the giant score requirements, did not enjoy it at all.
kevboard
Member
wow... and people still think modern game development isn't absolutely and completely fucked beyond belief.
Neversoft developed the fucking entirety of THPS4 in about 1 year back in 2002.
they released Underground only 1 year after that... and Underground 2 another 1 year after the first Underground.
THPS - 1999
THPS2 - 2000
THPS3 - 2001
THPS4 - 2002
THUG - 2003
THUG2 - 2004
THAW - 2005
THP8 - 2006
all of them developed by Neversoft and ported to numerous systems by other studios, including what was basically a full demake of THPS4 to make it run on PS1 by Vicarious Visions.
and even Vicarious Visions tried to keep the THPS4 mission structure in the game, albeit with some necessary cutbacks.
and today it is apparently impossible to recreate the fucking mission structure of a PS2 game within the scope of a remake...
that is absolutely insane.
the brain-drain in mainstream game development studios is next level it seems.
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fart town usa
Member
Skate 3 is awesome. I still play it here and there, I hope the DLC comes with it.
Skate 1 actually had the best city but you couldn't get off your board. Skate 2 had a revamped Skate 1 city (the lore is that an earthquake destroyed the city and the rebuilt version is the same city but slightly altered).
Skate 3 doesn't have a full city, it has large maps, it had more of a focus on coop (skate teams) than 1&2. I can't remember if 1 had any online.
But yea, definitely get Skate 3, it's just as fun and 1&2. Crazy impressive series that I dumped hundreds of hours into.
Puscifer
Member
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I said it at least a dozen times already that the fact it took them the same length of time to REMAKE Silent Hill 2 that it took in the same length of time to make 2-4 tells me how bad it is.
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kevboard
Member
it gets even worse when we compare the circumstances of SH2 vs SH2 remake.
Konami made a proprietary engine, had to create their own lighting system that allowed for real time flashlight shadows, and did that on a brand new and hard to develop for system at a time where standardisation of APIs, CPUs and GPUs wasn't a thing yet.
SH4 even used 2 different proprietary in-house engines, the SH2/SH3 engine for the apartment and the MGS3 engine for the rest of the game. they had to cobble together 2 engines...
Bloober on the other hand uses a licenced engine, one that already has a built in lighting system that works almost by itself because it's designed for ease of use.
Kings Field
Member
Dropped the series after 3 and when Skate came out I never looked back.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
Probably the biggest factor is un-PC content I bet.
It's cool the way early 2000s games are treated like racist 1940s Looney Tunes, the Hawkman says SLAP A JAP, BUY WAR BONDS.
It's cool the way early 2000s games are treated like racist 1940s Looney Tunes, the Hawkman says SLAP A JAP, BUY WAR BONDS.
Also, I don't want to shit on the remake just yet... but geez... the visual clarity really is lost with modern graphics.
originals were simple. Things you had to do stood out.
NeverYouMind
Member
I had that problem with Xbox Series version of THPS1+2. Changing the version to Xbox One version improved clarity and toned down those effects along with making everything load more seamlessly.Also, I don't want to shit on the remake just yet... but geez... the visual clarity really is lost with modern graphics.
originals were simple. Things you had to do stood out.
I am probably one of the only people that never liked the mission format of THPS4 and avoided it like the plague. The idea that it is returned to classic runs is a dream come true for me. I hope they have the bizzaro old gen Rio de Janeiro Downhill level for THPS3.
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Gambit2483
Member
Should have known something was up when it was announced as a Day one Gamepass game.
Damn.
Damn.
LordCBH
Member
This studio should be fired from making anymore remakes on this series.
TMLT
Member
Thats weird and lazy. Makes it seem like a cash grab.
Ironically the THPS games that would benefit most from a remaster are Underground and American Wasteland. Precisely because the more elaborate goals, bigger levels etc (something that was partially introduced in 4) give it a lot more scope to work with.
Ironically the THPS games that would benefit most from a remaster are Underground and American Wasteland. Precisely because the more elaborate goals, bigger levels etc (something that was partially introduced in 4) give it a lot more scope to work with.
Puscifer
Member
Andythps talked about it, being that it's unreal engine it just seems so damn weird to go this route. Gonna be really embarrassing if the unreal mod tools let some crazy person port them all in within a couple months
Puscifer
Member
I adored American Wasteland, it had such a teenage 2000s vibe.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Because they want to streamline all 4 titles. But even so, your title is factually wrong. Ofcourse THERE IS a campaign mode, its just been altered. Dont spread crap and made up nonsense. You make it sound as if there is only free-skate and no goals, just random skating.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
They had to have changed the speed of the TH1+2 remasters compared to the originals because the new ones are way harder imo ...I don't think it's just a matter of us getting old
kevboard
Member
...uh... I had no issues with the remake.
the slightly improved controls and the additional moves brought in from 3 and 4 made it a lot easier in fact.
I actually felt more in control than ever before. I played the originals as a kid and was always pretty mediocre at them. I was decent in THPS4, because I played it the longest out of all of them. but THPS1+2 felt easier to me.
maybe I just got batter at games in general
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NeverYouMind
Member
Remake is a lot less lenient on landing trick time/angle and has less max speed and verticality. The mod options can change it up though. One called "no bails" let me do enough to get gold in the bull ring as getting gold in remake is like pulling teeth for most competitions (failing a trick usually takes me out of the running even with a high score).
P.S. I remember cheesing a lot of Tony Hawk 2 with Moon Mode code after beating it with the first skater. Good times.
When are people going to understand the gamepass subscription game filler effect on game development. Eliminate features, strip down games, shrink games for rapid consumption take short cuts. Keeps happening but people keep refusing to believe it. Been happening to even the bigger titles under MS.
Avowed, Forza, Halo, Hellblade and it conitnues. I pray Nintendo and Sony don't go down this road.
Avowed, Forza, Halo, Hellblade and it conitnues. I pray Nintendo and Sony don't go down this road.
Mephisto40
Member
You'd be better off just spending your money on THPS1+2
Not too unhappy with this for a number of reasons.
1. Nobody thought this was ever gonna come out anyway, it's a bonus as far as I'm concerned and I'll take it as it is.
2. I play on PC where modders should eventually mod everything back into the game.
3. I would have taken it just for TPHS3, that game was my childhood.
1. Nobody thought this was ever gonna come out anyway, it's a bonus as far as I'm concerned and I'll take it as it is.
2. I play on PC where modders should eventually mod everything back into the game.
3. I would have taken it just for TPHS3, that game was my childhood.
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MMaRsu
Member
Thats not at all what Im saying and Ive clearly stated that
Gp1
Member
Shit I knew something was wrong but never went after what it was.
Back in the day i breezed through both games.
On the remasters I played to a level where my hands gets hurt and I didn't even come close to achieving the same performance. The manuals and connectors (which is basically the bread and butter in the second game) seem to be much more difficult to connect.
consoul
Member
As someone managing five development squads, yeah, that informed my view.
Spiral1407
Member
Meh, all I need is a Skate 3 Recompilation on PC and I'll be happy. The graphics still hold up when it's not stuck at 720p.
darrylgorn
Member
What have you done with rofif?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Not talking about pixels and image quality.
Just about artistical clarity. Same effect as in halo 1 anniversary edition and why old graphics are better.
I wish they just remastered tony hawk games. Just emulate 4k120fps or whatever but don't update anything
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
That does beg the question - what could a studio do if they had to complete a game in a year?
Hyet
Member
Same here, didn't know 4 was open world. I am playing 1+2 right now and I'm having tons of fun. 3 is my favorite so this new one will hit the spot with new stuff (for me) from 4 as a cherry on top.
darrylgorn
Member
I disagree on this one. I think there are few areas where I disagree on the artistic vision but on the whole, I prefer the newer graphics.
SkylineRKR
Member
Maybe it's because of my age, not super old but I was in Middle School when THPS1&2 released.
I felt like THPS3 was a total step in the wrong direction, waaaaaay too arcadey and terrible levels. Made me lose all interest in the series and I was still the key demographic for it.
THPS2 on PSX or DC is all I need. It's perfection IMO. I don't even like those remasters. I know it sounds silly but it was way too fluid for me, and obnoxiously fast. Couldn't even play it, whereas I can go into THPS1&2 and pick up like I never stopped playing either game. I don't know if the remasters are inherently faster, maybe it's just the framerate, but it was legit unplayable for what I expected.
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We need a remaster of Dave Mirra 2. Some of the proceeds can go towards CTE studies. RIP Dave
1 and 2 for Dreamcast are absolutely the best. The new one is very good but it does add some modern gimmicks and feels much faster and harder to get into. The originals kept it basic and they had this specific look, without being too cluttered.
THPS3 went a bit more extreme with its levels, but it still had the same kind of goals and career. I really liked it on Xbox, and PS2.
fart town usa
Member
Xbox got an awesome version of 1&2 also, extra levels and all that.
Larxia
Member
Completely different experiences with completely different purposes, in my opinion the two franchises don't really "compete".
Skate is much more of a chill, relaxed game, where you free skate in a more down to earth game. It doesn't really involve skill or challenge, it's just a fun relaxing game.
Tony Hawk is an arcade game focused on combos, scoring, and getting better at it, it's the ideal "easy to play, hard to master" type of game, with a very large skill ceiling.
I myself prefer Tony Hawk because it's more fun and engaging to me, I like the adrenaline I get out of it, trying to keep a combo for a long time and the risk / reward satisfaction I get out of it. It's super addictive.
I also like EA Skate, for the reasons I described earlier, but it's a very different type of experience and it doesn't give me what I want in a Tony Hawk game, at all, it can't replace it.
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cobaltorange
Member
Just admitting you have crap tastes. That's amazing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
touchfuzzy
Member
20 years later who even remembers how the career mode in an arcade skateboarding game was structured? I honestly wouldn't have known if you guys didn't tell me, and I played a ton of this on Gamecube.
kevboard
Member
it was THE defining feature of THPS4, and was the first step towards the new direction taken with Underground
Soltype
Member
Were you a child when you played it, a lot of the game's challenges wont work in a 2 minute run.4 lost the timer and bumped up the difficulty since time wasn't an issue, this is straight ass.
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