Giallo Corsa
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Assassin's Creed: Shadows releases on Steam with CCU of ~65k (highest series launch on the platform)
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DForce
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Veilguard didn't perform well on consoles. Sales were poor and it wasn't topping the charts.
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- It's now 8th in Japan
- Moved up to 2nd in Italy
- Moved up to 3rd in the US
- Moved up to 2nd in the UK.
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US:
#4th (PS5)
#21 (Xbox)
JAPAN
Dropped to #51
FAMITSU
[PS4] Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (Ubisoft, 11/10/20) – 45,055 (New)
[PS5] Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (Ubisoft, 11/10/20) – 4,227 (New)
[PS4] Assassin's Creed: Odyssey # <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2018.10.05} (¥8.400) - 50.173 / NEW <40-60%>
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seething left
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It's almost like we're slowly moving from a failure to a mild success.
PeteBull
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Those ccu numbers are terrible, and we talking about flagship AC game, even 89k ccu that veilguard got was considered big bomba.
There is a reason we got under 50k, 50 to 100k, 100k to 200k and above 200k options in the poll.
First option means total bomba,
2nd so 50 to 100k means well below expectactions,
100k to 200k means its likely gonna be breaking even to mild success,
above 200k so last option means big success.
Personally voted for under 50k for sole reason ubi has to be punished for making such a disgrace of a game- inserting black protag in the least possible era/area, but there is tons of series fans who play those games for tens of hours no matter how mid those games are(like our senior gafer- topher
so its likely game gonna reach somewhere between 50 to 100k ccu this weekend which will make it perform below expectactions but not bomba of epic proportions Close to 0 chance game gonna break even or become mild success tho, and its for good reason xD
Physiognomonics
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Odyssey really was the best AC game ever. A remake of this game (with that nice looking RTGI) is the only AC I would ever consider buying again.
And yes in 2025 a sub 50k steam CCU is a failure for such big, well known and expensive game.
And yes in 2025 a sub 50k steam CCU is a failure for such big, well known and expensive game.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Truth. You know they are in full cope when they start bringing up Stock prices
Can't bring up Amazon sales, can't bring up Steam reviews....starts looking at stock for cope lol
lol that makes zero sense, wasn't Odyssey's CCU like 60k? so......why would "Steam" determine if something is a success or failure?
AC, Call Of Duty and lots of IP actually move more units on console, not on PC, which means those figures can't and shouldn't really be used to judge something like this.
Valhalla moved 20 million units and its peak CCU is 15k...
soooooooooooooooo not really some wild metric to go by lol Look at how badly COD does on Steam, thats like saying 30 million units is a failure, cause it sold poorly on Steam lol
It makes zero sense.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Those ccu numbers are terrible, and we talking about flagship AC game, even 89k ccu that veilguard got was considered big bomba.
There is a reason we got under 50k, 50 to 100k, 100k to 200k and above 200k options in the poll.
First option means total bomba,
2nd so 50 to 100k means well below expectactions,
100k to 200k means its likely gonna be breaking even to mild success,
above 200k so last option means big success.
Personally voted for under 50k for sole reason ubi has to be punished for making such a disgrace of a game- inserting black protag in the least possible era/area, but there is tons of series fans who play those games for tens of hours no matter how mid those games are(like our senior gafer- topher
Close to 0 chance game gonna break even or become mild success tho, and its for good reason xD
Dragon Age Veilguard didn't perform well on consoles.
It was 6th on PlayStation and 3rd on Xbox for October.
PlayStation Store: October 2024’s top downloads
Fists and bullets fly with Dragon Ball: Sparking Zero, Undisputed, and Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 entering the top of the PS5 download charts.
blog.playstation.com
On the digital sales charts on PlayStation, it was 9th in the US and 11th in the UK.
Assassin's Creed Valhalla didn't release on Steam until 2 years after its launch.
Clearly we need more data to see how it's actually performing.
PeteBull
Member
U proving my point here, topic/thread is about steam ccu, and we got ubi/dei/mid games apologists saying- it has terrible ccu but lets wait for console numbers/official announcements of 1 m players etc...Dragon Age Veilguard didn't perform well on consoles.
It was 6th on PlayStation and 3rd on Xbox for October.
PlayStation Store: October 2024’s top downloads
Fists and bullets fly with Dragon Ball: Sparking Zero, Undisputed, and Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 entering the top of the PS5 download charts.blog.playstation.com
On the digital sales charts on PlayStation, it was 9th in the US and 11th in the UK.
Assassin's Creed Valhalla didn't release on Steam until 2 years after its launch.
Clearly we need more data to see how it's actually performing.
We all know by now those numbers suck, and im on topic here aka steam ccu, in few weeks we will get sales data and we will see how game performed outside of steam but so far u cant call it a blockbuster/topseller title, not at all.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you're just not getting the point.
Concurrent Users:
Silent Hill 2 - 23K
Dragon Age Veilguard - 89K
Silent Hill 2 sold 2 million copies
Dragon Age Veilguard reached 1.5 million players.
Based on your argument, Dragon Age Veilguard performed better than Silent Hill 2, but we know it was performing better on PlayStation..
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I mean...I'd tell you the same even if it was a game i disliked. The CCU on Steam only matters if THAT was the main platform the game historically got its mass units sold from
Look at Call Of Duty, at one point Dragon Age was outselling Call Of Duty on Steam.....
Using your logic, COD failed, sux, flopped etc, it makes zero sense.
Context and logic must be added here to fully get a clear picture, that has nothing to do with being an apologist or a fanboy or anything childish like that
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Surprises Everyone As EA's Biggest Single-Player Launch On Steam
Long-time fans of the Dragon Age franchise impatiently waited for ten years between the launch of Dragon Age: Inquisition and Dragon Age: The Veilguard. Despite the lengthy downtime between entries and the drastic changes in gameplay and art style in the latest release, it appears BioWare didn’t...
www.yahoo.com
For the record, I bought neither COD nor Dragon Age...
AC Valhalla moved 20 million units, yet on Steam their CCU is only 15k.
Sir...how much something moves on Steam can't give you some solid picture of something doing well or not, especially if that platform historically isn't where most of the series units are sold from.
That is like saying Final Fantasy is on its last legs cause it sold 4k on XBOX
Kilau
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Valhalla came to Steam 2 years after launch, not a good comparison for CCU. We don't really have a lot of data points for AC games launching on Steam.I mean...I'd tell you the same even if it was a game i disliked. The CCU on Steam only matters if THAT was the main platform the game historically got its mass units sold from
Look at Call Of Duty, at one point Dragon Age was outselling Call Of Duty on Steam.....
Using your logic, COD failed, sux, flopped etc, it makes zero sense.
Context and logic must be added here to fully get a clear picture, that has nothing to do with being an apologist or a fanboy or anything childish like that
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Surprises Everyone As EA's Biggest Single-Player Launch On Steam
Long-time fans of the Dragon Age franchise impatiently waited for ten years between the launch of Dragon Age: Inquisition and Dragon Age: The Veilguard. Despite the lengthy downtime between entries and the drastic changes in gameplay and art style in the latest release, it appears BioWare didn’t...www.yahoo.com
For the record, I bought neither COD nor Dragon Age...
AC Valhalla moved 20 million units, yet on Steam their CCU is only 15k.
Sir...how much something moves on Steam can't give you some solid picture of something doing well or not, especially if that platform historically isn't where most of the series units are sold from.
That is like saying Final Fantasy is on its last legs cause it sold 4k on XBOX
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
From what I see, its doing fine.
KCD2 has a larger base on PC, AC historically has not been a huge PC seller, most of its fanbase exist on console.
I own a gaming PC and still bought it on PS5 lol
tbh, I don't know if the AC titles do well on PC in terms of performance, I just prefer to play the series on PS
Kilau
for this, I think its a good example to show the IP isn't a PC selling type IP in the first place, as to why it could move 20 million units and come out 2 years later on PC, its cause it didn't need to release on PC to gain record sales in the first place..
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Kilau
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It was on PC, just not the favored store front. It launched on Epic, Uplay and Stadia lol.
GudOlRub
Member
I know everyone is allowed to have horrible opinions, but goddamn man, you didn't need to try that hard!
Kacho
Gold Member
That’s a pretty common opinion. It’s either Black Flag or Odyssey for most people.I know everyone is allowed to have horrible opinions, but goddamn man, you didn't need to try that hard!
simpatico
Member
You realize Odyssey wasn’t available on Steam for quite a while after launch?
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
ok....but the IP fanbase still is majority on console
releasing on a platform doesn't mean a game will move massive units, even GTA skips PC and we all know GTAVI will break ever record imaginable upon release.
So I can only see this as a major thing if the majority of their install base existed on PC, but the reality it, regardless if released day and date or 2 years later, the majority that buy the franchise do so on consoles.
You realize it moved amazing numbers for Ubisoft without launching on Steam right? lol
If you understand that difference in sales might be do to WHEN it launched on the platform, I'm sure you clearly understand the difference in sales might also be due to the majority of that install base existing on console.
lol, so yes, i get it released after the fact (i also get 99% of the gamers that buy that IP do not do so on PC)
edit. so this would be as silly as trying to see if COD will be successful based on Steam numbers while ignoring the majorty do not play there, just like Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest on XB
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Kilau
Member
I really don't know the platform breakdown though I would assume it's majority console, personally I've never played them on PC. My only point was that Steam CCU for Valhalla isn't an apples-to-apples comparison and that overall, we don't have enough history to say this is good or bad for Shadows yet.
simpatico
Member
Steam CCU has no relation to PC install base the way it would if it was there on launch day. Incomparable
Blitzkrieg!
Member
Even taking into account the Ubisoft launcher and historical console preference for AC games, the sub 50k CCU seems pretty anemic. That said, we probably need more data before we can declare total chud victory.
The Steam numbers can't tell us the whole story, but they can be a pretty good indicator unless there's some clear reason why Steam would suddenly account for a smaller than usual % of overall sales. Availability on Ubisoft subscription would be one reason.
The Steam numbers for Shadows look grim to me. It will sell better on console than on Steam, but will it really skew *that* much more heavily towards console than Veilguard did? I doubt it. I think the underwhelming Steam numbers will prove to be indicative of underwhelming performance overall. We will no doubt have to go through the stage of coping and denial again -just as with Veilguard- before it is confirmed and accepted however. There will be other 'amazing milestones', which are really nothing of the sort, to celebrate along the way.
- Valhalla's Steam numbers tell us nothing because it didn't launch on Steam.
- '1m players!!' doesn't tell us much because it was obviously always going to clear that very low (for AC) hurdle.
- 'The Steam numbers keep going up!' Yes, they always go up towards the first weekend. This should top out around 60-70k.
- 'It's top of chart x!' This is normal for any well known game unless another one is releasing right on top of it.
The Steam numbers for Shadows look grim to me. It will sell better on console than on Steam, but will it really skew *that* much more heavily towards console than Veilguard did? I doubt it. I think the underwhelming Steam numbers will prove to be indicative of underwhelming performance overall. We will no doubt have to go through the stage of coping and denial again -just as with Veilguard- before it is confirmed and accepted however. There will be other 'amazing milestones', which are really nothing of the sort, to celebrate along the way.
Boss Man
Member
Stage 2?
PeteBull
Member
ff16 sold 3,5m copies worldwide which is pretty terrible, and yeh, it sold badly on steam too- in comparision previous entry in the series, ff15 sold 10m copies, just to give u guys an idea how terribly it underperformed.I mean...I'd tell you the same even if it was a game i disliked. The CCU on Steam only matters if THAT was the main platform the game historically got its mass units sold from
Look at Call Of Duty, at one point Dragon Age was outselling Call Of Duty on Steam.....
Using your logic, COD failed, sux, flopped etc, it makes zero sense.
Context and logic must be added here to fully get a clear picture, that has nothing to do with being an apologist or a fanboy or anything childish like that
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Surprises Everyone As EA's Biggest Single-Player Launch On Steam
Long-time fans of the Dragon Age franchise impatiently waited for ten years between the launch of Dragon Age: Inquisition and Dragon Age: The Veilguard. Despite the lengthy downtime between entries and the drastic changes in gameplay and art style in the latest release, it appears BioWare didn’t...www.yahoo.com
For the record, I bought neither COD nor Dragon Age...
AC Valhalla moved 20 million units, yet on Steam their CCU is only 15k.
Sir...how much something moves on Steam can't give you some solid picture of something doing well or not, especially if that platform historically isn't where most of the series units are sold from.
That is like saying Final Fantasy is on its last legs cause it sold 4k on XBOX
Point is- here we are in topic about steam ccu numbers and u, just like many other apologists trying to claim AC:S sold well when we got 0 prootf of that, so far we actually got proof pointing otherwise- terrible steam ccu number and official announcment of 1m players, not sales
To all the AC series and DEI appologists i suggest u guys make topic not about steam ccu like this one but about AC:S being blockbuster sales hit, with some sales data and maybe some speculations, here it wont work same way u got those avoved/veilguard fans claiming those games are good/sold well which any sane ppl know is bigtime bs
BTW, i enjoyed AC series back in the days too, black flag was amazing, ac unity was great too just not on launch and not on consoles, few years after launch and on highend pc it was very good tho, i completed it myself
And last thing- if we praise bad games companies keep making bad games, we should critique them instead, thats what forces those companies to improve, proof is cp2077, terrible launch/press but after crazy amount of patches(iirc current version is 2.21 or something like that- i still got it installed on my pc
- game got much better, got revamped, bugs got fixed, dlc/new content got added, stuff got ironed out etc.Now imagine every1 praised cp2077 on launch just like first batch of sold out reviewers(some of them actually took their own videos praising the game down, like yongyea
- if players and non corrupt reviewers would go that way cp2077 wouldnt be fixed or at least not to this degree and would stay unfinished amazing graphically game with untapped potential instead- it would be lose-lose situation, both for the gamers(coz we would get worse game) and for the company too, since recent cp2077 sales numbers, 30m copies sold by nov 2024, would be nowhere that great
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol, i don't think any of that matters, the fact that those games moved records units for Ubisoft while NOT BEING THERE on launch day proves those stats don't really matter in this regard.
Thats like telling us the CCU for Kingdom Hearts on XBOX as if that was the place that would determine its success or failure or something.
I agree with this.
Which AC titles launched on Steam day and date? I don't play the series on PC, so I don't really know if it has a long history of even coming day and date, like in the past. I know they recently did day and date with Shadows, but prior to this they released like 1 or 2 years later on PC, but before that, did the series actually release day and date on Steam?
Kacho
Gold Member
All of them except Valhalla because of the EGS deal. Origins and Odyssey were extremely successful on Steam.
Hero_Select
Member
Can't speak for everyone else but it runs buttery smooth on my PC (granted it has a 4090 but MHW runs significantly worse). Haven't had any issues with it so far 10 hrs in.
I kind of wanted to get it on PS5 because that's where most of my AC games are but eh.
Kilau
Member
Right, Ubi didn't leave Steam until 2019. Honestly though, it's the obsession with CCU, not sure when people started tracking that so much.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
The AC shadows stuff makes me think I’m losing my edge. I’m about as anti-woke as it comes but I see gay romance options as meh at this point. Also don’t care about historical accuracy in games. I also don’t care if I’m a black samurai or not samurai smacking around Asians. Also don’t care if things are Chinese and not Japanese. I’m just digging the game. It’s even great on steam deck. The worst part is definitely the mentally ill “nonbinary” person. But it’s far from dragon age levels of woke.
PeteBull
Member
Ur 4090 is over 3x more powerful from base ps5, bro, and we talking pure raster here, if u include dlss and rt performance gap gets even more massive, so ofc it was no brainer to buy/play new AC game on ur topend pc.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The Jason Scribbler Cycle
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
oh wow, well you see, i didn't know this lol
Those games are too long for me to double dip, so I'll probably just one and done the PS5 version. I want to see how my 4090 handles this game after seeing all the impressions as I'm happy to hear its actually running well and not some unoptimized type mess or something like what going on with MHW. Its hard to tell what title will be ok on PC so Im more selective when it comes to those purchases
Theses days, I'm not doing 100 hours twice lol One and done and accepting the experience for what it is the first time and moving on. I might get it years later after I've forgotten about it enough to care about a double dip.
Its charting on every major retailer and digital store and reviewed high on both publications and user reviews....now CCU has become the hill to die on for the cope
True.
I've never skipped any game for any reason based on any of that stuff. I'm buying anything, from any publisher IF the game is fun. Can't take folks with massive bias seriously.
digimaster7
Neo Member
well yeah, that’s called voting with your wallet. If you bought it and like it that’s great! but then expect future AC games to also have this standard.
no point for ubisoft to spend additional money on research if people just don’t care. Expect more Zoro’s sword on another AC game exhibition
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Not a fan of any AC games but yeah I don't really care if they have optional gay stuff in the game like New Vegas had optional lesbian and gay options and it's one of the greatest game of all times. Also don't care if they destroy shrines or not as I don't agree with that censorship. And the thought of having a Black Samurai actually seems cool. Reminds me of Afro Samurai and some other anime.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
So all Assassin's Creed games flopped on PC?
Kacho
Gold Member
It’s been around for a while. I remember looking at CCUs for Skyrim years ago. The game consistently had over 100k players which was pretty cool.
But the current meta where we hyper focus on CCUs is pretty recent. I want to say it started with Cyberpunk but I’m just guessing.
digimaster7
Neo Member
the obsession with CCU is because its the only metric that we have. we don’t really have a media create sales chart like in japan. even media create is for physical copy only.
either you discuss CCU steam number or you don’t discuss any number at all. Discussing number is pretty fun even if you don’t really know how much does it take to break even or how many people played from subscription service
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alphachino
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GHG
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Dick eating warlord needs to be his tag.
GudOlRub
Member
Apparently Ubisoft paid Microsoft to put this ad on every xbox out there whenever it gets turned on.
I wonder how many people this convinced to buy the game vs how many people were put off by it.
If this shit happened to me for sure I'd swear I'd never fucking touch the damned product in my life.
I don't think I can describe what I wish happened to people who come up with intrusive ads without getting put in some kind of watchlist.
I wonder how many people this convinced to buy the game vs how many people were put off by it.
If this shit happened to me for sure I'd swear I'd never fucking touch the damned product in my life.
I don't think I can describe what I wish happened to people who come up with intrusive ads without getting put in some kind of watchlist.
Unknown Soldier
Member
This happens all the time on XboxApparently Ubisoft paid Microsoft to put this ad on every xbox out there whenever it gets turned on.
I wonder how many people this convinced to buy the game vs how many people were put off by it.
If this shit happened to me for sure I'd swear I'd never fucking touch the damned product in my life.
I don't think I can describe what I wish happened to people who come up with intrusive ads without getting put in some kind of watchlist.
Usually it's MS games though, Starfield had this and so did Gears and Forza
MS has by far the worst ads of the 3 current platform holders. I never see intrusive advertising on PS5 and Switch like this
Pelao
Member
Funnily enough, the Xbox digital version is already being sold at a $10 discount at Best Buy.Apparently Ubisoft paid Microsoft to put this ad on every xbox out there whenever it gets turned on.
I wonder how many people this convinced to buy the game vs how many people were put off by it.
If this shit happened to me for sure I'd swear I'd never fucking touch the damned product in my life.
I don't think I can describe what I wish happened to people who come up with intrusive ads without getting put in some kind of watchlist.
Kacho
Gold Member
Peter got nuked from orbit wow…
Sharius
Member
i don't follow this thread closely but "keep" kinda exaggerate, as it only go from 41k to 47k update title in last 5h that i posted, and by the time i post this, it's morning saturday in asia, and this pretty much every sale this game can get out from china, korea and japan (lol), unless euro and america can magically put it over one hundred to prevent tencent take over (while i doubt it can prevent 10c take over ubisoft)
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