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[calico]

It hurts their little narrative. =)

I've yet to see either one of em make a post about Call Of Duty being on its last legs cause Steam sales and Dragon Age outsold COD on Steam lol


Not 1 thread.

So...if they get COD moves 25 to 30 million on console and Steam is irrelevant to that IP, I'm sure they get that with AC, its just a tough pill for them to swallow atm.

Positive reviews by publications, Very positive user reviews on Steam and PSN from gamers that own the game, 2 million players in less then 2 days making it one of the fastest selling AC titles and now the highest CCU of the whole series.....

Next goal post, but it didn't move 100 million and if it did...Ubisoft wanted it to be 200 million bro

Then stocks


(proceeds to start making up new metrics to avoid talking about AC Shadows being number 1 on store fronts and reviewing positively by gamers that own it) lol

Can you please explain what you think 'being number 1 on store fronts' tells us? What is it beating at number two that makes this a significant feat?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

and we were mocking Avowed .

this game has been a complete falirue

 

[Topher]

Can you please explain what you think 'being number 1 on store fronts' tells us? What is it beating at number two that makes this a significant feat?

MLB The Show 25
2K25
Split Fiction
Monster Hunter Wild

Games that will end up being on the top overall best sellers list by year's end. Is it a significant feat? Hard to say. In fact, we are all dancing around how well this game has sold without actually having sales numbers. So the only correct answer to the question of "Is AC:S selling well or not" is "we don't know yet".

 

[Lokaum D+]

Is it really worth it to defend this game? I mean they put now "nonbinary" nonsense into feudal Japan. Their pay2win mtx garbage gets bigger every release. They have now "dailies" and "weeklies"...going full MMO/GaaS style. I dont see much what would be worth to defend here.

ppl need to validate their bad purchase, that why plenty of bad games ll be defended like hell here.

 

[Ozriel]

ppl need to validate their bad purchase, that why plenty of bad games ll be defended like hell here.

Critic and Steam review consensus puts the game firmly in the ‘good game’ camp.

And there’s you who hasn’t played it yet. It does seem like you’re the one who’s looking to validate his decision.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

ppl need to validate their bad purchase, that why plenty of bad games ll be defended like hell here.

Same can be said for expensive systems and their validation threads.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Same can be said for expensive systems and their validation threads.

Yep

 

[Blitzkrieg!]

Assuming we don’t get any more milestone tweets from Ubi, the next data point on how this is performing will be the stock price when markets open. Financial firms regularly purchase sales data from retailers and should have a decent read on the situation come Monday morning.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Critic and Steam review consensus puts the game firmly in the ‘good game’ camp.

And there’s you who hasn’t played it yet. It does seem like you’re the one who’s looking to validate his decision.

pls tell me more about Crit and User consensus putting games on the "good game" camp and what all these good games have in common ?

I already played my share of Assassin games to know they are bad ( Black Flag is my Favorite and Origins were really good ) the problem is that since Origins AC is the same old same old, the formula barely changes from one iteration to another and cause of that the flaws of Origins started to be more and more pronounce in the other games, but that my opinion.

 

[DForce]

Seems the peak has been reached, it is all downhill from here.
Let's see, almost two months old $40 million budgeted RPG, second game in a relatively new IP

Latest Ubisoft AAA $200+ million extravaganza whose success is important for the company to survive

Now, yes, the astroturfers and Ubisoft defenders will claim that consoles and cheap grey resellers and $20 dollar subscriptions will save it!

But, in couple months during investor call we will find out if that is indeed the case.

Also, I suspect very few people would think even few months ago that result like this was likely. And very few would claim that 64K peak CCU is great result for an "Assassin's Creed" mainline game.

And what if they're happy with the results?

People are going to call them liars.

 

[Ozriel]

pls tell me more about Crit and User consensus putting games on the "good game" camp and what all these good games have in common ?

I already played my share of Assassin game to know they are bad, BUT, i ll play this one once it become available on game pass or PS+.

I’m pretty sure everyone here knows why you won’t use Steam reviews where at least a purchase is required.

Metacritic user score? Really?

 

[pudel]

And what if they're happy with the results?

If they are happy with the results they will just continue on their current path. If they are not happy they might investigate what went wrong and make corrections.

 

[Denton]

And what if they're happy with the results?

People are going to call them liars.

The only thing that matters to Ubisoft brass is if the game is profitable or not. I would wager it won't be, at least until long after release, but we'll see. Happiness has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Kilau]

Watching you guys argue like you can will this game to fail or succeed is highly entertaining, bravo.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I’m pretty sure everyone here knows why you won’t use Steam reviews where at least a purchase is required.

Metacritic user score? Really?

whats is your point ? steam user review cant be manipulated ? there is lots of positive reviews with 3 to 4 hours of gameplay, i even found a positive refunded review

.

my point is believe on your own taste, the only assassins that i didnt played was Valhala, and i can tell that after Origins all of them are bad games to me, my hope is that Shadow ll click with me again, but my expectations are really low.

 

[DForce]

If they are happy with the results they will just continue on their current path. If they are not happy they might investigate what went wrong and make corrections.

The only thing that matters to Ubisoft brass is if the game is profitable or not. I would wager it won't be, at least until long after release, but we'll see. Happiness has nothing to do with anything.

Being happy with the results means the game has sold well.

We know if that happens, people are still going to accuse them of lying.

 

[adamsapple]

My condolences on Shadows impotence.

That's a weird way to say "Extremely successful like Origins and Odyssey"

Scraping above previous titles in the same series that released on to a platform with under half the available audience at the time is not worth shouting about.

But, what I do see as more positive is the fact that the reviews for the title are generally favourable on Steam and seem to be trending upwards.

Keep in mind the potential audience on Ubi+ is also probably double, or some multiple factor, what is was at the time Valhalla and stuff launched. So there's a bigger divide there too.

As some have said earlier, if they have multiple Ubi games tied to the Ubi+ service, they're more likely to continue

Being happy with the results means the game has sold well.

We know if that happens, people are still going to accuse them of lying.

Some of the takes are that Ubi's employees are buying 10, 15 copies and the positive Steam reviews are mostly written by Ubi employees as well.

There's no winning

 

[Kerotan]

My take is these result's don't confirm it's a bomb but don't guarantee a success either. Let's just hope Ubisoft release sales figures and not just player numbers.

 

[PeteBull]

I mean after the flop of Avatar and Star Wars Outlaws, I really thought this one would do the same (70+ on meta critic and barely reaching 1 million players after several weeks With CCU at 12k at max)

And nobody really cared for Mirage too

Mirage sold 5m copies in 3 months, all mainline entries of AC sold 10m copies, ofc ac:s should or was budgeted for bigtime sales of 10m+ copies.

 

[Denton]

We know if that happens, people are still going to accuse them of lying.

If they say they are "happy" but do not provide any numbers, then it is correct response to be skeptical.
If they provide actual numbers to the investors of units sold, and those numbers square with the game being profitable in relation to its budget, then only idiots will accuse them of lying.

 

[PeteBull]

MLB The Show 25
2K25
Split Fiction
Monster Hunter Wild

Games that will end up being on the top overall best sellers list by year's end. Is it a significant feat? Hard to say. In fact, we are all dancing around how well this game has sold without actually having sales numbers. So the only correct answer to the question of "Is AC:S selling well or not" is "we don't know yet".

We already know its not big success, otherwise ubi would announce 5-10m copies sold by now. Current question is- will it flop superhard, will it break even or will it be mild success?

 

[DForce]

 

[Skifi28]

I'm personally happy with the game in the few hours I've played and it seems to be more successful than not by most indicators. I have no idea why some people are so invested in it failing, why not just vote with your wallet and move on?

 

[PeteBull]

If they say they are "happy" but do not provide any numbers, then it is correct response to be skeptical.
If they provide actual numbers to the investors of units sold, and those numbers square with the game being profitable in relation to its budget, then only idiots will accuse them of lying.

Agree 100% but i would add total revenue too, for example ac:v got announcement about making 1b usd in revenue like here:

Assassin's Creed Valhalla passes $1bn revenue

Assassin's Creed Valhalla has now earned more than $1bn revenue, making it the first game in Ubisoft's flagship franchi…

www.eurogamer.net

I understand ppl can now sub to ubi platform for 18$/month instead of spending 70usd(or more in many countries outside of US actually), but revenue has to be made one way or another otherwise game will be considered if not big flop then for sure performing below expectations.

 

[PeteBull]

I'm personally happy with the game in the few hours I've played and it seems to be more successful than not by most indicators. I have no idea why some people are so invested in it failing, why not just vote with your wallet and move on?

We voting with our wallets, and on top we are curious of its performance, its fine to comment about it in steam ccu topic, after all, we dont spam sales/ccu discussion posts in official game topic so only likeminded ppl interested in the discussion see/comment on it

 

[adamsapple]

"Comfortably ahead" of MH Wilds? Damn that's insane.

 

[Topher]

We already know its not big success, otherwise ubi would announce 5-10m copies sold by now. Current question is- will it flop superhard, will it break even or will it be mild success?

We don't "know" that to be true at all.

 

[Pedro Motta]

"Comfortably ahead" of MH World? Damn that's insane.

Wilds*

 

[Topher]

ppl need to validate their bad purchase, that why plenty of bad games ll be defended like hell here.

You do realize that not everyone has the same opinion on games as you, right?

 

[adamsapple]

Wilds*

Thank you, fixed. Too similar

We don't "know" that to be true at all.

Remember topher, if a company doesn't announce 5, 10 million sales 3 days after release, it's not a successful launch.

 

[Skifi28]

We voting with our wallets, and on top we are curious of its performance, its fine to comment about it in steam ccu topic, after all, we dont spam sales/ccu discussion posts in official game topic so only likeminded ppl interested in the discussion see/comment on it

Yeah, I've seen many posts of those "curious" about its performance. More like they were hoping for a trainwreck and are now trying to bend reality to fit their narrative.

 

[Lokaum D+]

 

[Blitzkrieg!]

Remember topher, if a company doesn't announce 5, 10 million sales 3 days after release, it's not a successful launch.

New AAA games typically do 40-50% of their total sales in the first week. If they are going to sell 10 million copies and keep pace with Odyssey (which is a markedly lower bar than Valhalla), they need to move 4-5 million units in the first week.

 

[Topher]

New AAA games typically do 40-50% of their total sales in the first week. If they are going to sell 10 million copies and keep pace with Odyssey (which is a markedly lower bar than Valhalla), they need to move 4-5 million units in the first week.

Or pull in more revenue via Ubisoft+. There is more than one revenue stream at work here so we can't make a direct comparison based solely on sales.

 

[Astray]

Yeah, I've seen many posts of those "curious" about its performance. More like they were hoping for a trainwreck and are now trying to bend reality to fit their narrative.

This is basically what's happening.

I called it the reverse Hogwarts Legacy because it's the exact same script: Political warriors making asses of themselves and coping amongst themselves while publisher laughs all the way to the bank.

 

[PeteBull]

Yeah, I've seen many posts of those "curious" about its performance. More like they were hoping for a trainwreck and are now trying to bend reality to fit their narrative.

Can u blame us wanting this DEI shittard to fail? If it doesn aka sells well enough- fine, players have spoken, but ofc im biased here as antifeminist and antiwokeist, game isnt even that good outside of being woke, since got only 80metascore from sellout reviewers.

 

[Topher]

This is basically what's happening.

I called it the reverse Hogwarts Legacy because it's the exact same script: Political warriors making asses of themselves and coping amongst themselves while publisher laughs all the way to the bank.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is the "exact same script" as Hogwarts. The "political warriors" in that scenario engaged in full fledged "cancel culture" tactics.

 

[Astray]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is the "exact same script" as Hogwarts. The "political warriors" in that scenario engaged in full fledged "cancel culture" tactics.

One side has clickbait gaming media blogposts, the other has clickbait gaming media videos.

Same difference imo.

 

[PeteBull]

This is basically what's happening.

I called it the reverse Hogwarts Legacy because it's the exact same script: Political warriors making asses of themselves and coping amongst themselves while publisher laughs all the way to the bank.

Ubi could put japense male and yasuke just as a 3rd option/dlc character, and no1 would bat an eye, yet they decided to be racists fucks and not even include japanese male as protag, so if game bombs or doesnt meet expectations, its on them, my pov on that is same like milions of other former AC players- we simply dont wanna support DEI infested game and DEI infested company, plenty other games that are worth our time and money, we rather support those.

 

[Topher]

One side has clickbait gaming media blogposts, the other has clickbait gaming media videos.

Same difference imo.

One was a bit more exteme, imo, but I get your point.

 

[Astray]

One was a bit more exteme, imo, but I get your point.

Each side used the tools available to them to the utmost of their ability.

The playbook is the same, only the glossary is different.

 

[Scrawnton]

And what if they're happy with the results?

People are going to call them liars.

In the end all their PR and fluffing is meaningless. There are only two outcomes that matter: did the financials work out in Ubi and investors' favor and will they continue to make and publish games or will we see a mass exodus in investors due to this game not "saving" the companies financial outlook?

They can say whatever they want but the game being a success means Ubisoft can keep on keepin' on, but if Ubisoft collapses or sells their business off then we know how things turned out with this game.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

Ubi could put japense male and yasuke just as a 3rd option/dlc character, and no1 would bat an eye, yet they decided to be racists fucks and not even include japanese male as protag, so if game bombs or doesnt meet expectations, its on them, my pov on that is same like milions of other former AC players- we simply dont wanna support DEI infested game and DEI infested company, plenty other games that are worth our time and money, we rather support those.

If nothing else, I hope this all leads to more people discovering Rise of the Ronin. A real banger right there.

Sadly the PC port seems to be a bit of a technical mess (then again, the base PS5 version kind of is, too...).

 

[PeteBull]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is the "exact same script" as Hogwarts. The "political warriors" in that scenario engaged in full fledged "cancel culture" tactics.

Comparing sane antiwoke crowd to clownword ppl is known modus operanti of rainbow crowd, that way they can pretend our side is just as evil and delusional as them, when in reality even here on gaf, myself included, never tried to cancel any1 for liking/buying/playing woke games, its their time/money and they can do w/e they want.
Hell if person enjoying the game im happy for him, genuinely happy coz it means player got his money's worth, that is proper capitalism- happy customer who bought product he enjoys.

 

[Skifi28]

Can u blame us wanting this DEI shittard to fail? If it doesn aka sells well enough- fine, players have spoken, but ofc im biased here as antifeminist and antiwokeist, game isnt even that good outside of being woke, since got only 80metascore from sellout reviewers.

I can. I've yet to see any DEI elements actually playing the game. If anything, the Japanese dub and writting is very well done and respectful to the culture and era, at least so far. For all the crap I've been reading here for months, I've yet to see any yellow or red flags after 8 hours. I'm afraid that the extend of those DEI elements is "there's a black person in my samurai game herp derp" which was stupid from the very beggining as it's an old concept and even considered cool in Japan seeing certain works like Afro Samurai. I swear, youtube grifters like asmongold have fried some people's brain.

 

[calico]

MLB The Show 25
2K25
Split Fiction
Monster Hunter Wild

Games that will end up being on the top overall best sellers list by year's end. Is it a significant feat? Hard to say. In fact, we are all dancing around how well this game has sold without actually having sales numbers. So the only correct answer to the question of "Is AC:S selling well or not" is "we don't know yet".

• The Show and 2K are games which will sell around 2-3m copies. Plus 2K is in its second week.
• Split Fiction is in its third week.
• MH Wilds is in its fourth week.

That they will end up making the overall best sellers list is irrelevant when the chart Shadows is topping is a comparison of current performance, not overall performance.

You might not be able to say which of the above being surpassed by Shadows is indicative of Shadow's 'success', but hopefully the person offering it as evidence of such can.

 

[Kacho]

It’s UK physical sales. It could technically be the biggest launch of year with 10,000 copies sold.

 

[Baemono]

Ubi could put japense male and yasuke just as a 3rd option/dlc character, and no1 would bat an eye, yet they decided to be racists fucks and not even include japanese male as protag, so if game bombs or doesnt meet expectations, its on them, my pov on that is same like milions of other former AC players- we simply dont wanna support DEI infested game and DEI infested company, plenty other games that are worth our time and money, we rather support those.

Putitng a dude, like in Sekiro, Ghost of Tsushima, Yakuza Ishin, Rise of the Ronin, no one would bat an eye indeed, and no one would care either.

 

[bighugeguns]

Goodbye Ubisoft, thanks for all the memories. <3

 

[calico]

This is basically what's happening.

I called it the reverse Hogwarts Legacy because it's the exact same script: Political warriors making asses of themselves and coping amongst themselves while publisher laughs all the way to the bank.

If Ubisoft is going to the bank it's to beg for a loan.