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Then all of that applies equally to would be analysts saying sales are poor. In reality, it doesn’t matter. This is a forum of people discussing a variety of topics that they are not necessarily experts in.
Assassin's Creed: Shadows releases on Steam with CCU of ~65k (highest series launch on the platform)
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Then all of that applies equally to would be analysts saying sales are poor. In reality, it doesn’t matter. This is a forum of people discussing a variety of topics that they are not necessarily experts in.
xenosys
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It's better than a lot of people thought, but 64k for a huge AAA D1 release isn't great. Even an absolute multi-platform mess like Dragon's Dogma 2 was hitting 225k last year.
'Players' isn't unit sold, but they're relying on the ignorance (wilful or otherwise) of gamers to conflate the two when they see that sort of PR pumped out. When the sales charts are published each month, we'll get a better idea of the ratio of 'players' to units sold.
'Players' isn't unit sold, but they're relying on the ignorance (wilful or otherwise) of gamers to conflate the two when they see that sort of PR pumped out. When the sales charts are published each month, we'll get a better idea of the ratio of 'players' to units sold.
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GHG
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Didn't stop you defending Veilguard at the time though, to the extent that your nonsense got you banned.
Baemono
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I mean it's not like "2+ million players" on HiFi Rush while it is known Game Pass has 25+ million users.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
PeteBull
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It would be a big success for some midtier AA game, it would be break even/mild success for AC spinoff, its definitely well below expectactions for mainline entry in AC series
GHG
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Big new releases that are successful on the platform are consistently breaking the records set in previous years.
It's not automatic, it's not supposed to be, but when it does happen it is a marker that the game has performed in a way that is reflective of the new larger audience afforded to it.
Scraping above previous titles in the same series that released on to a platform with under half the available audience at the time is not worth shouting about.
But, what I do see as more positive is the fact that the reviews for the title are generally favourable on Steam and seem to be trending upwards.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Not only that, but I think some games even sell more if they’re exclusive or timed exclusive. It drives hype and conversations. Like I bet Rise of the Ronin would have sold less if it was Day 1 on PC.
The steam number doesn't look promising, nor does the language around "players" instead of sales. AC is a huge franchise. I'm not sure if it sells like Madden, COD, or FIFA, but if it doesn't its probably the next tier down.
I suspect it will have decent sales regardless of the drama. Probably won't be the hit Ubisoft wants/needs it to be.
I suspect it will have decent sales regardless of the drama. Probably won't be the hit Ubisoft wants/needs it to be.
Baemono
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It would be a big success for some midtier AA game, it would be break even/mild success for AC spinoff, its definitely well below expectactions for mainline entry in AC series
I mean after the flop of Avatar and Star Wars Outlaws, I really thought this one would do the same (70+ on meta critic and barely reaching 1 million players after several weeks With CCU at 12k at max)
And nobody really cared for Mirage too
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Kacho
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My condolences on Shadows impotence.
whelp ...
The Chairman
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"players" lol
nemiroff
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Compared to what some people hoped would be the flop of the year, and being ~30% more expensive on Steam than on Ubi key sites, and at the top of the Steam AC CCU chart. Yeah, it's actually not too bad.
I don't get it. Ubi gave three people keys for the game, and? What am I missing?
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Kotaro
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Yep 2 million PLAYERS in 48 hours is a terrible number
Thankfully we have a very recent comparison, Monster Hunter Wilds, a game from as big of a franchise as AC, 8 million SOLD in 3 days.
Now that is a good number
MMaRsu
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Yep 2 million PLAYERS in 48 hours is a terrible number
Thankfully we have a very recent comparison, Monster Hunter Wilds, a game from as big of a franchise as AC, 8 million SOLD in 3 days.
Now that is a good number
Which no AC has done in years so the comparison makes absolutely zero sense.
Or shall we compare Call of Duty to AC next?
A sequel to a extremely well sold game from 2018 is making bank on sales, what a surprise. In comparison to MWW many games are not succesful.
Keep moving those goalposts guys! Keep fighting!!
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Again, they didn’t have a subscription service when those older games launched.
People need to be consistent. Either Ubisoft plus premium has terrible uptake and the ‘2 million players’ thing should be almost on par with unit sales…or there are a decent number of folks on the service which would have an impact on the CCUs.
Again, they didn’t have a subscription service when those older games launched.
People need to be consistent. Either Ubisoft plus premium has terrible uptake and the ‘2 million players’ thing should be almost on par with unit sales…or there are a decent number of folks on the service which would have an impact on the CCUs.
Yep 2 million PLAYERS in 48 hours is a terrible number
Thankfully we have a very recent comparison, Monster Hunter Wilds, a game from as big of a franchise as AC, 8 million SOLD in 3 days.
Now that is a good number
That’s like comparing week 1 sales of Ghost of Yotei with GTA 6 and using that as the benchmark for whether or not GoT did well.
MMaRsu
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GHG
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We've been through this before when gamepass has been involved - if the game is good enough for people to want to purchase it then they will do so. That's been reflected multiple times when games released on to gamepass day one have still managed to sell well, both on Steam and elsewhere.
But if people only deem the game to be worthy of a try via a subscription service then that's damning in itself.
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Obviously, games didn't all sell an equal amount x years ago.
If we could go back and magically double the size of Steam's userbase in 2018, then we could reasonably assume the games would have sold more copies than they did.
MMaRsu
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Oh no, they gave away some codes! Massive failure! Alarm alarm batten down the hatches!"players" lol
Literally grasping at straws
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Kotaro
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Which no AC has done in years so the comparison makes absolutely zero sense.
Or shall we compare Call of Duty to AC next?
A sequel to a extremely well sold game from 2018 is making bank on sales, what a surprise. In comparison to MWW many games are not succesful.
Keep moving those goalposts guys! Keep fighting!!
AC Shadows also came after the most successful AC game, Valhalla. And AC is a much bigger franchise than MH actually
List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia
What surprised me is that the ACS vs MHW numbers are not even close, that’s just how bad AC Shadows number is
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The Chairman
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good thing the game is receiving pretty good user reviews on Steam, and the impression from folks who have played it is quite positive.
But we know why an increased number of people might have considered playing it via subscription instead of buying, don’t we? Consistent attempts to de-market the title from racists and grifters can’t have helped.
That said, the game is only available via purchase on console, not subscription…so only Steam sales would have been impacted.
It’s rising on Console, by the way. Now #1 on the U.S. PS store, up from #2 this morning. And now #3 in the Japan PS Store, up from #4.
MMaRsu
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Which launched exclusively on Epic and probably sold more on consoles than on PC total.
Keep crying bro, we can all taste your salty tears.The game is a huge success bro, don't worry about it
Ive explained multiple times why that is a good ccu for a game like AC.
But none of you seem interested in actually discussing the topic, you just want to beat down on something you dislike.
Its really see through for all of us to see, and its getting pathetic.
Denton
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This is an opinion
This is a speculation
If you don't like people talking about it and having different opinions/speculations than you have, go read some other thread.
MMaRsu
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Nobody seems actually interested in discussion the topic at hand though.
Denton
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I see plenty of discussion, some people are showing why the game is unlikely to make huge profit (or even break even) while others are arguing the opposite. In the end, reality will become known but for now, this is fun too. More than the game itself, at any rate.
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MMaRsu
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Nobody has acknowledged that these games are generally huge sellers on consoles, not pc.
The ccu's are explainable, and we have explained.
So what is there to discuss. How it will make a profit? We cannot say.
Blitzkrieg!
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Has Ubi made any more milestone posts since 2 million? (I don’t have Twitter)
If MH Worlds sold 15x as many copies as AC Valhalla then yes it would be just like that...
Denton
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Well, I do not acknowledge it because I do not consider it a fact. I have played every single mainline AC game (and finished them, too) on PC, everyone I know did too. The IP's PC share was likely equal to that of any individual console, until Ubisoft decided to do the stupid thing and go Ubisoft Connect exclusive. But, this is now their big Steam return, with huge Steam marketing, Steam Deck support, even Steam related trailers. One would expect a big blow-out, but no.
Yes, by supposition that most people are buying Ubi Connect reseller keys and subs. Which, again, is just a speculation, not a fact, and still wouldn't be particularly huge win given the much lower monetary share coming to Ubisoft from those purchases.
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MMaRsu
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And you understand that series go through major growth in a period of 7 years? Theyve had 7 years to create a new fanbase
MHW brought MH to the mainstream and MHW capitalized in that.
EDMIX
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It hurts their little narrative. =)
I've yet to see either one of em make a post about Call Of Duty being on its last legs cause Steam sales and Dragon Age outsold COD on Steam lol
Not 1 thread.
So...if they get COD moves 25 to 30 million on console and Steam is irrelevant to that IP, I'm sure they get that with AC, its just a tough pill for them to swallow atm.
Positive reviews by publications, Very positive user reviews on Steam and PSN from gamers that own the game, 2 million players in less then 2 days making it one of the fastest selling AC titles and now the highest CCU of the whole series.....
Next goal post, but it didn't move 100 million and if it did...Ubisoft wanted it to be 200 million bro
Then stocks
(proceeds to start making up new metrics to avoid talking about AC Shadows being number 1 on store fronts and reviewing positively by gamers that own it) lol
Antwix
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No. Just one or two generic "AC Shadows is out now!!!" type tweets
genesisblock
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Except in your example GTA6 is AC: Shadows and GoY is MH: Wilds. One has a massive budget and production value behind them, the other has a relatively high budget but ends up getting more successful. This only makes Shadows example look even worse.
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MMaRsu
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Considering oldschool AC games had horrible pc ports, I have huge doubts.
Just because you played it on PC doesnt mean most people did.
As a matter of fact AC1 came out on PC later than on consoles as well.
And pc players were treated like shit by Ubisoft.
So no I dont think that the share of console and pc players is equal at all.
geary
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Also,
MHW is THE top game in genre that doesn't exist. It does really have competitors (same as GTA).
Open-World Action RPG are releasing every month, so the excitement is not the same for the genre.
MMaRsu
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Just because 1 game with a smaller budget is a huge success doesnt make the game with the high budget suddenly a failure.
Jesus christ what kind of absolutely stupid arguments are these?
Im so done with this thread. Absolutely dumb dumb dumb arguments. Whats the fucking point of discussing it if this is the type of shit you can come up with.
Reizo Ryuu
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Mods, could y'all make Kotaro's tag "Monster Hunter Wilds sold 8 million copies in 3 days"? We don't want him getting banned for acting like a bot with how much he's repeating it every post 
MMaRsu
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EDMIX
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Mods, could y'all make Kotaro's tag "Monster Hunter Wilds sold 8 million copies in 3 days"? We don't want him getting banned for acting like a bot with how much he's repeating it every post
lol I don't even get the point of all that in relation to AC Shadows. They are different games, different publishers, different fanbases etc.
Thats like saying Monster Hunter failed cause GTAV moved 11 million units in 1 day lol
genesisblock
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Failure comes from the sales expectations from the studios, not each other. The whole point of the comparison is that the smaller studio title is having the kind of sales the bigger one should have since they are sold at a similar price range.
EDMIX
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Ok, but you don't really know Ubisoft's sales expectations for this game though and Ubisoft likely will play the long game with content and discounts and many skus like the Switch 2 version or something as their goal might merely be to move units over a long amount of time like you saw with AC Valhalla, that didn't just move 20 million units in 1 day or 1 week or anything wild or a few months
COD might be able to do that, same with FIFA and Madden, but AC is not the same as those games, thus the publishers EXPECTATIONS likely are in check based on the history of what that IP normally does, not what fucking COD or GTA or Monster Hunter is selling
Those are different IP
Thats like saying Capcom should be ashamed cause they didn't move 11 million units in 1 day like GTAV or something weird like that lol
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Where's AC's major growth?
The suggestion that comparing AC to MH is akin to comparing Tsushima to GTA is absurd. The last main MH entry might have sold a bit better than the last main AC entry, it did not sell 15x better.
EDMIX
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nahhhh I greatly disagree.
Those are different games and the only comparison that would make sense would be the games within that actual series.
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