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2012 NBA Finals |OT| Good Job, Good Effort
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MetalFearSolid
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damn.
Fucking epic,just saw this pic:
........................shit
MorisUkunRasik
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Grimm Fandango
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CrazyDogg77
Member
Just saw the Lebetard rant. Wow. I want to do a rant if Miami loses next year and I know just who will suffer my wrath.
Lebatard's championship rant was funny, but I think the one they did after Miami beat the Celtics was funnier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_1-2sbCpI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_1-2sbCpI
They are probably disappointed Lebron didn't win a second ring.
Interesting question I saw about Kobe and D-Wade. It was a Lakers fan comparing Kobe's role during the 3peat to Wade this year and asking why Kobe gets no credit from haters. I looked up the playoff stats:
Kobe 3peat
21.1/4.5/5
29.4/7.3/6.1
26.6/5.8/4.6
Wade 2012
22.8/5.2/4.3
Besides Kobe and Shaq, Lakers had roleplayers galore. Bosh and maybe Chalmers are better than any of those supporting players IMO. Kobe also dominated many of those WC series
Using the haters logic, I guess this is LeBron's title alone?
Kobe 3peat
21.1/4.5/5
29.4/7.3/6.1
26.6/5.8/4.6
Wade 2012
22.8/5.2/4.3
Besides Kobe and Shaq, Lakers had roleplayers galore. Bosh and maybe Chalmers are better than any of those supporting players IMO. Kobe also dominated many of those WC series
Using the haters logic, I guess this is LeBron's title alone?
Dear God, thanks for the Yanks and Giants, but did '94 really have to go down the way it did? I mean, Hakeem got '95 and all and now I have Marshmelo going up against post-chip Lebron for the immediate and foreseeable future. I mean, come on.
fuck. my. life.
Guys,
Not cool.
fuck. my. life.
AgentChris
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CoffeeJanitor
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RealGM? That's where I saw it but no one posted stats
edit: Oh that's me on ISH if that's what you mean lol
I haven't watched that vid yet cos I get embarrassed for people too easily. WTF is wrong with me lol
CoffeeJanitor
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yeah I know haha just saw it on there
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Did Simmons really try and argue that LeBron had a better "all-around" peak than Shaq and Duncan, what?
MidnightCowboy
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Has anybody had a better peak than Shaq? It wasn't for a long time, but my god was he unstoppable during it.
Simmons is a Bostonian hack.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
An argument can't be made about peaks just yet, Bron's peak isn't even set in stone yet. Could be many more years, could be another season or two.
Dumb.
Dumb.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Actually, I might be more confused about him saying that Wilt reached a better all-around level than Duncan.
I mean, maybe 1967 Wilt was better than 2003 Duncan, but 67 Wilt couldn't score further than 3 feet from the basket or defend pick-and-roll while Duncan could do everything...
Whatever, Simmons has weird things in his articles.
I mean, maybe 1967 Wilt was better than 2003 Duncan, but 67 Wilt couldn't score further than 3 feet from the basket or defend pick-and-roll while Duncan could do everything...
Whatever, Simmons has weird things in his articles.
Blackace
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Wilt couldn't defend a pick and roll?
Maybe he meant taking one season as a peak? This is probably Lebron's most amazing playoff run statistically, and it's pretty similar to Shaq and Timmy's best playoff runs.
A 30/9/6 is kind of incredible, especially for... well I guess Lebron is technically a wing player but he did damn near everything in this playoffs, every game.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
"Dey can kiss my old Cuban ass."
YOU STOLE THE SONICS WE WILL STEAL YOUR CHRONIC!
:jnc times infinity
Bron will never approach Shaq's peak at what Shaq was actually good at. I think the general point was praising Lebron's all-around versatility at being great at almost everything rather than accentuating one aspect of his game. Not that it makes him GOAT or anything like that, but Lebron does have a pretty unique talent base and skillset that hasn't really been seen before at this level.
Of course it remains to be seen if this is the best we've seen of Lebron.
Of course it remains to be seen if this is the best we've seen of Lebron.
I'm happy that Bosh got a ring
only one of the 3 that I amshe seems like a nice person
Without joking, I really like Bosh ever since his all star campaign couple years ago, ain't that right bubba?
To be fair, no one in the history of the sport was as good as Shaq at what Shaq was good at. The fact that Lebron is statistically similar in a much smaller man's body is very impressive to me.
Don't forget that the 02 team was complete shit outside of the starting 5 and Horry(who would become a starter in the post season). Samaki Walker started at least 60 games, Fisher missed half of the season, Shaq missed a good 20 or so games, and Chick Hearn missed a few months(RIP). I'd like to see LeBron win a ring with Slava Medvedenko, zombie Mitch Richmond, zombie Brian Shaw, and Mark Madsen averaging 10mpg during the season. The team really only played 6 or 7 guys during the post season too.
But don't forget that Shaq did everything, even in the 20 games he missed. Kobe wasn't his equal or anything, the combination of zombies, Slava, Mike Penberthy, Mark Madsen, and Joe Crispin were more valuable on that team.
And on a last note, this is my first post in this thread since being unbanned. My avatar unfortunately no longer applies to this situation, awkwaaaaaaard. Congrats to Lebron and Eddy Curry who carried the Heat to this title. I am happy for LeBron, but I am mad as fuck that idiots like Lebatard get to make stupid shit like that. Goddamn does that man piss me off to no end.
One more last note, the Mark Cuban ownage of Skip was amazing. Skip doesn't even understand zone defense! He was a star point guard in high school though, so suck on that Cuban!
I'm not even a Knicks fan and this disgusts me to no end.
They should give rings to the towel boys and the training staff too while they're at it
Ninja Scooter
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They do. Gary Vitti is baller as fuck. Has like 11 rings.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Prime LeBron would have easily won 3 rings if you replaced Kobe with him for the Lakers three-peat. Any great wing would have probably won a ring with Shaq during that three-peat. Do you not remember how unbelievably dominant Shaq was? It really doesn't matter who else you have when you have an unstoppable center and a great wing. The three-peat with Shaq simply shouldn't be used as evidence for Kobe being better than LeBron.
That really wasn't the point. If you paired LeBron with Kobe instead of Wade, you'd get similar if not better results. But people say Shaq did everything, but if he did, he wouldn't have won with that 02 team if Kobe wasn't a star player
Ninja Scooter
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CoffeeJanitor
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Big men are more important to championship squads than wings. Specifically, all time dominant centers. I think that's the reason people give Shaq more credit.
And yeah, no one wins alone.
(the current crop of big men in the league led to this years finals bigs mediocrity, which was an aberration)
Maybe the first two, but I honestly don't see Shaq + Prime LeBron getting past Sacramento in 2002. Bron wouldn't have drawn that clutch foul against Bibby the way Kobe did in Game 6.
This is true, but Kobe held his own during the 02 regular season(yes, it was the regular season, I know) and led the team to wins while Shaq missed a good chunk of the season. The only season where they weren't equal was 2000, and Kobe rose to a near-Shaq level by the end of the playoffs if that makes any sense. Shaq was the best player in the NBA by far though, so he wasn't going to equal or eclipse him at that point. IIRC, Kobe had a higher defensive win share all three years, but I could be wrong about one of the years.
As your name says, srsly? Shaq was only hands down better in 2000. After that, Kobe had plenty of his own games where he was the one clearly in control. There was that stretch during 2001 where Kobe was trying to do too much and he got injured, where Shaq showed that it was still his team. Kobe comes back, realizes he is trying to do too much, and puts up similar numbers. Kobe was a much better defensive player than Shaq, this is important to remember. Shaq didn't play a lot of defense. He seemed to have the potential, but he expended most of his energy on offense and was probably gassed and didn't put a lot of effort into it throughout most of the game. Kobe was a young, well-conditioned player that played fierce defense for the whole game. LeBron wasn't a good defender his first 5-6 years, and I think that is something to consider about swapping Kobe and LeBron on these teams, given we are doing it at the same age.
I think it was Shaq who made this observation about Kobe, but I could be wrong. After the team won in 2000, everyone celebrated throughout the offseason and came back to training camp out of shape and hadn't attempted a shot since the last game of the finals. Kobe was a young player who just won his first ring. What did he do the whole offseason? Instead of soaking it all in and celebrating like most young guys and veterans do, he spent the time in the gym, getting better, because he still had more to prove and he wasn't good enough. I think the Kobe/Shaq feud for alpha male might have fed into this hunger of his. In all honesty, LeBron is an all-time great, and would still have been considered one if he never won a title. It is all conjecture, but based on LeBron's attitude, there would have never been a feud between a young Lebron/Shaq if you swap him with Kobe. Given that, I think it is entirely plausible that a young LeBron wouldn't have responded the same way as Kobe. Is this certain? No, all of this is conjecture. We'll never know. It doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters is the misconception that Kobe and Shaq didn't have equal share of the championships starting in 2001. If you can judge something solely on one game, which isn't a good idea, Kobe carried more than his own weight when he took over game four in 2000 after Shaq fouled out. Sure, if Kobe wasn't in the game, Brian Shaw might have made the shots. We'll never know. But Kobe did step up in his fourth year to put a chokehold on the series(iirc Kobe also scored 10 straight points to get the Lakers back in the game during the game at the beginning of the second half, but I could be misremembering this game)
Ninja Scooter
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if you're talking about regular season he has a point. 01 and 02 is when Shaq got lazy and used the season to get in shape. Kobe was crucial these years in keeping the team afloat. Shaq dominated in the playoffs as usual though, but you can see a steady progression for Kobe. He was the number 2, but he made it closer every year.
Ninja Scooter
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Why we talking about Kobe and Bron anyway? Call me back when either of them does this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiltPWeQXYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiltPWeQXYo
iamshadowlark
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You dont thInk we got the point the first time you started bitching about it? We get it, hating is in your veins you can't just let it go,
look at Shaq's playoff competition. outside of the Spurs, no one could put any bodies on him. Vlade Divac and Scot Pollard weren't going to do shit. Dikembe couldn't do shit. He just pointed and laughed at the entire Nets team. Rik Smits wasn't doing shit. The ONLY team that could provide ANY defensive presence against him was San Antonio, and he ate them alive. He DOMINATED in the post season, and for good reason. if Kobe wasn't on the team, Shaq would have faced triple teams every time down the court probably. Shaq against three guys has a better chance of making a shot than Slava Medvedenko does on an open shot, so might as well triple team him.