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This is an interesting topic because I see that the sportsman is apparently being booed because of his football but it seems like his skin color/ethnicity fuels the booing even further.
So the people who are booing are masking the underlying racism with excuses about how he carries himself in football games.

I don't think it's an explicit racism.
They're booing him because he's outspoken on people being racist. And because he's a from a minority.

That's not to say they condone racism. One western bulldogs supporter was reported by 20 odd other bulldogs supporters for racist language. And they're as bogan as they come.

They just don't like someone pointing out that we have a racism issue in this country. It's like they feel he's calling them racist. And one thing Australians don't like is 'other'* people calling them racists. Even when we're being racist.

The fact is we hate minorities who challenge the way we (the majority) behave. If someone white said we had an issue then it wouldn't be an issue. There'd be a quiet respect for their opinions. But a minority speaking out of turn and lecturing to us all just gets our gander up. No matter how much truth he/she speaks. If a Malcolm Turnbull, Bob Hawke or Malcolm Fraser had of said it people would see that as 'statesmanlike'.


*'Other' as in not one of the 'Australian' majority. Yes someone has already suggested he be deported from 'our' country.

I don't know what to say other than "wow". Pretty blatant racism then?

 

[Black Republican]

Man , Aussies going ham over this shit

 

[nephilimdj]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Winmar#Racial_vilification_and_famous_photograph

This was in 22 years ago.

Still happening.

Good thing we have people saying its not happening
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/07/30/dodd-slams-moronic-mcmaster

"The fans aren't calling out ape noises like you can get in European football, but we don't want it to go back to being a country that's going to be known for abusing people on the sporting field because of their beliefs and their race.

 

[captainraincoat]

Goodes is a fuckwit

People boo him because he plays dirty..stages for free kicks and is an arrogant prick in real life from personal exp...i met him just after he was made Australian of the year and he was a little bitch....humble is defiantly a word i would use with him

If goodes was white he would get booed just an many of the other players with a history get booed and now he has basically poured petrol on the whole thing and now everyone's labeled as a racist if they dont like it

going to be interesting when he goes back to playing as the media have beaten this up and labeled everyone as a racist but the public are just sick of it and wish he would just retire now as he is a sook who plays the race card.

The crowd knows a wanker when they see one and if you think this is bad you should of been around when wayne carey was playing...the shit the crowd used to hang on him would make sailors run away

 

[chicko1983]

I dont agree with him being a fuckwit, the player is a champion and I love watching him play.

However it is a weird situation because there are so many reasons why people are saying they are booing, and some of them Id say are racist and others not.

People say they boo him because he is dirty - why dont they boo Sam Mitchell similarly?

People sometimes do boo the villians of the game - I have boo'd Wayne Carey, Nathan Buckley and James Hird while being at the footy. I am dark skinned and I am booing a white man because they are good players and I am trying to make them underperform - does that make me a racist?

I hate people who are using the boo as a derogatory comment they can use in public instead of an ape call or the like - Im sure there are some people booing that are in this category.

I would still quite happily boo an umpire if they made a bad decision - is this bad?

There are so many confusing angles in this saga. However, the guy is obviously upset about it and feels it is racist - therefore I would stop doing it personally.

 

[Dryk]

Mum pulled out the "well he does look like an ape" line over dinner. FML

 

[chicko1983]

Mum pulled out the "well he does look like an ape" line over dinner. FML

I feel sorry for your Mum.

However, is that glossy black cockatoo in your avatar? Where are you from?

 

[Dryk]

However, is that glossy black cockatoo in your avatar? Where are you from?

Adelaide. It's one of the African Grey Parrots at the Adelaide Zoo

 

[chicko1983]

It's one of the African Grey Parrots at the Adelaide Zoo

cool, I am not a bird fan but I was thinking you may have been from Kangaroo Island, where glossy blacks are fighting endangerment. My family has a place at KI so know about those birds, though obviously not enough to spot one!

 

[Zakalwe]

My partner is Muslim, she recently went to Australia and even though she doesn't wear a scarf, her surname was enough to constantly produce casual racism.

She said it popped up in conversation all the time, even when it had nothing to do with her to begin with. For example, a waiter serving her and her sister, mid conversation, started to comment on Muslims taking over Australian culture and that if they wanted to stay in their country they should respect the culture and not polute it with their own (she didn't comment on the fact culture and religion are different things).

When my girlfriend politely informed him she'd Muslim, he out right ignored her and asks with a smile if they're ready to order.

This kind of thing happened daily during her two week stay.

 

[chicko1983]

My partner is Muslim, she recently went to Australia and even though she doesn't wear a scarf, her surname was enough to constantly produce casual racism.

She said it popped up in conversation all the time, even when it had nothing to do with her to begin with. For example, a waiter serving her and her sister, mid conversation, started to comment on Muslims taking over Australian culture and that if they wanted to stay in their country they should respect the culture and not polute it with their own (she didn't comment on the fact culture and religion are different things).

When my girlfriend politely informed him she'd Muslim, he out right ignored her and asks with a smile if they're ready to order.

This kind of thing happened daily during her two week stay.

yeah doesnt surprise me.

I regularly feel like I get second hand treatment at bars and restaurants because of my appearance (Im adopted from Sri Lanka).

I have also been racially abused on the sporting field three times where I have had letters written to me as apologies and opposition have been suspended from competition. None of the times I made a complaint, but the opposition clubs took action in their own hands.

Countless other times I have had things said that were not as bad as those three incidents.

I grew up in an Australian family so can see that half the times things were said because I was half decent and the opposition didn't like it. Looking back on it now though, there have been lots of openly racist people I have come across on the sporting field.

 

[wachie]

They're booing him because he's from a minority and he's outspoken on racism.

Not "They're booing him because he's from a minority and they're booing him because he's outspoken on racism"

Whilst it's still clearly racism, it's not as overt as this thread would have you believe.

Amazing.

Please don't be Australian.

 

[THRILLH0]

The thing that gets me is that the list of people who blame Goodes for this mess reads like an absolute parade of idiots:

Sam Newman
Alan Jones
Shane Warne
Miranda Devine
Dermott Brereton
Andrew Bolt
Jason Akermanis
Rita Panahi
Barry Hall

I mean are you kidding me? How on earth could someone willingly side with all of those clowns?

 

[Tim the Wiz]

If goodes was white he would get booed just an many of the other players with a history get booed and now he has basically poured petrol on the whole thing and now everyone's labeled as a racist if they dont like it

The crowd knows a wanker when they see one and if you think this is bad you should of been around when wayne carey was playing...the shit the crowd used to hang on him would make sailors run away

I was around for the Carey booing. Wasn't this much, certainly not on this level. Plenty of dirtier or meaner or more arrogant and outspoken players have never experienced anything comparable to this level of booing. Anyone who says this situation isn't unprecedented is in denial.

going to be interesting when he goes back to playing as the media have beaten this up and labeled everyone as a racist but the public are just sick of it and wish he would just retire now as he is a sook who plays the race card.

This is the heart of the matter. Like I said in the politics thread, most Aboriginal players don't make themselves heard on issues of racism, and especially don't confront people on the matter. Goodes did. It doesn't matter how respectable or accomplished he is, that scares a lot of racists.

 

[Ochre]

Amazing.

Please don't be Australian.

Sigh. Did you read the post I was quoting?

People were believing he was being booed literally just for being Indigenous, which is not the case.

I've already said it's clear racism about 10 times, do you need me to make it 11 for you?

 

[THRILLH0]

Goodes is a fuckwit

Lie

he plays dirty..stages for free kicks

Lie

and is an arrogant prick in real life from personal exp

Lie

...i met him just after he was made Australian of the year and he was a little bitch

Lie

If goodes was white he would get booed

Lie

the public are just sick of it and wish he would just retire now as he is a sook who plays the race card.

Lie

 

[Yagharek]

The thing that gets me is that the list of people who blame Goodes for this mess reads like an absolute parade of idiots:

Sam Newman
Alan Jones
Shane Warne
Miranda Devine
Dermot Brereton
Andrew Bolt
Jason Akermanis
Rita Panahi
Barry Hall

I mean are you kidding me? How on earth could someone willingly side with all of those clowns?

Exactly. Note also Brereton is a well known racist, especially after his run in with Nicky Winmar, quoted earlier.

Sam Newman dressed in blackface on national tv impersonating winmar.

Andrew Bolt was taken to court for claiming aboriginal people weren't "black enough".

If you're on the same side of the debate as these illustrious racists, well, ...

 

[chicko1983]

Exactly. Note also Brereton is a well known racist, especially after his run in with Nicky Winmar, quoted earlier.

Sam Newman dressed in blackface on national tv impersonating winmar.

Andrew Bolt was taken to court for claiming aboriginal people weren't "black enough".

If you're on the same side of the debate as these illustrious racists, well, ...

yep, that list sums it up really, doesnt it.

 

[Warchild]

Goodes is a fuckwit

People boo him because he plays dirty..stages for free kicks and is an arrogant prick in real life from personal exp...i met him just after he was made Australian of the year and he was a little bitch....humble is defiantly a word i would use with him

If goodes was white he would get booed just an many of the other players with a history get booed and now he has basically poured petrol on the whole thing and now everyone's labeled as a racist if they dont like it

going to be interesting when he goes back to playing as the media have beaten this up and labeled everyone as a racist but the public are just sick of it and wish he would just retire now as he is a sook who plays the race card.

The crowd knows a wanker when they see one and if you think this is bad you should of been around when wayne carey was playing...the shit the crowd used to hang on him would make sailors run away

Agreed. The biggest drama queen this game has seen.

 

[Branduil]

Agreed. The biggest drama queen this game has seen.

I wonder how good you would be at your job with people booing you the entire time, all the time, and with some of them yelling derogatory slurs at you.

 

[chicko1983]

I wonder how good you would be at your job with people booing you the entire time, all the time, and with some of them yelling derogatory slurs at you.

There was an old dude at my work who answered this question with "yeah well he gets paid a lot of money so he should learn to deal with it".

I had to walk out of the room at that point.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

So because he's aboriginal?

Yes, but not because he's aboriginal.

 

[Warchild]

I wonder how good you would be at your job with people booing you the entire time, all the time, and with some of them yelling derogatory slurs at you.

Have you ever watched a sporting event in your entire life?

 

[Branduil]

Have you ever watched a sporting event in your entire life?

Hundreds, and none of them involved a single player being booed continuously by everyone for the crime of being a minority and talking about it.

 

[THRILLH0]

Have you ever watched a sporting event in your entire life?

Plenty mate.

I've seen players who have taken drugs, cheated, assaulted women, stolen cars, used homophobic and racist slurs, slept with underage girls, players who have been investigated for murder ffs

NONE of them have been booed the way Goodes has for the past 18 months.

Explain that.

 

[Warchild]

Hundreds, and none of them involved a single player being booed continuously by everyone for the crime of being a minority and talking about it.

No evidence so far to suggest this besides baseless media speculation and Goodes being a drama queen.

Rioli is playing right now and not getting booed. Interesting.

 

[Yagharek]

No evidence so far to suggest this besides baseless media speculation and Goodes being a drama queen.

Rioli is playing right now and not getting booed. Interesting.

Look, its proof racism never ever occurred in the history of the world because its not happening to Rioli right now. CASE CLOSED!

 

[Warchild]

Look, its proof racism never ever occurred in the history of the world because its not happening to Rioli right now. CASE CLOSED!

Look, its proof its always racism cause a black guy is being booed, CASE CLOSED!

 

[THRILLH0]

Rioli is playing right now and not getting booed. Interesting.

And funnily enough, he himself has stated he thinks it's racial and should stop.

The mind boggles right?

 

[Yagharek]

Look, its proof its always racism cause a black guy is being booed, CASE CLOSED!

Two inane posts in a row.

 

[Ochre]

Look, its proof its always racism cause a black guy is being booed, CASE CLOSED!

Yeah, because this started when Ryder was booed by Essendon fans right?

 

[Westlo]

Yeah, because this started when Ryder was booed by Essendon fans right?

I loved how we had a sook about West Coast fans booing the shit out of Jobe and the next week we boo'd the shit out of our ex player Monfries after he got an early free kick.

Heck we boo'd the shit out of stanton enough and he was our own player.

 

[Warchild]

And funnily enough, he himself has stated he thinks it's racial and should stop.

The mind boggles right?

And others state that they don't think it's racial. No evidence has been presented to make a definitive call one way or another.

There are a lot of aboriginal players in our great game that don't get booed, period. Except Goodes. The game won't miss him and will be better off when he goes.

 

[The Last Wizard]

Might be time to cancel Australia until such time that they can learn some manners.

What do you expect from a country founded of criminals and scared of two yorkies?

 

[THRILLH0]

The game won't miss him and will be better off when he goes.

Deadset moron you are.

There's a reason every single captain, coach and official has come out in support of Goodes.

But nah, some mug on a message board's got it all figured out.

The moron who told him to "get back to the zoo" denied he was a racist so clearly there are some AFL fans who really aren't qualified to figure out if it's racist or not.

 

[chicko1983]

And others state that they don't think it's racial. No evidence has been presented to make a definitive call one way or another.

There are a lot of aboriginal players in our great game that don't get booed, period. Except Goodes. The game won't miss him and will be better off when he goes.

there was a debate in the US last year about Richard Sherman being called a "thug" repeatedly in the media.

The word by itself is not racist, similarly to how booing is not racist in isolation, but the debate was about whether "thug" was some people's way of calling him something a lot worse, without actually doing it. It became a substitute word for many people to use instead of the "n" word.

This type of booing to Goodes, is like people calling Richard Sherman a thug. People are using it as an excuse to be openly racist and hide behind the fact that "booing isnt racist".

If they started booing Rioli tonight, they could not hide behind the excuses they are using to justify the open racism they exhibit towards Goodes.

The game wont be better without a 2 time brownlow, 2 time premiership player running around.

 

[Warchild]

Deadset moron you are.

There's a reason every single captain, coach and official has come out in support of Goodes.

But nah, some mug on a message board's got it all figured out.

The moron who told him to "get back to the zoo" denied he was a racist so clearly there are some AFL fans who really aren't qualified to figure out if it's racist or not.

When he retires at seasons end this won't matter regardless. At this point in time he's just the hot media topic and a distraction to the game until finals begin.

Next year, when no Aboriginal players are booed by the crowd, we can go back to normal proceedings.

 

[speedpop]

I haven't said much about this issue, both to work colleagues who follow AFL and general friends despite them knowing full-well my Aboriginal lineage, however I have to say that if anything it is incredibly disheartening because Goodes is a well-known figure in AFL and I'm sure many young Aboriginal players currently scrimmaging in the local clubs look up to him as an inspiration. Considering the amount of Aboriginal players who do come through the ranks and get drafted in to the AFL makes it all the more humiliating. Players talk about overcoming the fear of playing at an MCG Final - what about the fear of being boo'd right in your face every time you touch the ball or score a goal?

I'm sure most if not all club supporters would not hesitate to laud Goodes if he was on their team but the anonymity of being able to boo with an ignorant crowd against someone (who despite the naysayers saying it isn't racially motivated yet Goodes has had racial sledges thrown at him previously) is easy to do.

The league itself celebrates the damn culture with Indigenous Round. If that isn't horrifying considering the circumstances involved then I don't know what is.

 

[Warchild]

there was a debate in the US last year about Richard Sherman being called a "thug" repeatedly in the media.

The word by itself is not racist, similarly to how booing is not racist in isolation, but the debate was about whether "thug" was some people's way of calling him something a lot worse, without actually doing it. It became a substitute word for many people to use instead of the "n" word.

This type of booing to Goodes, is like people calling Richard Sherman a thug. People are using it as an excuse to be openly racist and hide behind the fact that "booing isnt racist".

If they started booing Rioli tonight, they could not hide behind the excuses they are using to justify the open racism they exhibit towards Goodes.

The game wont be better without a 2 time brownlow, 2 time premiership player running around.

I'll just ask you straight out; why is Goodes the only aboriginal player being booed right now?

Off the top of my head, there's something like 5% (don't quote me) of the competition that have aboriginal heritage, but they're not booed.

Surely if you have an issue with one black person, you have them with all?

 

[speedpop]

I'll just ask you straight out; why is Goodes the only aboriginal player being booed right now?

Off the top of my head, there's something like 5% (don't quote me) of the competition that have aboriginal heritage, but they're not booed.

Surely if you have an issue with one black person, you have them with all?

Why should he get booed in the first place? If it has anything to do with his play style, then I'm certain that there are plenty of other players out there who are far more questionable in playing tactics.

 

[Warchild]

Why should he get booed in the first place? If it has anything to do with his play style, then I'm certain that there are plenty of other players out there who are far more questionable in playing tactics.

The best players and big personalities are often targets of booing, not just the dirty players (although this is often the case too).

People go to the footy and vent. I don't go to the footy but if I was there, I'd probably boo too.

I'd still like to know why Goodes is the only one being targeted and none of the other indigenous boys are.

 

[Branduil]

"I don't boo all aboriginal players" is the new "I have black friends."

 

[Warchild]

"I don't boo all aboriginal players" is the new "I have black friends."

It seems skirting around the question is the easiest option.

Doesn't fit with the racism narrative I guess.

 

[chicko1983]

I'll just ask you straight out; why is Goodes the only aboriginal player being booed right now?

Off the top of my head, there's something like 5% (don't quote me) of the competition that have aboriginal heritage, but they're not booed.

Surely if you have an issue with one black person, you have them with all?

Why is Goodes the only indigenous player being booed right now?

My own opinion was that it started because he was a good player and people wanted to get under his skin, similar to how other greats like Buckley and Carey coped it when coming to Footy Park.

However, I believe that those boos have morphed into being racist as the majority of people booing can now hide behind the anonymity of a large crowd and behind cheap excuses such as "booing is part of the game", "hes a dirty player", "I met him once and he's arrogant" etc. while being openly racist towards him.

You can have an issue with many people but only be openly vocal about one, that is not unimaginable to me.

As I said in my previous post, if the racists started booing someone else like they do Goodes, they can't hide behind many of their soft excuses as to why Goodes deserves to be booed.

 

[speedpop]

The best players and big personalities are often targets of booing, not just the dirty players (although this is often the case too).

People go to the footy and vent. I don't go to the footy but if I was there, I'd probably boo too.

And yet he's gone throughout his 15+ year career without an intensified instance such as this occasion where even the Prime Minister says his piece against the actions of the crowd and the AFL Players Association releases a statement condemning it. But eh, the shitstorm since the "Ape!" incident went down has subsided and all of a sudden it's fine to boo him relentlessly. But what has Goodes done specifically between then and now? The man is on the step of retirement. If anything he deserves the dignity of being cheered for what he has achieved with the Swans and for the AFL in general.


But fuck it. Talk about ostrich head being in the sand.

 

[Warchild]

Why is Goodes the only indigenous player being booed right now?

My own opinion was that it started because he was a good player and people wanted to get under his skin, similar to how other greats like Buckley and Carey coped it when coming to Footy Park.

However, I believe that those boos have morphed into being racist as the majority of people booing can now hide behind the anonymity of a large crowd and behind cheap excuses such as "booing is part of the game", "hes a dirty player", "I met him once and he's arrogant" etc. while being openly racist towards him.

You can have an issue with many people but only be openly vocal about one, that is not unimaginable to me.

As I said in my previous post, if the racists started booing someone else like they do Goodes, they can't hide behind many of their soft excuses as to why Goodes deserves to be booed.

I've made my stance clear that I don't think it's out and out racism but as for your last point, I agree. If this becomes systematic targeting of Aboriginals and we see a pattern forming then yeah, that sucks and we should be enforcing life time stadium bans on these people. There's no room in the game (or society) for this.

 

[PhantomZone]

As I said in my previous post, if the racists started booing someone else like they do Goodes, they can't hide behind many of their soft excuses as to why Goodes deserves to be booed.

I boo Goodes because he is a dirty thug of a player
I boo Franklin because he is a traitor to Hawthorn did the dirty behind the clubs back, the team he signed up with was the very club he lost against in the 2012 grand final and alledgedly started talking about switching to them the few days after that match!!
I think Jetta is over rated, laughed at him whenever he would be flattened by a better player. Will be booing him after his war dance last weekend (because it was a poorly timed effort, the middle finger at the end showed his true colours).

 

[jambo]

I boo Goodes because he is a dirty thug of a player

You support HAWTHORN!

 

[Yagharek]

I think Jetta is over rated, laughed at him whenever he would be flattened by a better player. Will be booing him after his war dance last weekend (because it was a poorly timed effort, the middle finger at the end showed his true colours).

The middle finger was fair game given it was in defence of his teammate copping the racist abuse.

 

[chicko1983]

I boo Goodes because he is a dirty thug of a player
I boo Franklin because he is a traitor to Hawthorn did the dirty behind the clubs back, the team he signed up with was the very club he lost against in the 2012 grand final and alledgedly started talking about switching to them the few days after that match!!
I think Jetta is over rated, laughed at him whenever he would be flattened by a better player. Will be booing him after his war dance last weekend (because it was a poorly timed effort).

Yeah Im sure there are some people booing that have "legitimate" footballing reasons to boo. That is where I think the original booing has come from - people thinking he did "dirty" things on the field or because he was one of those really good opposition players.

However, those people are far from the majority of people that are booing towards Goodes now IMO. The majority of people booing, in my opinion, are racist and using excuses and anonymity to get away with it.

Imagine if you kept punching someone in the arm, in the same spot, over and over, and they didnt say anything until the tenth or twelfth time, where they ask you to stop because they don't like being punched. Then you punch them there again. Does that make you or him the jerk?