Someone once told me that Australia is Alabama with cooler accents.
I see it and it has scared me away. I wanted to go there within the next 2 years for vacation. Now I am favoring Germany more.
Australia - do not go unless white.
Guys I am a dark skinned Australian. You have walked into a discussion about racism, of course you will see people's opinions you don't agree with.
However, I've travelled the world over five times, been to every continent (except Antartica) and too many countries to count, and racism in Australia, while it does exist, is less openly accepted than any other country I have been to.
In Australia, racism is generally not public, and people treat tourists very well, no matter where they are from or the color of their skin. It's very egalitarian, more than any other place in the world, and it's as diverse culturally than any other place, except in the big cities like LA.
Where racism is prelevant, as far as I observe and in the city I am in, is towards indigenous Australians, practicing Muslims, "boat people" (though a lot of people fear these but don't know where they are from) and a lot of the recent African refugees that have come to Australia.
Come to Australia and you'll be fine and youll love it.
That's a good question chicko,
Perhaps liken Goodes to Tuck. Many don't think Tuck is a legend because he never won a best and fairest or a brownlow. Or even liken him to Quinlan. What has Quinlan ever done to be a legend? Is Brad Johnson a legend of the game?
Mike Pike? Perhaps the luckiest bloke to ever play the game in terms of premierships won - is he a legend?
In your mind are they all legends? In my mind they aren't.
On pure football ability Goodes would be better than Pike and Johnson, perhaps even Tuck (I'd say not but that is probably my bias)
It's hard to say who is a legend of football but if it's on pure football ability, as it should be, then he is well behind Voss, Buckley and Hird. He is on the same level as Crawford and Harvey.
Well, Darren Jarman was the most skill player and best football brain of the last 30 years I have seen. Ahead of any of those names you have mentioned and has the individual honours to match. Even akermanis was more skillful than Buckley, who had a massive engine but I could count the number of left foot kicks in his career on one hand.
Legends are not ajudged by their footballing ability. Legend status comes from a combination of things, not just footballing ability, in my opinion.
This is the selection criteria that the afl use for legend status in the hall of fame:
The Committee shall consider a candidate's outstanding service and overall contribution to the game of Australian Football in determining a candidate's eligibility for induction into the Hall of Fame.
Without limiting clause 5.1, the Committee may consider a candidate's individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character.
The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidate's eligibility.
A player, coach, umpire, administrator or media representative involved at any level of Australian Football may be eligible for induction into the Hall of Fame.
Candidates shall be adjudged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football, as opposed to one specific aspect.
So based on that criteria, as far as I can tell from your posts, you'd be arguing that he doesn't have much integrity, sportsmanship and character as well as his footballing ability not being top notch.
However, I'd argue that because he has won 2 brownlows (which are awarded to best and most fair player,so I'd say the afl rates his integrity and sportsmanship), he's an Australian of the year (so people have judged him to be of good character, much more than Hird of Buckley).
His ability is unquestioned. I mean you are ranking him with Crawford and Harvey, who are Brownlow winners themselves. This is top tier footballing ability.
And you'd have to say that his contribution to the game, especially for indigenous players, has been huge too.
And Martin pike is considered a legend by many South Australian fans, especially Norwood fans like me.
