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[JC Sera]

Ok a lot of the backlash to racism is people go racism=bad of the bad, and I know I am not a bad person, there fore I'm not a racism
if you are racist you can be an ok person, its just an internalized bias that you need to work on and be aware of
but seriously man
look into yourself and be completely honest
can you 100% say your motivation to boo is free of racial bias?

 

[roosters93]

I'm a bit tired of your booing diary tbh phantom

 

[PhantomZone]

The middle finger was fair game given it was in defence of his teammate copping the racist abuse.

Ummm NO, you don't stick your middle finger up at the crowd no matter who you are. Goodes did this himself last year as well, another FLOG act.

You support HAWTHORN!

And we're going for three premierships in a row ?

 

[Yagharek]

Ummm NO, you don't stick your middle finger up at the crowd no matter who you are. Goodes did this himself last year as well, another FLOG act.

Flog act? Please. If the crowd are taunting with racist abuse and boos, they deserve it.

 

[PhantomZone]

Flog act? Please. If the crowd are taunting with racist abuse and boos, they deserve it.

Haha racist abuse, booing is not racist at all.

 

[Yagharek]

Haha racist abuse, booing is not racist at all.

In this instance it was; hence it being a major news story all this week. I guess if you refuse to acknowledge that then sure, but remember the list of people making the same argument as you are. It's a specious justification at best.

 

[munchie64]

Haha racist abuse, booing is not racist at all.

His post does not say that at all.

 

[PhantomZone]

In this instance it was; hence it being a major news story all this week. I guess if you refuse to acknowledge that then sure, but remember the list of people making the same argument as you are. It's a specious justification at best.

Booing is not being racist

If you can't handle being booed while playing sport you suck at life.

Sure if you're being hurled derogatory names you have the right to complain and be offended. But if all you're getting is booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you need a nice tall glass of harden up juice.

 

[Yagharek]

Booing is not being racist

If you can't handle being booed while playing sport you suck at life.

Sure if you're being hurled derogatory names you have the right to complain and be offended. But if all you're getting is booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you need a nice tall glass of harden up juice.

Booing isn't racist.

Booing the same person week in week out relentlessly through games after they pointed out a person in the crowd who called them an ape?

Racist.

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist.

 

[PhantomZone]

Booing isn't racist.

Booing the same person week in week out relentlessly through games after they pointed out a person in the crowd who called them an ape?

Racist.

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist.

Get your hand off it!

You can't prove that every single booer is targeting him because of the colour of his skin.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Good win for the Tigers tonight eh?

That jersey...

 

[Yagharek]

Get your hand off it!

You can't prove that every single booer is targeting him because of the colour of his skin.

Is that you, Alan Jones? OR Jason Akermanis?

I can't tell.

 

[HIR0]

not relevant to the topic

 

[Tim the Wiz]

I'll just ask you straight out; why is Goodes the only aboriginal player being booed right now?

Off the top of my head, there's something like 5% (don't quote me) of the competition that have aboriginal heritage, but they're not booed.

Surely if you have an issue with one black person, you have them with all?

This is counter-factual nonsense. There's a long history of racists having no problem with black people so long as they know their place.

 

[JC Sera]

I have never felt the feeling of hitting my head repeatedly against a brick wall vicariously until reading this thread

 

[PhantomZone]

Is that you, Alan Jones? OR Jason Akermanis?

I can't tell.

It's Alan Akermanis obviously


You can't prove that every booer in the ground is racist. And you can't stop everyone from booing #bantheboos

 

[Yagharek]

I have never felt the feeling of hitting my head repeatedly against a brick wall vicariously until reading this thread

If you bang it hard enough you too could become a West Coast Eagles member.

You can't prove that every booer in the ground is racist. And you can't stop everyone from booing #bantheboos

You're being deliberately obtuse. Booing is normal, but it rarely continues beyond a single game, e.g. when someone injures another player with a high hit. Maybe for former players of a club it continues for a while longer.

If you honestly can't see why Goodes is getting targeted, and how it is not the usual run-of-the-mill booing then maybe you should consider a career as an umpire.

 

[burnjanso]

I got banned once for saying how racist Australia is as a country.

So I'll refrain from commenting.

I guess you can't really say A country is more racist than B country.
However, in a repost of what I said some time ago, I must say that racism that occur in Australia is very distinct because of their particular racism towards Indigenous Australians, racism against groups from language backgrounds other than English and also prejudice against people who do not have British and Celtic backgrounds.

 

[PhantomZone]

If you bang it hard enough you too could become a West Coast Eagles member.



You're being deliberately obtuse. Booing is normal, but it rarely continues beyond a single game, e.g. when someone injures another player with a high hit. Maybe for former players of a club it continues for a while longer.

If you honestly can't see why Goodes is getting targeted is not the usual run-of-the-mill booing then maybe you should consider a career as an umpire.

People don't forget, hence why Gunston is still booed by Adelaide fans

Leigh Colbert was booed massively when he switched teams.

He can't handle boos months after saying he was fine with it and it was a sign of respect. Goodes is mentally soft and the sooner he retires the better.

 

[chicko1983]

You can't prove that every single booer is targeting him because of the colour of his skin.

Ding, ding, ding, this is why racist people think they can boo him and get away with it.

 

[DeSo]

Why is this booing still going on so long after the original incident?

 

[Yagharek]

People don't forget, hence why Gunston is still booed by Adelaide fans

Gunston switched teams; gets booed by old club's supporters.

Leigh Colbert was booed massively when he switched teams.

Colbert switched teams; gets booed by old club's supporters.

He can't handle boos months after saying he was fine with it and it was a sign of respect. Goodes is mentally soft and the sooner he retires the better.

Goodes calls out racist crowd behaviour. Gets booed by crowds from multiple unrelated clubs.

Tell me which of those instance is the odd one out.

 

[Ambient80]

I've found that, like celebrities and their fans, some sports fans lose track of the fact that these athletes are actual people playing on the field, and the things they chant and yell can be really hurtful/offensive. I'm actually impressed a lot more athletes don't throw it back at the fans sometimes.

 

[PhantomZone]

Alright and how are you going to solve the booing problem ?

ban everyone from booing ? would love to see you try!

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Alright and how are you going to solve the booing problem ?

ban everyone from booing ? would love to see you try!

You really do sound like a petulant brat now with your 'booing' BS.

 

[H.Protagonist]

Gunston switched teams; gets booed by old club's supporters.



Colbert switched teams; gets booed by old club's supporters.



Goodes calls out racist crowd behaviour. Gets booed by crowds from multiple unrelated clubs.

Tell me which of those instance is the odd one out.

You're arguing with a child at this point, Yagharek, and one with his fingers in his ears at that.

 

[Yagharek]

Alright and how are you going to solve the booing problem ?

ban everyone from booing ? would love to see you try!

Stop the game. Simple. If the crowd keeps it up, play it midweek at a closed stadium. We'll see if the crowd grows up then.

 

[Yrael]

I'll just ask you straight out; why is Goodes the only aboriginal player being booed right now?

Because he's the most vocal about fighting racism, which makes many people uncomfortable; they tend to excuse their negative reaction and discomfort about racism being brought to the forefront of the national consciousness by accusing him of being an attention seeker.

 

[burnjanso]

Stop the game. Simple. If the crowd keeps it up, play it midweek at a closed stadium. We'll see if the crowd grows up then.

Why won't the non racist crowds in the stadium do something about it? If the person sitting next to me kept up these racist booing, I would have told him to quiet down.

 

[Yagharek]

Why won't the non racist crowds in the stadium do something about it? If the person sitting next to me kept up these racist booing, I would have told him to quiet down.

Thats the idea. Primary school behaviour management. If the bad apples don't act reasonably, then everyone suffers the consequences.

 

[Jimrpg]

Alright and how are you going to solve the booing problem ?

ban everyone from booing ? would love to see you try!

Are you are saying because everyone is booing it's ok to join in? And if its not banned its ok to boo?

At the moment, Goodes is affected by the booing so why not stop? Dude is holding a white flag. It doesn't even feel like a cop out either, seems pretty legit he's affected.

 

[El'Kharn]

If people aren't booing at him because he's an aborigine, they what would they be booing him for? Is he a terrible footballer? Does he have a terrible reputation off the field? It seems like he's a pretty swell guy who helps troubled youth and won Australian of the year 2014. The fact that the booing "intensified" after he displayed an indigenous dance would make the source of their ire it fairly clear, yeah?

The main reason is not because of his color but his skill, hes just too good and the opposing fans know it.
As for the stupid shit being said about Australia well of course because a minority is racist we all are. geez

 

[H.Protagonist]

Americans are pretty good about talking about things and airing grievances. It sometimes appears to us like a mess and we sometimes only hear about the crazies but there's a lot of good conversation going on about race in the states that has sorely been lacking here in Australia.

Well, we've have many, many tumultuous years of airing things out. When people say America is racist it's tempting to blame it on the vocal fringe crazies because most people aren't like that, but I think most of us also agree that we're still fairly riddled with (at the least) casual racism and that we should root it out when and where we can. Being as mixed as we are also puts it more at the forefront, so the conversation doesn't get dismissed as easily as it might in more homogeneous countries. We still have a loooong way to go, though.

As someone who pretty much just sits there quietly stressed while watching my team I can still recognize that some like to cheer and hurl abuse.

Am I allowed to tell Hawkins that I think he ate too many pies but I can't boo him when lining up for goal?

Players abuse opposition players as well - should that be stopped?

Sure, but there are limits. Getting booed for a shit tackle or bad behavior when it happens is fine. It makes sense. Getting booed for over a year any time you touch the ball doesn't. No one is calling for a ban on all booing. Just some common sense/decency. I don't know why the kneejerk reaction to this from the 'it's not racism' crowd is to keep trotting out the 'you're trying to take away my right to boo!' when most of us are not calling it as an all or nothing ultimatum.

You can still tease Hawkins for his gut, but can you acknowledge that what's happening to Goodes is out of realm of normalcy? There's no comparing the two.

People aren't sensitive enough when it comes to racism against indigenous people in Australia.

The casual racism is absolutely rampant in WA in particular. More people like Goodes need to make more of a statement because there are elements of this country that need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the 18th century, let alone into the 21st.

Here too, I'd say (VIC). Some of the stuff that just drops so casually from people's mouths (people I like and hang out with) shocks me. As if racism is somehow limited to only the darkest, most foul of comments, and if someone hangs shy of that to any degree it doesn't count.

 

[Yagharek]

Here too, I'd say (VIC). Some of the stuff that just drops so casually from people's mouths (people I like and hang out with) shocks me. As if racism is somehow limited to only the darkest, most foul of comments, and if someone hangs shy of that to any degree it doesn't count.

I had a taxi driver last fortnight tell me about why he doesn't like working in Broome because of "the black problem". Ive had several similar encounters (taxi drivers all of them, and one work colleague), and they all seem to think that because I'm white that its ok to talk like that.

 

[legend166]

Why is this booing still going on so long after the original incident?

There's a lot of racist people like Phantom Zone that keep it going.

 

[JC Sera]

Nation Turns To Racists For Guidance On Sensitive Racial Issue

I love the backburner

 

[hirokazu]

I don't see the need to boo any opposition player or team. Always seemed like poor behaviour to me. Cheer for the team you support, no need to be a nuisance to the opposing team.

Goodes is a legend, this shit is disgusting.

 

[PhantomZone]

Yeah Im sure there are some people booing that have "legitimate" footballing reasons to boo. That is where I think the original booing has come from - people thinking he did "dirty" things on the field or because he was one of those really good opposition players.

He really did do thuggish acts on the field, I mean it's not natural to try and break an opposition players leg or legs continuously!! (pot kettle black with Lewis, Hodge, Lake etc).

On your last point I boo Fyfe because of his "sniper" ways and the fact that he is now a protected species having been let off twice this season for incidents he should have been suspended for (can't rub out the potential brownlow medal winner 2 years in a row ohhhh nooooo). I recognise that he is a top player, thus I boo him to put him off his game.

Stop the game. Simple. If the crowd keeps it up, play it midweek at a closed stadium. We'll see if the crowd grows up then.

That would work, the AFL loses the thing that they care about the most - MONEY :-D.

 

[Yagharek]

On your last point I boo Fyfe because of his "sniper" ways and the fact that he is now a protected species having been let off twice this season for incidents he should have been suspended for (can't rub out the potential brownlow medal winner 2 years in a row ohhhh nooooo). I recognise that he is a top player, thus I boo him to put him off his game.

Do you have a booing spreadsheet?

 

[H.Protagonist]

I had a taxi driver last fortnight tell me about why he doesn't like working in Broome because of "the black problem". Ive had several similar encounters (taxi drivers all of them, and one work colleague), and they all seem to think that because I'm white that its ok to talk like that.

Yikes. I feel you, though. Was at a gathering a few weeks ago and I was chatting with a couple and the guy started taking about how it used to be a nice neighborhood till the immigrants came in. He kept going on and on about how they were trashing neighborhoods, mooching off the system, etc., and I was like...you know I'm an immigrant, right? He said, 'no, no, not like you. It's like those Mexicans in America that come over illegally and commit crimes and stuff.' And I was like...you know I'm Mexican, right?

 

[Yagharek]

Holy shit.

You're in Melbourne, right?

That city wouldn't be the same without immigrant populations. Indian, Thai, Italian, Vietnamese, Greek, the list goes on. Its truly baffling how anyone in Melbourne could fail to realise this.

 

[roosters93]

Goodes is mentally soft and the sooner he retires the better.

Does your brain snap and think of people completely differently if they're on the football field instead of in the crowd with you?

You wouldn't have made it anywhere near as far as Goodes in his shoes.

mentally soft? what the fucking fuck

 

[PhantomZone]

There's a lot of racist people like Phantom Zone that keep it going.

Hahaha funny thing about that is i'm not racist at all, never once uttered a put down word against any other nationality. Certainly not racist for booing Goodes or any other WHITE player.

The amusing thing is that I have been racially abused for wearing rival cricket team shirts in the past (eg: I wore the India World Cup replica top on the day of the Aus v NZ World Cup final, despite being 100% white I was still called a lot of derogatory Indian names).

Do you have a booing spreadsheet?

Nope but I boo most opposition players, it's a free country I'll boo whomever I want . Hell I'll boo Bill Shorten or Tony Abbott if I choose to.

Does your brain snap and think of people completely differently if they're on the football field instead of in the crowd with you?

You wouldn't have made it anywhere near as far as Goodes in his shoes.

mentally soft? what the fucking fuck

Cry me a river, if he can't handle being booed in a stadium of supporters he needs to get out asap. Being booed is vastly different to 30,000-100,000 people chanting racist remaarks.

 

[Yagharek]

Nope but I boo most opposition players, it's a free country I'll boo whomever I want . Hell I'll boo Bill Shorten or Tony Abbott if I choose to.

..
Cry me a river, if he can't handle being booed in a stadium of supporters he needs to get out asap. Being booed is vastly different to 30,000-100,000 people chanting racist remaarks.

There is a subtle point being made time and time and time again in this thread and at this point I can only assume you are deliberately ignoring it. This is not about the right to boo.

 

[AxeMan]

Goodes is a legend.

A legend footballer? No, not near it

 

[H.Protagonist]

Holy shit.

You're in Melbourne, right?

That city wouldn't be the same without immigrant populations. Indian, Thai, Italian, Vietnamese, Greek, the list goes on. Its truly baffling how anyone in Melbourne could fail to realise this.

Yeah. It's not usually that direct, but there's definitely an undercurrent of racial insensitivity(?) that I hear a lot, especially about the Italians, Greeks, and Muslims. That little encounter above just amused the hell out of me. Like you, I get told all sorts of stuff because I look white-as. That he tried to find common racist ground by citing one of America's particular issues was pretty funny. I didn't know people could put both feet in their mouth at the same time.

 

[PhantomZone]

There is a subtle point being made time and time and time again in this thread and at this point I can only assume you are deliberately ignoring it. This is not about the right to boo.

nag nag nag

You're not going to get people to see the forest from the trees here

 

[Yagharek]

Yeah. It's not usually that direct, but there's definitely an undercurrent of racial insensitivity(?) that I hear a lot, especially about the Italians, Greeks, and Muslims. That little encounter above just amused the hell out of me. Like you, I get told all sorts of stuff because I look white-as. That he tried to find common racist ground by citing one of America's particular issues was pretty funny. I didn't know people could put both feet in their mouth at the same time.

Did he apologise?

nag nag nag

You're not going to get people to see the forest from the trees here

Most everyone else gets it.

A legend footballer? No, not near it

Two brownlow medals, 350+ games, two premierships make a compelling case.

 

[H.Protagonist]

Did he apologise?

Not really. He seemed embarrassed in the way that people who accidentally and repeatedly call you the wrong name seem embarrassed, but there was no sign that he thought he was being racist or inappropriate. He tried to change the conversation, but I excused myself and found better company.

Anyway, it's an overt case, but that's the feeling I've gotten from pretty much everyone who's said something, ah, off-color here. They don't think they're being racist. They're just telling it like it is, or that's just what we call them here!

 

[chicko1983]

He really did do thuggish acts on the field, I mean it's not natural to try and break an opposition players leg or legs continuously!! (pot kettle black with Lewis, Hodge, Lake etc).

Its funny how I was speaking about the controversy with Richard Sherman being called a Thug as a replacement for the "n" word.

He felt that because he was black, that word was being used. Its not used to describe the white hockey players who get in fights, just black people.

Im not saying the word means the same thing in Australia, but it makes you wonder, would you be using that adjective if he was white?