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I'm good with getting tons of games I want for less than it would cost me to buy them and have companies earn Microsoft's money, versus being fed by propaganda that you're above somebody because your plastic box has a different logo on it. Anybody with any ounce of logic would prefer the option that costs less money for the same games, but I guess expecting logic on Neogaf is a fool's errand. Have fun being so jealous of people using Game Pass that you resort to calling them poor lol.

I'm confused. I'm happy for people that get enjoyment out of GamePass if that what works for them and I'll 90% buy a Series X by the end of this generation. I get why some people would love it. I just don't like the premise (in the longrun) for me personally for the reasons I stated above, so I don't really support it. I prefer Playstation's software and would prefer they don't go in that direction.

In this day and age of everything being overly politically correct, I don't think it's a good idea give ANY of these companies the benefit of the doubt when it comes to my choices as a consumer. Playstation included.

Not everything is console wars.

 

[ByWatterson]

The thing is that if you were to buy a couple of Microsoft games a year, you are better subscribing to Gamepass. If you want to play day one PlayStation games and get access to those other games you will be paying the service in addition to those 70$ games.
Really big difference IMO.

This is the right way to think about it.

It becomes even more compelling on the Microsoft side if, like me, you have limited time to play. So it's not even as much about dollars versus quantity, or even quality! It's about how much can I get out of the money I spend versus the time I have to enjoy the money spent. If there are even five games I want to play on Game Pass in a year, and I'll likely pick up two or three Sony first party titles, there's little reason for me to have this and Game Pass.

Especially, again, in the era of crossplay and free-to-play multiplayer titles.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Do the older games have trophies now? I'm guessing not if they didn't mention it

 

[AV]

That goes against how they operate their databases with their storefront. They can't just put the data on their servers and not have it be on the store. Thats money left on the table.

They have been building a new database since PS4 from my knowledge.

Yeah, they absolutely can, because they're going to force people into paying for the highest tier of Plus for legacy content and overall it will earn them more money than selling individual $5 ROMs.

I don't like it, but it's what's going to happen and they would have already told you if they were planning on dropping hundreds of individual old games onto the store.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

I am actually ok with this.

I think this is the best of both worlds. I’m cool here. Super happy essential stays the same for those happy with normal +.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do the older games have trophies now? I'm guessing not if they didn't mention it

More than likely not other than the 20+ PS2 uprezzed games already on there.

That would have been a "selling point" to mention it.

 

[reksveks]

Do we though. Don't think that's the case in the uk. Maybe in America MS are claiming back some of what the one lost them.

Definitely was the case for Europe in February

Elden Ring is the biggest new IP since The Division | European Monthly Charts

Elden Ring is Europe's biggest new games IP since The Division in 2016, and the biggest game launch since Call of Duty:…

www.gamesindustry.biz

I don't think Chris gives hardware breakdown for the UK on a monthly basis.

 

[JaksGhost]

Day 1 First Party titles have been a known NO for a long ass time and everybody stating their disappointment that they're not here is just trolling at this point.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

No word on resolution upgrades ala Xbox back-compat?

Can't wait to see those PSP Classics blown up on a 65 inch screen.

Seems a lousy offering and too many tiers.

 

[hemo memo]

Do the older games have trophies now? I'm guessing not if they didn't mention it

Yeah pretty much.

 

[Banjo64]

I feel like the end user will be confused that PSP, PS1, 2, 4 & 5 games are downloadable but no PS3. Obviously we understand why, but for a casual subscriber? Probably not.

I think they need to sort an emulation solution for PS3 as a point of priority because that console is one of the best of all times and it’s criminal that it’s library is locked to the hardware.

Overall though £84 and £99 are very attractive price points on their own.

If they do their usual 33% off subs etc for Black Friday we could be seeing even better prices.

 

[reinking]

The thing is that if you were to buy a couple of Microsoft games a year, you are better subscribing to Gamepass. If you want to play day one PlayStation games and get access to those other games you will be paying the service in addition to those 70$ games.
Really big difference IMO.

And Wtf about people comparing this to GPU. Should we ignore the PC games you are getting with that?

You make it sound like people that sub to Game Pass never pay for a retail game on top of their subscription. Evidence points to not only do they buy new 3rd party games but they also continue to purchase 1st party games. Hasn't that been an argument for a long time that Game Pass does not cannibalize Xbox game sales?

 

[Topher]

No word on resolution upgrades ala Xbox back-compat?

Can't wait to see those PSP Classics blown up on a 65 inch screen.

Seems a lousy offering and too many tiers.

sorry. I had to

 

[Papacheeks]

The thing is that if you were to buy a couple of Microsoft games a year, you are better subscribing to Gamepass. If you want to play day one PlayStation games and get access to those other games you will be paying the service in addition to those 70$ games.
Really big difference IMO.

And Wtf about people comparing this to GPU. Should we ignore the PC games you are getting with that?

I don't buy Microsoft games? They dont have enough quality wise from internal studios that I give a shit about. And I buy their games that I do play on PC via steam where I can shop around greenmangaming and the likes.

 

[AGRacing]

Low effort. Lazy. Disappointing.

Let's see a huge uprez on PSP. Titles that were previously never available... a little licensing effort. A fucking proper PS3 emulator (Yes it is possible). And where's Vita!? Is that not possible either !? Give me a break.

 

[Keihart]

I want the PS1 games I purchased on PS3/Vita to be counted and downloadable on PS4/5. This is just going to piss me off when I see these games offered on the sub service, but still not available to me on these newer systems.

This is totally going to happen, that's why they killed legacy support....probably.

 

[wvnative]

Can I buy PS1/PS2 games and play it on the PS5 without subscribing to this piece of crap?

Unclear at this time.



My take: If your a casual gamer who is never gonna fool with emulation stuff, this is a fair deal. But someone like me?

Let's face it, licensing will be a huge PITA, your not getting NFS, Burnout, and i'd be very surprised if you see FF or KH. Doubt you will see Crash/Spyro either. Emulation is mostly better.

If the PS2 selection is good I may sub if there's no individual buy option, but I have doubts it'll have a good enough selection.

Ultimately, it's fine. Not a scam nor is it some amazing deal. It's...just...fine.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

sorry. I had to

Don't be mean, I lost an avatar bet

 

[adamsapple]

No word on resolution upgrades ala Xbox back-compat?

Can't wait to see those PSP Classics blown up on a 65 inch screen.

Seems a lousy offering and too many tiers.

No, this seems like it's just merging PS Now without any upgrades to the infrastructure end.

PS Now is just streaming off of native PS3 hardware, so it won't get any enhancements.

 

[DForce]

Poster: I don't see Sony releasing games day one on the new service.
Same Poster Today: What?! They're not releasing games day one on the service? This is terrible!

People love to be overdramatic just to get some attention.

 

[Topher]

Don't be mean, I lost an avatar bet

lol.....I was wondering about that! My sympathies.

 

[jshackles]

No word on resolution upgrades ala Xbox back-compat?

Can't wait to see those PSP Classics blown up on a 65 inch screen.

Seems a lousy offering and too many tiers.

Agreed. Not even sure what the point of the middle tier is. I guess you'll be someone who likes paying subscriptions for games - but not enough to commit a little more $ and get twice as many...

EDIT: I guess the top tier is the only one that includes game streaming so... I guess there's that.

 

[splattered]

I have a feeling this is going to launch so poorly Sony is going to pivot and add everything that should have been included real quick. They are just testing the waters to see how mindless their subscribers really are and what they can get away with.

 

[Chukhopops]

I just realized that they didn’t announce any extension of streaming for PS5 games to be played on PC, and that PC is mentioned just once in the announcement.

It’s surprising to be honest, do they even plan at this point to have PS5 streaming?

• Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***

Feels weird when they say they’re going to add Returnal… unless there’s a Pc port on the way?

 

[Topher]

Agreed. Not even sure what the point of the middle tier is. I guess you'll be someone who likes paying subscriptions for games - but not enough to commit a little more $ and get twice as many...

Really? The middle tier is the most compelling change to me. An extra $40 a year for 400 PS4/PS5 games? Still have to wait and see what the games are, but still.

I just realized that they didn’t announce any extension of streaming for PS5 games to be played on PC, and that PC is mentioned just once in the announcement.

It’s surprising to be honest, do they even plan at this point to have PS5 streaming?

I think that will come when they launch their services in Azure.

 

[sinnergy]

So basically this is Xbox back compat , but paid? Really missed the boat with day one First party releases imo.

 

[Papacheeks]

I don't see anything that leads me to believe Microsoft doesn't have their studios in check. They just need to get the games out. The reliance on Bethesda, Activision, etc. is what makes the future of Gamepass so interesting.

I’m hoping this move by Sony at least gets Microsoft to include online play in console gamepass. $240 per year to be able to play many hundreds of games sounds great to me.

You been under a rock? Infinite came in hot, still no co-op, no forge or content path and its end of fucking March? RARE restarted their title called Everwild twice and lead that had been with the studio for a long time left? Undead Labs from Phil Spencer's interview sounds like they are still way away from actually having something to show. The inititiative PD game is still years away with half the studio leaving and Crystal Dynamics developing the game?

Fable is still 2 years away, and we have no clue on even where the game is development wise?

Studios they cultured themselves are the ones Im talking about. Obsidian, BETHESDA and the likes are already established studios who were working on projects before hand. They wont have issues. So those titles I'll just buy.

Where Gamepass looks better in my opinion is when you have Undead labs, Initiaitive, 343, RARE on top of established studios putting put games that are of quality. Right now its select few that I know from past development projects that they will be good. LIke The outer Worlds 2, Avowed. Those guys know how to make games in a timely fashion.

For me content wise Sony is my go to, with things im interested in like Modern warfare 2, Outer Worlds 2 I buy on PC.

 

[yurinka]

In the nicest way possible, I wish I was this naive, because it's also what I want. But they haven't waited 8.5 years to put your purchased PS1 classics on the modern store JUST as they roll them into their highest tier of subscription service. Not gonna happen. They're paywalled behind everything else to get you in for good reason.

You can buy PS2, PS4 and PS5 games separatedly, so there is no reason to think PS1 and PSP games will be only inside the subscription. For PS3 yes because they can't be emulated properly on PS4 and PS5 so they are streamed only.

To put PS1 and PSP games on the PSN store to be purchased outside the subscription would give them extra revenue and profits. A PS1 or PSP game purchased separatedly from the store would give them more revenue and profit that from the sub. Why wouldn't them include them in the store? It doesn't make sense.

I assume they thought than to only sell them in the store wouldn't be worth it, but instead that would be a good selling point for the top subscription to give it more value. But now they implemented it as downloadable games for PS4 and PS5 they'll want to monetize them as much as possible. So it would make sense to include them in the store too.

Something no one is talking about:

• Since PS2,PS1,PSP titles are downloadable
• what are the prices going to be if they are available on the store
• what titles are there going to be at launch?

I think PS2 will continue having the current price they already have in the store.

In addittion to want to see the list of games included both to download, stream or in the demos, for me the question is that if PS1 and PSP games are going to be added to the store (I assume they will), are they going to be crossbuy with PSP, Vita and PS3?

I mean, if I bought digital PS One or PSP games on PSP, Vita or PS3 am I going to be able to download them for free on PS4 and PS5 if I don't pay the subscription?

 

[Keihart]

Hot take: Sony now makes almost $1B/quarter of revenue with their game subscription and will increase a lot with Spartacus.

Assuming PS+ will have 50M subs at Spartacus release (will be more since they are in a growing trend), if they pay now $59.99/year (assuming 100% of PS+ pay the yearly fee, which isn't the case as Jimbo said today) and 25% of them upgrade to $99.99/year PS+ Extra tier, that would mean a revenue increase of $500M/year.

That would be with only 25% converting, with none converting to Premium and only paying the best deal (yearly sub). And considering that the new offering wouldn't attract new subbers. Pretty likely they will have made almost $4B this FY from game subs, and Spartacus may generate them an additional yearly $1B.



PS2 games available on PS Now are also in the store. PS1 and PSP are going to be playable locally too, so very likely will be available in the store as they were in PSP, Vita and PS3.

And I bet they will be crossbuy with them as they were in these 3 platforms: if you bought them digitally on PSP, Vita or PS3 you would be able to download them for free without paying the subscripttion.

i doubt it, i hope im wrong tho.
The PS2 Classics available on PS4 are not the same as those on PS3, and those that overlap are considered diferent games.

 

[jshackles]

Really? The middle tier is the most compelling change to me. An extra $30 a year for 400 PS4/PS5 games? Still have to wait and see what the games are, but still.

Most likely the list will be the games that are currently downloadable on PS Now

PS Now Downloadable Games - PS Plus Guide

Many PlayStation Now games are available to download. Almost all PS4 and PS2 games are downloadable, to play from your console with no latency issues.

psnowguide.com

They'll probably throw a few high profile games in at launch, but this list is always rotating in and out like Game Pass does.

 

[hemo memo]

I have a feeling this is going to launch so poorly Sony is going to pivot and add everything that should have been included real quick. They are just testing the waters to see how mindless their subscribers really are and what they can get away with.

Isn’t everything Sony introduce turns into a mess at first then they improve it later? I guarantee you the service will be a mess at launch.

 

[Withnail]

So it's exactly what was rumoured.

I just realized that they didn’t announce any extension of streaming for PS5 games to be played on PC, and that PC is mentioned just once in the announcement.

It’s surprising to be honest, do they even plan at this point to have PS5 streaming?



Feels weird when they say they’re going to add Returnal… unless there’s a Pc port on the way?

It's pretty clear from the thing you quoted that there won't be streaming of PS5 games, and no that doesn't mean PC ports.

 

[Kenshin775]

 

[GreatnessRD]

Not even gon' hold you, this shit looks like ass cheeks. But hope its worth the money to those who do end up getting the premium versions.

 

[TheDreadLord]

Unclear at this time.



My take: If your a casual gamer who is never gonna fool with emulation stuff, this is a fair deal. But someone like me?

Let's face it, licensing will be a huge PITA, your not getting NFS, Burnout, and i'd be very surprised if you see FF or KH. Doubt you will see Crash/Spyro either. Emulation is mostly better.

If the PS2 selection is good I may sub if there's no individual buy option, but I have doubts it'll have a good enough selection.

Ultimately, it's fine. Not a scam nor is it some amazing deal. It's...just...fine.

I know that there are licensing issues, but Sony should go the extra mile here. Much better for the owner of the IP to cash in some easy money than making no money.

 

[Topher]

Nah it's all facts, unless you can point out what part is wrong.....I'll wait

How amazing Game Pass Ultimate is isn't a matter of fact, but this thread isn't about that. I think you want to go here:

Xbox Game Pass General Discussion

EL Edit: Notable announcements can get their own threads. Monthly sets of regular releases can get their own threads. General ongoing talk can go here to cut down on the daily hype wars and bickering threads. Gamepass has definitely mixed up console gaming more than anything else in...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Lunarorbit]

So it's just a merge of PS Now and PS Plus with some additional old games?

This can't possibly be the much-hyped Spartacus? because Microsoft is gonna run over this like a fucking train.

But you don't understand... you get game trials too! Isn't that enough for you!

 

[Putonahappyface]

Those prices lol.

 

[th4tguy]

I'm considering the mid tier or even premium tier, but I only have a PS4 right now which removes the PS5 games from what I can play.
I was honestly just hoping Ghost of Tsushima would be on the list as it's the only major Sony first party game I don't own yet.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Rofl

They're definitely heading towards day one releases. I'm ignoring all denials, explanations for why it just can't work for Playstation's "special" games. It's all nonsense.

Sony will adopt the movie theater release followed by digital/streaming availability model that's currently used for movies. They may try to make that window larger at first, but it's coming. Jim Ryan saying he sees live service games as their own subscription is pretty much a tipping of his hand on where they will go.

 

[Needlecrash]

I tthink it's shitty that for the PS1 to PS3 titles, I might already OWN the actual game disc and I still can't play those games if it's offered on the higher tiered PS subscription. At least Microsoft did that and offered the option to actually buy the game outright. Locking the retro tier behind a $120 pay wall is a slap in the face.

 

[Withnail]

At launch, we plan to include titles such as Death Stranding, God of War, Marvel’s Spider-Man, Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Mortal Kombat 11, and Returnal

If it wasn't for Returnal in this list I'd assume these were the PS4 versions. As Returnal is there that means PS5 games are coming to the "PS Now" catalogue which is a definite improvement.

 

[Lunarorbit]

More than likely not other than the 20+ PS2 uprezzed games already on there.

That would have been a "selling point" to mention it.

Yeah to me this is closer to the level of blah that Nintendos online content is.

Not to be a dick but what the hell were they doing all these years in the lead up to this announcement? I'm sure there was a ton of engineering work we'll never see to on board this with the service. It doesn't seem like an extra care was taken with this launch though.

They didn't even mention a trial period to check out the more expensive tiers did they?

 

[64bitmodels]

there's absolutely no reason to play them any more aside from curiosity.

Dude GT4 is seen by many fans as the peak in the series. GT5, GT6, and (as of now) GT7 do not offer what 4 does. it has the best singleplayer campaign and one of the most expansive and unique car lists, as well as being the first game to have the more realistic physics GT was known for (before then GT had far more arcadey physics)

 

[PhaseJump]

I'm glad Playstation is doing this kind of stuff, but what I want out of them is back compat or a push to simplify and unify the PSN content I own already across all the platforms without needing to pay nickel and dime bullshit fees for access or remastered ports. Carrying forward your digital Playstation library from the PSP/PS3 PSN days is way too much hassle compared to what is presented via Xbox or Steam, and throwing tiered subscription models with vague, fragmented perks is just another layer of obfuscated shit to think about.

I'm not buying a PS5, ever. It's the most ostentatious piece of shit looking thing out there, and I'm flippantly done with any of that until there's a slim redesign, as well as a general reason to buy their next generation of hardware.

 

[Banjo64]

Low effort. Lazy. Disappointing.

Let's see a huge uprez on PSP. Titles that were previously never available... a little licensing effort. A fucking proper PS3 emulator (Yes it is possible). And where's Vita!? Is that not possible either !? Give me a break.

Good point about the Vita - Sony already know what works on a TV with a standard pad due to the PSTV. Wonder why they haven’t added that library.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

Agreed. Not even sure what the point of the middle tier is. I guess you'll be someone who likes paying subscriptions for games - but not enough to commit a little more $ and get twice as many...

EDIT: I guess the top tier is the only one that includes game streaming so... I guess there's that.

Should've been two tiers maximum. I can't see PS1/2 games being a massive selling point for the top tier...

Especially with no mention of upgraded features such as trophy support, better framerates or resolution bumps.

 

[Elbereth]

Premium baby

 

[SuperBabyMethod]

Totally on for the Ps1 and 2 classics. Would be amazing if it had trophies

 

[MastAndo]

I just got a PS5, so I'm going to deviate from the sentiments in this thread and say I'm pretty excited about this. I just wish the wait wasn't 2+ months.