DJ12
Member
I have a 5950x and a 2080 and even this cannot run gt6 a 60fps last time I tried.>still streaming PS3 games
Sony paying the for trying to push the envelope with ps3.
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Sony paying the for trying to push the envelope with ps3.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Just giving my opinion like you do for pages and pages in every single Xbox thread, but unlike you, I don't make of comments in PS threads very often and when I do comment I don't go on for pages and pages like you and your Sony Bros.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Fixed.
But seriously though, the console waring in this thread is bonkers. Y'all need to chills.
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Topher
Identifies as young
And Sony could hand some a solid gold bar and they would call it a gold plated turd. Reasonable people understand this is neither.
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Chukhopops
Member
You said it was half, you can’t talk bullshit and expect nobody to say anything. Now we can agree you were wrong and move on.
Swift_Star
Banned
Not that I disagree with you, but it’s fun seeing someone saying that in a world people pretend everything is going to gamepass.
i barely go to Xbox threads, only those that is acquisition talk. I have no interest in their services or products, so that point is moot.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Let's be fair here: on the 1P front Microsoft has not been consistent with GamePass. All of their 1P releases seem to be clogged to the last quarter of the year, so if someone wanted to subscribe for those they would simply skip subscribing until the last three months, get their fill, then unsubscribe again. Especially if a game like Halo Infinite, which was supposed to retain a high number of subscribers with regular big content and features, isn't doing its job.
They also haven't been as aggressive with 3P Day 1 inclusions either, IMO. Last year they got The Show and Outriders as big surprises, and I guess Back 4 Blood counts as a third. They have The Show again this year, but now that's expected, fruit bore from something they did last year, not this year. They should've had STALKER 2 by now but the devs are unfortunately in a difficult situation due to Ukraine/Russia conflict. There was a rumor for RE Village but MS came right out and dismissed that shortly after.
No other major 3P gets for GamePass to fill out the schedule, so if that and 1P content on steady release were reason some subbed, those are two reasons why some may not actually be subbed right now. It's mainly been small indies carrying the service this year, seems that'll be the case until The Show but more generally, until Plagues Tale for anyone who doesn't care about sports. And that is sometime this summer
.I hope they actually do manage to reach that '1 big AAA game per quarter' goal starting later this year. Starfield for Q4, Redfall for Q1 2023 (I think it's gonna get delayed), Forza for Q2 2023 (also think that's gonna be held off from this year), maybe Contraband Q3, Avowed Q4. Just get a consistent schedule going.
Well, considering they aren't doing Day 1 for 1P games, I assume it'll at least be sustainable
SportsFan581
Member
thismeinteil
Member
I hope it's at least what they did with PS2 games on PS4. Upped to 1080p and with AA. 4K would be awesome, but I'm not expecting it.19 pages of predictable "bbbut no day one games!!!" by the usual trolls who are active 24/7
Even if that was totally obvious since the beginning and already well known.
Actually I find interesting that Jim Ryan has left the door totally open about it in the future claiming that things can change quickly and that no one saw them publishing games on PC just a few years ago.
An other interesting point is that Jim Ryan hinted on Famitsu that old classics will feature improvements:
PlayStation Plusの新サービスが6月開始へ。数百のPS4/5タイトルが定額プレイ可能なExtraと、PS1/PS2/PSPタイトルなども遊べるPremiumの2種が上位版として登場 | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PlayStation Plusの新サービスが発表。従来のものと合わせて3種類となり6月より提供開始予定。www.famitsu.com
so it will be interesting to see the extent of that. The fact that PS1, PS2 and PSP games will be downloadable was a nice surprise for me, I expected all the retro games to be on the cloud.
In the end this is mostly a merging of their current services in a way that adds more value so that more people subscribe and current subscribers find enough reasons to upgrade.
I expect many gamers who don't buy a lot of games in a year (le'ts say just 4-5 games) to find great value in the extra option. At 99$ per year you have access to a 400 games library.
The premium tier is more aimed at core gamers but its success will depend a lot on the quality of the retrocatalogue, game trials if available for many new releases could become alone a big reason to upgrade.
Essential tier will continue to be the most successful option.
wipeout364
Member
It’s really pretty lame that they were so non specific about the PS1 PS2 and PSP games. Are they downloadable and playable locally, are they enhanced at all, load times. They could have at least given us a list of 50 to 100 titles to expect. Personally I think Sony should have charged more for the premium tier (20.00 US per month) and then thrown in day one access to their first party games.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Let me understand: why?
There's an emulator available for PC that runs well and the recommended configuration is Vulkan compatible RX400 or newer (PS5: 5700 XT equivalent) and 6 cores and 12 threads (PS5: 8 cores, 16 threads).
If that PS5 under your tv was a pc running windows you could emulate PS3 games - why then is Sony not investing in an emulator to run them?
There's an emulator available for PC that runs well and the recommended configuration is Vulkan compatible RX400 or newer (PS5: 5700 XT equivalent) and 6 cores and 12 threads (PS5: 8 cores, 16 threads).
If that PS5 under your tv was a pc running windows you could emulate PS3 games - why then is Sony not investing in an emulator to run them?
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Pretty disappointing news to be honest.
Specifically merging two services into 3 tiers. This is just going to be confusing as hell to the average consumer. Two tiers or, if only, a single service would have been so much better. Every single one of the console manufacturers are completely bungling these services, imo. Make it simple, make the value obvious and people will pay. This is complete tripe and I'm not looking forward to trying to explain it when the family member I gave my ps4 to comes asking questions.
The other part that would have been a nice gesture would have been to update all current subscribers to the premium tier initially. So you get a chance to see the benefits, great chance to upsell on the auto subscription as well.
Massive missed opportunities all around. I would fire my business unit lead if they put this in front of me, but I guess they know better.
Specifically merging two services into 3 tiers. This is just going to be confusing as hell to the average consumer. Two tiers or, if only, a single service would have been so much better. Every single one of the console manufacturers are completely bungling these services, imo. Make it simple, make the value obvious and people will pay. This is complete tripe and I'm not looking forward to trying to explain it when the family member I gave my ps4 to comes asking questions.
The other part that would have been a nice gesture would have been to update all current subscribers to the premium tier initially. So you get a chance to see the benefits, great chance to upsell on the auto subscription as well.
Massive missed opportunities all around. I would fire my business unit lead if they put this in front of me, but I guess they know better.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I have to wait until June to give Jim more money
Shadowstar39
Member
This is my concern. I just got a ps5, but damn I am not made of money or time. Those games aren't worth the price of that premium tier membership. Especially when i own a ps2, psp, vita ,ps3, and have a ps Classic with 512gb sd card attached. Would i like to have some ps1 and psp games on my ps5, you bet, but not at these prices.
Will keep essential just for the 100s of games I have on plus since its inception.
Neofire
Member
Jim might be coming to his senses, seen ab article on N4G where he said putting all the games on PSN plus would hurt them and he is exactly right. Seems someone is spitting some truth in his ears.
They aren't MS(with 100s of billions of cash to burn) and cover up losses like they can and say that everything is booming lol.
They aren't MS(with 100s of billions of cash to burn) and cover up losses like they can and say that everything is booming lol.
TheGodfather07
Member
Microsoft are the only ones putting all their games onto a subscription service because they can. There's no real risk for them outside of losing some money and even if it doesn't work out, no big deal. Do you see anyone else rushing to do the same? Sony or Nintendo dont and 3rd party don't either. Hell, most big 3rd party releases from last year ain't on gamepass yet. So subscriptions may be the way for xbox but that doesn't mean it is for everyone else. It isn't even financially possible for most other companies.
Sakura
Member
Making a good emulator for the PS3 takes a lot of time and money.
Why do that when you can just stream the games?
I imagine that is the reasoning.
Swift_Star
Banned
It is comparable. Apart from 1st party games, it’s the same thing. I predict Sony and MS will go head to head now in securing third party games to their services. The moneyhat strategy will change a little bit.
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Because an emulator providing reliable results without glitches and frame rate issues on a significant amount of PS3 games doesn't exist (and the service will be available on PS4 as well and the base PS4 doesn't even have the raw power to handle a PS3 emulator).
They already have the infrastructure based on actual PS3 hardware to stream those games.
So the decision was obvious.
With PS1, PS2 and PSP games there are reliable emulators so local download is possible.
They already have the infrastructure based on actual PS3 hardware to stream those games.
So the decision was obvious.
With PS1, PS2 and PSP games there are reliable emulators so local download is possible.
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No day one first party is the huge one. No EA play. Obviously also lacks PlayAnywhere for PC players, no streaming of PS5 titles.
“Apart from a major selling point, PC support and EA Play as an added perk and next gen cloud streaming it’s the same thing”.
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its a dumb debate personally (not saying your question is) but if consumers are going to be deciding between the two with their time/$ then comparing them is fine.
TheUndeadGamer
Member
I would go for the highest tier if PS1, 2 and PSP had trophies attached to them. But I know I’m in a minority wanting that.
SportsFan581
Member
I never saw 3P AAA Day 1s as the building blocks anyway, but, it's hard to say they've dropped the ball there since last year there were only 3 and before that none. And, like you said 2 would have already been announced without the Stalker delay, with the rest of the year to get another one.
Most important pieces for me is the 1P day 1s, the AAA older titles from 3P, and the day 1 indies.
93xfan
Banned
They tried that and it took too much work. Pretty sure that’s why PS2 games were very lacking on PS4.I would go for the highest tier if PS1, 2 and PSP had trophies attached to them. But I know I’m in a minority wanting that.
At least that’s what I remember
sircaw
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
They probably figure its not worth the time or money to invest in that compared to going the cloud route.
And lets be real, how many people are really interested in playing PS3 games in 2022?
DangerDiabolik
Member
It would require significant time and investment to get up and running and working it a seamless way. I'm pretty sure the Xbox solution took a lot of time and hard work, and this would require the same. But obviously it's possible. They just don't care enough. If it's not big mainstream blockbusters that can print money, Sony don't give a shit. And their internet fanboys have given them a free pass with their "no one buys new consoles for old games" mantra.
Chukhopops
Member
Unless they change significantly PSNow the differences are:
- slightly less than half of the catalog is streaming only
- catalog is four years older on average
- 0.5% of the catalog was released in 2021 or 2022
- significantly lower average metacritic
- no day 1 games (although there have been two exceptions)
- first party games rotate out of the service
All of this could change of course.
kingfey
Banned
Analysts react: PlayStation Plus ‘won’t have the pull’ of Game Pass without day-one releases | VGC
But group of industry analysts are split on how important this will be for PlayStation users…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Games industry analysts have offered their reactions to Sony’s new three-tier PlayStation Plus subscription service.
GamesIndustry.biz asked a number of notable business pundits for their views on the new announcement and the responses were mixed.
Most agreed that Sony‘s decision not to add first-party games to the service on the day of release would make it less of a draw than Xbox Game Pass, but were divided on how much of a problem this was.
Piers Harding-Rolls of Ampere Analysis claimed that the decision means the new structure “won’t have the pull of Microsoft‘s service”, adding: “Where I think Sony will try to be more aggressive is with windowing between release of its new games and them being added to the service, and when adding new releases from third party developers and publishers.”
When asked how the decision would affect the success of the service, Michael Goodman of Strategy Analytics replied: “That’s a question that ultimately the market is going to dictate.
“Microsoft’s chosen that day and date has been a critical factor for their success, and I think it has been,” he explained. “We will have to see how important that is to PlayStation fans.
“There is certainly an argument to be made that it is not critical. Nintendo has done a great job with Nintendo Switch Online – it’s been wildly successful just being a back catalogue product.
“However, Microsoft’s big growth happened when they went day and date. It’s worth noting they’re not competing head-to-head on this. They’re mostly talking to their existing install base.”
Goodman also noted that only around 5% of PlayStation’s install base currently subscribes to PlayStation Now, as opposed to over 40% of Xbox owners. As such, the vast majority of PlayStation owners have still yet to sign up to a ‘games on demand’ subscription service on their system.
Lewis Ward of IDC argued that the new structure will likely pay off for Sony, mainly because the current number of PlayStation Now subscribers is comparatively low.
“We’ll see if Sony reveals anything about how subscribers break out by tier over time, but it doesn’t appear to be a high bar to keep Premium subscribers at or above the four million mark [IDC’s current estimate for PS Now subscribers] in 2022, while also landing a sizable new, download-only Extra subscriber base,” he said.
Sony’s new PlayStation Plus structure will launch for PS4 and PS5 in June, structured across three payment tiers: Essentials, Extra and Premium.
While the Essentials tier offers the same benefits as the current PS Plus service, Extra will include 400 downloadable PS4 and PS5 games, while Premium will include cloud streaming access as well as a further 340 PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP games (all of which are downloadable except PS3 games, which will be streaming-only).
Tarnpanzer
Member
If they would run enhanced with better/double framerate and at least 4x the resolution, a lot.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
My cat is hungry, don't make me turn you into cat food, fish breathDon't make me take one of those 9 lives of yours, FLEABAG.
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FrankWza
Gold Member
Swift_Star
Banned
It’s stated they’re focusing in creating partnership with third parties, so the catalog will change and refresh faster and will have better quality than what it is right now.
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Guilty_AI
Member
The most likely reason i heard so far is because officially recognizing a third-party emulator can open the doors for tricky legal situations, even if it isn't illegal. So they would have to build their own ps3 emulator from the ground up, in which case streaming is just a most cost-effective solution.
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TheUndeadGamer
Member
Yeah I remember that too.
Though I think there was a patent about trophies for retro games, but of course most often patients don’t mean much.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Meh
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I'm in.
‘No interest in their services’ but you show up in pretty much every Gamepass thread.
I hope this new launch teaches you the value subscription services bring…so you cut down on your warring going forward.
Dr Bass
Member
It's not a Game Pass competitor and never will be. Anyone with a brain understood that and knew that going into the announcement of this service update. Sony wants to make money. They can't afford to give away all of their internally developed games for a fraction of the normal retail cost. There is no way that math ever works out with the size of the industry the way it is. Same goes for Nintendo. This is not Sony responding to GP at all. They are consolidating their services and slightly expanding the offerings. It makes complete normal business sense. Nintendo doesn't respond to GP either. But they did offer a higher tier for their sub service, again, with more back catalogue of stuff people aren't buying anymore. It's all just pure profit. Again, makes business sense. None of these things are GP competitors.This is a joke. More expensive that Game Pass and certainly inferior.
Everyone needs to quit calling this a competitor to Game Pass it's definitely not that, although I have no doubt there will be a certain group of people here on GAF now claiming this is GRRREATEST thing ever for gaming
You're not giving an opinion really.
This person has it right unfortunately, and this is what you always do, sadly. Your post history is getting increasingly angry sounding for whatever reason.
I still don't understand how someone can say they like games, yet hate a platform. I mean, how can you be "CatLady" and not want Stray on PS5? I actually am a cat person and will buying this (unless it's a turd in a litter box of course) when it releases. But you won't get it because it's a PlayStation game? You just don't like games. You don't. You like Xbox. Big difference. If you're happy with what Xbox is giving you why not go enjoy it and leave the discussion of gaming to people who own and play on everything? I'm not trying to be mean, but this kind of behavior just doesn't make any sense to me as someone who likes games. I'd still happily add you on XBL as I welcome everyone on this board onto my friends lists, but man ... what a bummer people will willfully hate or ignore games because of the platform they are on.
Definition of a fanboy/girl: Someone who cares about the delivery of the medium far more than the medium itself.
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Back to the thread at hand.
Just for the record. I'll probably stick with the cheapest tier as all I really need is the online access. Not that interested in a ginormous catalog of old stuff. I really wish you could just one off buy old titles. I would probably end up spending more that way too, 120 a year for the highest tier ends up being only ten bucks a month. Surely I could spend more than that buying actual titles, while actually being subscribed to the 60 dollar tier for the network features.
SegaSnatcher
Member
We don't know for sure if PS1, PS2 and PSP games will be locked behind the subscription model. Those games might be available for separate purchase.
ethomaz
Banned
They will have to get a better than 60:20:20 to have a substancial increase in revenue.
Did some quick whatifs on possible revenue increase.
Or attract more users that PSNow alone was not doing.
Like I said I don’t see getting anything except Essential… PS Now was never a product to aimed to me.
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