Amazon is officially gaining creative control of the James Bond franchise

IntentionalPun said:
MGM does Stathom movies, The Accountant 2… did the Roadhouse movie.

They aren't great films by any means but they also aren't all "woke" like people are assuming. Either are all of their TV shows.
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And because they are small films how many amazon eyes do they have on them? Bond will be different.
 
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How does a vegetable producers family have have the rights and not the Flemming family? Did Ian sell the characters rights to vegetables.

Bond is about to go to DEI.
 
AJUMP23 said:
How does a vegetable producers family have have the rights and not the Flemming family? Did Ian sell the characters rights to vegetables.

Bond is about to go to DEI.
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...is this a genuine question? EON was started by her dad specifically to make Bond films right at the start with Dr. No, he handed the company down to her and her brother in the early 90s.
 
I dont think ive liked a single Amazon show. They truly have the worst people in charge.

however, I also dont think MGM did a great job with Bond. The Pierce Brosnan movies other than Golden Eye were trash. I was too young to remember the earlier ones, but out of the last 9 Brosnan and Daniel Craig movies, I only really liked 2 of them. Skyfall was dogshit with a home alone ending, spectre and quantum of solace were mid at best, and while I enjoyed the last one, meh. These movies were your average summer blockbuster movies with Casino being a rare exception.

And lets not forget this bitch wouldnt let Nolan make a Bond movie. She passed on mother fucking Nolan. Suck a dick. You deserve whatever the fuck Amazon nutjobs are going to do to your franchise.

P.S Shouldve picked Henry Cavil, Idris Alba, or Michael Fassbender a LONG LONG time ago. Perfect actors right for the taking and she kept making mid movies with Daniel Craig then wasted years trying to find a replacement when either of these three actors were right there for the taking.
 
YCoCg said:
...is this a genuine question? EON was started by her dad specifically to make Bond films right at the start with Dr. No, he handed the company down to her and her brother in the early 90s.
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I did not know Flemming had completely sold the rights to his character to a third party. That is all. I figured he would retain some rights, because that is how you get money. Like Tolkien, they have rights, and Stallone has apparently sold all the rights to Rocky now.
 
Warspite said:
And because they are small films how many amazon eyes do they have on them? Bond will be different.
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Yeah for sure. I'm still on a cautiously wait and see with this. Bezos is going to really want this shit to be good.

And Amazon MGM does have some good shit. Reacher is pretty awesome, Fallout IMO is awesome, The Boys was great for a while at least… I know I'm forgetting some shit too.

Like any studio or streaming service they have a mix of crap and decent and great.

It's honestly confusing why people ignore all the non-woke good stuff on the service lol

edit: oh yeah, The Terminal List.. about the least woke thing made in the last decade lol
 
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IntentionalPun said:
Yeah for sure. I'm still on a cautiously wait and see with this. Bezos is going to really want this shit to be good.

And Amazon MGM does have some good shit. Reacher is pretty awesome, Fallout IMO is awesome, The Boys was great for a while at least… I know I'm forgetting some shit too.
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Are those amazon productions or does amazon just buy them?
 
Warspite said:
Are those amazon productions or does amazon just buy them?
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That's a bit of a complicated question, umbrella "studio" work with tons of production companies, different ones for different projects. For instance for the Fallout show AmazonMGM partnered with the Westworld folks (Nolan's brother and that lady I can't remember the name of.)

These aren't things that were complete projects that Amazon just bought, they are generally productions AmazonMGM paid for and oversaw.

They clearly are capable of letting creatives "cook."
 
YCoCg said:
Oh come on, Casino Royale and Skyfall are legit good Bond movies.
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Casino Royale is a cure for insomnia and Skyfall wants to be a Mission Impossible movie.

RavenSan said:
Good freaking god No Time To Die was bad.
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It was the only film in the Craig era to have a good plot with good pacing and Bond acting like the Ian Flemming novels...
 
Anything coming out of Amazon is going to be pure new age garbage. Creativity out the window to pander to the few that won't even care about what they "create".

Look what they did with the Rings of Power, new age story telling that doesn't work for that universe.
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8bitpill said:
Anything coming out of Amazon is going to be pure new age garbage. Creativity out the window to pander to the few that won't even care about what they "create".

Look what they did with the Rings of Power, new age story telling that doesn't work for that universe.
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I still can't shake my head with people taking this series seriously. This actress looks like a squirrel talking and performs bad, sometimes looking like a child in their tantruns speaks.
The entire series looks like it was made for a brainrot market that can only think about shipping rather than anything that resembles lore.
 
Saber said:
I still can't shake my head with people taking this series seriously. This actress looks like a squirrel talking and performs bad, sometimes looking like a child in their tantruns speaks.
The entire series looks like it was made for a brainrot market that can only think about shipping rather than anything that resembles lore.
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Amazon, the producers, and writers didn't care for what was there is just mucked up a story.

It comes off like fan fiction.

When they did this in the first season, I knew it wasn't what it was meant to originally be,
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This is story telling for 21st century audience. Nothing more than content wrapped with a popular I.P. that doesn't make you think pass each episode ending since everything is spelled out, literally.
 
IntentionalPun said:
Yeah for sure. I'm still on a cautiously wait and see with this. Bezos is going to really want this shit to be good.

And Amazon MGM does have some good shit. Reacher is pretty awesome, Fallout IMO is awesome, The Boys was great for a while at least… I know I'm forgetting some shit too.

Like any studio or streaming service they have a mix of crap and decent and great.

It's honestly confusing why people ignore all the non-woke good stuff on the service lol

edit: oh yeah, The Terminal List.. about the least woke thing made in the last decade lol
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This is what gives me some hope. Though we know Amazon and the Broccolis clashed over "who should be bond", I GOTTA think that even amazon can see the writing on the wall with the CATASTROPHIC collapse of their Citadel series (I can't imagine that series has significant viewer numbers, but maybe I'm wrong than the region specific series are doing better) and the massive success of pro-male Reacher and Terminal List that keeping Bond the way he has always been is the ONLY option for them. I'm hoping the clash wasn't so much about Bond himself but ancillary "Agent Moneypenny: Girlboss for Hire" type stuff instead.

If you step back and forget the disaster that is Rings of Power, then Amazon really does try. They have dodgy success with stuff like Wheel of Time where they strayed from common sense, but The Boys was always gonna be like it is and stuff like Jack Ryan or The Expanse show that they do try to stick to source material. Even Without Remorse had a good pedigree and while not book accurate, the casting at least wasn't bad (though Michael B Jordan has really slowed down the past few years, this SHOULD be his prime years, dunno whats going on unless Sinners was a really long shoot or something).

I'm more interested in who at Amazon is spearheading "all things Bond" now because I really really really hope they have an honest look at the franchise, respect its tradition, and then tap into all the post-Fleming content that has stood the test of time instead of getting trendy hip writers to chase current events.
 
Great actors have wondered in and out of James Bond, it's a big franchise for sure. The theory was Daniel Craig thought about retiring, but he's got 3 or 4 more films left in him.

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Yeah, Bond is something I hold near and dear. Movies and book reader - since my single digit childhood. Something I shared with both parents.

Really, really hate this. I have always been in the pro-BB camp, and to see this news definitely wasn't my cup of tea.

Hits hard.
 
jason10mm said:
This is what gives me some hope. Though we know Amazon and the Broccolis clashed over "who should be bond", I GOTTA think that even amazon can see the writing on the wall with the CATASTROPHIC collapse of their Citadel series (I can't imagine that series has significant viewer numbers, but maybe I'm wrong than the region specific series are doing better) and the massive success of pro-male Reacher and Terminal List that keeping Bond the way he has always been is the ONLY option for them. I'm hoping the clash wasn't so much about Bond himself but ancillary "Agent Moneypenny: Girlboss for Hire" type stuff instead.

If you step back and forget the disaster that is Rings of Power, then Amazon really does try. They have dodgy success with stuff like Wheel of Time where they strayed from common sense, but The Boys was always gonna be like it is and stuff like Jack Ryan or The Expanse show that they do try to stick to source material. Even Without Remorse had a good pedigree and while not book accurate, the casting at least wasn't bad (though Michael B Jordan has really slowed down the past few years, this SHOULD be his prime years, dunno whats going on unless Sinners was a really long shoot or something).

I'm more interested in who at Amazon is spearheading "all things Bond" now because I really really really hope they have an honest look at the franchise, respect its tradition, and then tap into all the post-Fleming content that has stood the test of time instead of getting trendy hip writers to chase current events.
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We will know when we see who Amazon gets to run the franchise, let see if they get another 2 nobodies to run it.

Right now for me, Amazon has everything to prove and they have no good will going into this.
 
IntentionalPun said:
MGM does Stathom movies, The Accountant 2… did the Roadhouse movie.

They aren't great films by any means but they also aren't all "woke" like people are assuming. Either are all of their TV shows. I mean they have Nolan's brother making stuff.
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It's because of the Bond source being extremely masculine and gritty (imo, some of the books are grittier / more brutal than the films), with overly time-appropriate masculinity. Some of that, today, is certainly a bit "offensive" for "modern audiences", but highly important to Bond as his character, flaws, and the way he operates.

This is NOT like the Statham movies. Bond isn't all action. His character has depth, even flawed depth, that is important to how and who he is, and I can not fathom Amazon, a major US company, allowing these things to continue. NTTD was already a spit in the face of the character for most, and that was with EON still warding away as much as they could.

Not much hope here for the future of Bond, and I say that as a major fan.
 
My interest was low beforehand, but now it's at minus 30°C.

I'll guess that they'll change the name to Jamal Bondualam or Jamie Bondx.
 
Plunder that corpse. Spinoffs, gender swaps, time jumps into the far future!

Can I get a LOTR crossover while we're at it?!
 
I'm glad they killed off Bond at the end of the franchise now

The next Bond will be a black woman, please look forward to the impending death of a venerable 70 years old franchise
 
0neAnd0nly said:
It's because of the Bond source being extremely masculine and gritty (imo, some of the books are grittier / more brutal than the films), with overly time-appropriate masculinity. Some of that, today, is certainly a bit "offensive" for "modern audiences", but highly important to Bond as his character, flaws, and the way he operates.

This is NOT like the Statham movies. Bond isn't all action. His character has depth, even flawed depth, that is important to how and who he is, and I can not fathom Amazon, a major US company, allowing these things to continue. NTTD was already a spit in the face of the character for most, and that was with EON still warding away as much as they could.

Not much hope here for the future of Bond, and I say that as a major fan.
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Well my point basically was AmazonMGM have plenty of masculine and gritty material they've produced in the last few years.

I'd say Terminal List has that plus at least Bond level depth (the stuff with his family, feeling betrayed by his country are similar riffs as any "deeper" bond material.)

MGM is a legit old school film and television company so this isn't just a streamer throwing cash around trying to fit "modern audiences."

Giving Chris Pratt an entire tv series universe is hardly something a company only interested in woke/non masculine stuff would do.
 
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jason10mm said:
This is what gives me some hope. Though we know Amazon and the Broccolis clashed over "who should be bond", I GOTTA think that even amazon can see the writing on the wall with the CATASTROPHIC collapse of their Citadel series (I can't imagine that series has significant viewer numbers, but maybe I'm wrong than the region specific series are doing better) and the massive success of pro-male Reacher and Terminal List that keeping Bond the way he has always been is the ONLY option for them. I'm hoping the clash wasn't so much about Bond himself but ancillary "Agent Moneypenny: Girlboss for Hire" type stuff instead.

If you step back and forget the disaster that is Rings of Power, then Amazon really does try. They have dodgy success with stuff like Wheel of Time where they strayed from common sense, but The Boys was always gonna be like it is and stuff like Jack Ryan or The Expanse show that they do try to stick to source material. Even Without Remorse had a good pedigree and while not book accurate, the casting at least wasn't bad (though Michael B Jordan has really slowed down the past few years, this SHOULD be his prime years, dunno whats going on unless Sinners was a really long shoot or something).

I'm more interested in who at Amazon is spearheading "all things Bond" now because I really really really hope they have an honest look at the franchise, respect its tradition, and then tap into all the post-Fleming content that has stood the test of time instead of getting trendy hip writers to chase current events.
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Yeah honesty they are kind of the number one streamer in the last few years FOR material targeted at typical male audiences.

I forgot about Jack Ryan as well as No Remorse. Those are pretty good too.

And you had the exact same thought as me; probably have a 00-GirlBoss streaming series but won't force that on the Bond films. They'll be big theatrical tentpoles.
 
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I thought the steward of the IP hated all Amazon stood for. I guess everything is a matter of time. I was looking forward to the next thing, whatever it would be, for eons. That sucks.
 
BlackTron said:
I thought the steward of the IP hated all Amazon stood for. I guess everything is a matter of time. I was looking forward to the next thing, whatever it would be, for eons. That sucks.
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The stewards of these old IPs are all cashing out. The ones who give a shit are old or dead, the younger generation doesn't care, they would rather have the $$$ and go yachting. You are seeing this with all of the old stuff, musicians as well. If your kids are shits or don't care/aren't interested in managing your cultural legacy, particularly if it's just something a dimly remembered grandpa made, why not take the $$$ and punch out?
 
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