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[Bojji]

WGP and Caches changed

Maybe, but I doubt they invested very much in this architecture when UDNA is coming and they only will release few mid-high and mid-low gpus on it (plus it's part of PS5 pro GPU).

So far raster IPC differences between RDNA 1, 2 and 3 are small.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

How? It outperforms a 4080 Super in synthetics:

Radeon RX 9070 XT Benchmarks: 3D Mark Time Spy Extreme and Speed Way Benchmarks

The AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT graphics card has recently been subjected to performance testing using 3D Mark Time Spy Extreme and Speed Way benchmarks. As one of the first high-end RDNA 4-based GPUs from AMD, the RX 9070 XT has garnered attention for its raw performance metrics.

www.guru3d.com

… for less than half the price….

This is an amazing offering.

There is a group of gamers that will not consider a card worthy if it's not the absolute best.

Obviously, most people didn't shop that way.

 

[SolidQ]

UDNA

Main things will be RDNA, so that why they investment

So far raster IPC differences between RDNA 1, 2 and 3 are small.

RDNA4 is different story

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Can they afford to do a card cheap since their gaming division is only running on a 2% operating margin?

You're a client, thin margins are good for you, they save you money.

 

[Bojji]

Main things will be RDNA, so that why they investment


RDNA4 is different story

We will see, but I don't think Chinese forum leaks are super reliable.

AMD slides aren't as well after RDNA3 bullshit (and what they did with few Zen CPUs).

 

[Wolzard]

RDNA4 is end of the line architecture (like Vega was) before UDNA, I don't think major IPC gains and stuff is going to be here.

Apparently, UDNA will derive directly from RDNA 4, as CDNA derives from GCN.
At this point, those who change most with unification are the CDNAs. In theory, RDNA already follows a better structure for all segments.

AMD UDNA will be interesting. CDNA3 architecture is still based on GCN 4 cycle wave64 scheduling. RDNA schedules every cycle and exposes instruction latency. Scheduler runs/blocks instructions concurrently/dynamically. RDNA is much closer to Nvidia GPUs.

CDNA has wide matrix cores and other wide compute workload improvements, which AMD wants to bring to UDNA. It also has multi-chip scaling.Rumors tell that RDNA4 will finally have matrix cores in consumer space. Seems that AMD is integrating matrix cores early to RDNA lineup.

My expectation is that UDNA compute unit will be RDNA4 descendant instead of CDNA3 descendant. They definitely need 1 cycle low latency scheduling in consumer space, and Nvidia does well with it in AI space too. I don't see them going back to GCN-style design for UDNA.

Integrating matrix cores to RDNA4 compute unit would be an iterative step towards UDNA. They could iterate that compute unit further to meet AI workload.I would expect UDNA to borrow lot of CDNA3 tech for caches, memory controllers and connectivity with chiplets.

There's rumors that RDNA4 will be a small iterative improvement as they are ditching RDNA arch one year later. But i'd say it's entirely possible that RDNA4 is a an iterative step towards UDNA. First time they merge new RDNA ALU pipes with CDNA matrix units. Could be a big step.

It's important to consider the importance of AI for AMD. RDNA architecture was initially designed for AMDs most important market segment (gaming), while UDNA got the old GCN design. Now AI is most important segment for them. They want newest arch for professional AI chips too.

One might argue that simple GCN-style scheduling is still good for AI workloads, but lower latency scheduling can operate better on register pressure. And it's often better for caches to avoid running too wide workload on every compute unit. RDNA/Nvidia style arch is just better.

UDNA makes perfect sense. AMD today wants matrix units for AI based upscaling (and other client AI workloads) in consumer space. And they want their latest compute unit architecture for AI chips. AI is now a priority. GCN-style arch is outdated. Nvidia/RDNA-style is better.

 

[winjer]

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong leaked - VideoCardz.com

Chiphell reviewer shares Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in games It could be based on the newer drivers. Chiphell appears to be at the forefront of the new Radeon RX 9070 leaks. The site has shared and later removed several leaks in the past, particularly those originating from posts by...

videocardz.com

 

[Wolzard]

Apparently there will be something on Wednesday. Maybe a future event announcement.

 

[SolidQ]

Apparently there will be something on Wednesday. Maybe a future event announcement.

Mlid 3 days ago

 

[demented waffle]

I'd wish people would stop quoting MLID.

 

[Sanepar]

Yes! Go amd! Give me raster on udna and I will be there.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong leaked - VideoCardz.com

Chiphell reviewer shares Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in games It could be based on the newer drivers. Chiphell appears to be at the forefront of the new Radeon RX 9070 leaks. The site has shared and later removed several leaks in the past, particularly those originating from posts by...

videocardz.com

Trades blows with a 4080 Super in real world gaming benchmarks, and that’s with Ray Tracing turned on which was never AMD’s strength.

This is a huge win especially at this price point.

 

[Senua]

I'd wish people would stop quoting MLID.

This years old meme still rings true

 

[SABRE220]

My god, it might actually be happening after nearly a decade amd could be putting out a real competitive product with awesome value. I had given up hope but 4080 performance in actual comprehensive rt benchmarks at 500$ is a godsend with nvidias consumer screwing practices for last few years. Now we just need intel to grow from here and dominate the budget segment.

 

[Kataploom]

My god, it might actually be happening after nearly a decade amd could be putting out a real competitive product with awesome value. I had given up hope but 4080 performance in actual comprehensive rt benchmarks at 500$ is a godsend with nvidias consumer screwing practices for last few years. Now we just need intel to grow from here and dominate the budget segment.

Latest rumored benchmarks says:



But I saw another post somewhere about it being around 4080s in raster and around 4070Ti in RT

 

[Sanepar]

My god, it might actually be happening after nearly a decade amd could be putting out a real competitive product with awesome value. I had given up hope but 4080 performance in actual comprehensive rt benchmarks at 500$ is a godsend with nvidias consumer screwing practices for last few years. Now we just need intel to grow from here and dominate the budget segment.

Stupid consumers will keep buying nvidia with 12gb vram or $999 with 16gb.

Now imagine how good udna will be. If nvidia come with another mediocre gains in raster with 6000 series they will be in trouble.

 

[Gaiff]

I’m actually a lot more excited for this than I am for Blackwell.

 

[fersnake]

ok AMD im listening...

 

[AFBT88]

And you know what the best part is? It might actually be equipped with a very solid upscaling technology. Having RTX 4080 performance with a DLSS like feature (FSR4) at 500$ would be AMAZING. I would certainly buy one of these.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Latest rumored benchmarks says:



But I saw another post somewhere about it being around 4080s in raster and around 4070Ti in RT

The leaker deleted the thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/4hm2gULhal

 

[64bitmodels]

My god, it might actually be happening after nearly a decade amd could be putting out a real competitive product with awesome value.

nearly a decade?

 

[Kataploom]

The leaker deleted the thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/4hm2gULhal

Well, Frank Azor said yesterday that he has been seeing the leaked benchmarks and that says the some are realistic and others aren't (something within those lines) but that he thinks actual performance is actually better than what those leaks suggest

 

[BattleScar]

Maybe, but I doubt they invested very much in this architecture when UDNA is coming and they only will release few mid-high and mid-low gpus on it (plus it's part of PS5 pro GPU).

So far raster IPC differences between RDNA 1, 2 and 3 are small.

There is no such thing as GPU "IPC"

 

[Crayon]

Don't get all excited about your 500 dollar 4080 just yet. Rdna3 rumors were getting stupid right before the announcement.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Don't get all excited about your 500 dollar 4080 just yet. Rdna3 rumors were getting stupid right before the announcement.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong leaked - VideoCardz.com

Chiphell reviewer shares Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in games It could be based on the newer drivers. Chiphell appears to be at the forefront of the new Radeon RX 9070 leaks. The site has shared and later removed several leaks in the past, particularly those originating from posts by...

videocardz.com

 

[Radical_3d]

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong leaked - VideoCardz.com

Chiphell reviewer shares Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in games It could be based on the newer drivers. Chiphell appears to be at the forefront of the new Radeon RX 9070 leaks. The site has shared and later removed several leaks in the past, particularly those originating from posts by...

videocardz.com

 

[CrustyBritches]

The leaks that make sense imo are the old 7900 GRE benchmark result, then the rumor of the power limit increase. Hopefully it will come in around a 7900 XT which should be around a 4070 Ti Super.

 

[Crayon]

The fuck is supposed to happen to rdna3 stock if this thing is really under $500 and closing in on a 4080? 7900xt's are still over $700 rn. 7800xt's over 500.

They sell like 1/5th Nvidia at best so maybe they don't have too much stock in the channels to slash the prices on all of them?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The fuck is supposed to happen to rdna3 stock if this thing is really under $500

It most likely won't sell at this price as shops try to push people to their old stock and also try to maximise profit from the new cards; unless there's a product wide price drop, I can see the 5070 actually being cheaper for a good few months.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Topher]

AMD underderlivers in GPU space 75% of the time.

 

[Bojji]

There is no such thing as GPU "IPC"

Same specs, same clock but one performs better than other. That's what I meant, call it whatever you want.

Maybe, they delivered with 3d Z5 without lies in benchmark.

 

[SolidQ]

That mean price gonna be raised! if 5070/5070ti poor perf

 

[Gaiff]

That mean price gonna be raised! if 5070/5070ti poor perf

I don't think raising prices is even in AMD's cards. They made it clear they plan to be aggressive and want market share. The most likely scenario is they were waiting to see if NVIDIA would have low prices so they'd have to lower them. I think they're coming in at $480-500 for the 9070 XT. If they do raise their prices, then it's back to square 1 for them.

 

[StereoVsn]

I don't think raising prices is even in AMD's cards. They made it clear they plan to be aggressive and want market share. The most likely scenario is they were waiting to see if NVIDIA would have low prices so they'd have to lower them. I think they're coming in at $480-500 for the 9070 XT. If they do raise their prices, then it's back to square 1 for them.

Yep, around $500 would be a great price for the card. If they go to say $600-650, then they are starting to get closer to 5070Ti… which then will cause folks to buy the 5070Ti.

Because if the difference gets that low , might as well get Nvidia for the various features.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I have the pricing on these cards and these rumours are WAY off!

 

[Thief1987]

I have the pricing on these cards and these rumours are WAY off!

Don't say that your uncle work at AMD...

 

[DenchDeckard]

Don't say that your uncle work at AMD...

haha, No. It's where I work and have done for the last 10 years.

 

[winjer]

I have the pricing on these cards and these rumours are WAY off!

But are they off, in a good way for gamers?

 

[SolidQ]

I have the pricing on these cards

Shop seller?

 

[DenchDeckard]

But are they off, in a good way for gamers?

Unfortunately not.

I am interested in who has made these rumours, as I can only speak for UK pricing. I can say it is more expensive cost price than the selling price that is leaking for both cards.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

 

[grvg]

Unfortunately not.

I am interested in who has made these rumours, as I can only speak for UK pricing. I can say it is more expensive cost price than the selling price that is leaking for both cards.

Doesn’t surprise me. Never underestimate amds ability to make horrible descisions.

 

[StereoVsn]

Doesn’t surprise me. Never underestimate amds ability to make horrible descisions.

Yep, if the card hits say $650, it’s joever.

 

[Gaiff]

Unfortunately not.

I am interested in who has made these rumours, as I can only speak for UK pricing. I can say it is more expensive cost price than the selling price that is leaking for both cards.

Aren’t cards in the UK more expensive anyway compared to the US?

 

[SolidQ]

I can only speak for UK pricing.

looking in EU Rtx 5080 prices, i'm not expect cheap prices

 

[StereoVsn]

looking in EU Rtx 5080 prices, i'm not expect cheap prices

At the minimum it would be €1,200 which is the MSRP plus VAT. Add more €€€ for distributor fees and AIB cards.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Unfortunately not.

I am interested in who has made these rumours, as I can only speak for UK pricing. I can say it is more expensive cost price than the selling price that is leaking for both cards.

That is most unfortunate.

 

[SolidQ]

Add more €€€ for distributor fees and AIB cards.

Yea, but RX 9070XT prices not going finalized, until last moment. All rumors prices etc, just placeholder.

The showed to us picture with prices. Line with 7900XT(i'd assuming current street prices) 650$ like?