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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January.
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Bry0
Member
Bugs maybe? Seems a little strange because it’s so late.huh?
Corporal.Hicks
Member
That difference in PT is huge. RX9070XT should be faster in RT than 7900XTX in both RT and PT, so I cant wait to read reviews.Cyberpunk has PT mode, Alan wake 2 has PT mode, black myth wukong has PT mode and Indiana Jones has PT mode. Plus Portal RTX and Quake you mentioned.
You are playing dumb but you obviously know about this.
In PT modes AMD performance can be few times slower than Nvidia. Benches you showed are using standard hybrid RT. This is PT:
We don't know how much better RDNA4 is in PT vs older architectures.
Overall the RX9700XT is shaping to be awesome card. AMD has finally implemented ML-powered FSR4.0, and probably ML Ray Reconstruction and hardware FG as well, and these features absolutely make a big difference in gaming. My sisters wants to build a new PC soon, and I might recommend her 9700XT.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
llien
Member
Yep.
Hehe, I've just scrolled through this experiment:
DLAA / DLSS image quality blind test
Guys, let's see if you can tell which screenshot has the best image quality. At the end of the poll I will reveal which is which and we will see how many people chose DLAA correctly :). If DLAA wins, it means it's still worth playing at 100% resolution scale and worth to invest in RTX5090 just...
when 5080 reviews will be released when 5080 sales start, not before, for some reason.
5070 reviews still coming some day too...
Yeah, after unhinged perf claims and mediocre buffs across 5000 lineup below 5090 (5090 ain't that great of an upgrade either), a lot of "but you don't native" spinning will be needed.
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Anyhow, dafuq are "PT games" please that are not Quake RT (which is, ray tracing + heavy denoising + some tricks)?
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SolidQ
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Schmendrick
Member
Yep.
Hehe, I've just scrolled through this experiment:
DLAA / DLSS image quality blind test
Guys, let's see if you can tell which screenshot has the best image quality. At the end of the poll I will reveal which is which and we will see how many people chose DLAA correctly :). If DLAA wins, it means it's still worth playing at 100% resolution scale and worth to invest in RTX5090 just...www.neogaf.com
when 5080 reviews will release when sales start, for some reason and with inevitable 5070 reviews still coming some day...
Yeah, after unhinged perf claims, a lot of "but you don't native" spinning will be needed.
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Anyhow, dafuq are "PT games" please that are not Quake RT (which is, ray tracing + heavy denoising + some tricks)?
Bry0
Member
Do you remember this? When it's was released
3080 vs 7900XTX
My mind jumped to “oh no is it like RDNA 3?”
I did not know rdna1 got a bump from a vbios update. Maybe this will be a pleasant surprise. I sure hope so. RDNA4 seems like it could be surprisingly good with the snippets we have.
AMD gimped the 5600 XT and then changed their mind at the last minute when they realised they would lose to the 2060.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Do you remember this? When it's was released
3080 vs 7900XTX
Ampere isnt nearly as fast as ADA lovelace in PT (my 4080 is 2.5x faster compared to 3090 in Black Myth Wukong with PT), so your comparison is basically worthless
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Bry0
Member
Ah, interesting. Maybe they decided to juice the tdp or something.
Crayon
Member
Im not expecting something so specific quite yet. That's all in the range of rumors, though.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
If you have free time, any chance we could get some benchmarks? Maybe something like Wukong built-in bench, Time Spy, Cyberpunk, etc.Yes I have xfx 9070 xt and xfx 9070.
9070 looks really plain and great for those wanting a none offensive looking card. The XT looks ok but has an interesting design with removable fins that I guess you can change to different colours or whatever.
I had heard a rumour on the Internet that launch is planned for 23rd of January but who knows if that's true......
manfestival
Member
The main reason I want this to do well is to have AMD remain at least somewhat competent instead of dropping off a cliff for GPUs. Intel is fighting through the hard part right now but they finally released a good product. If the rumored pricing is real then there is a chance that it can do well but the problem is that the nvidia marketing already owns so much headspace that people will see this card and probably downplay it because of muh MFG or some other feature that may be missing or even something like ray tracing which somehow is far more prevalent than ever but remains incredibly uninteresting outside of a few outliers(also for nvidia marketing). I won't be giving AMD my money this gen just due to having a 4090 already but just hoping they get a win for the sake of the people.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I don't have drivers as of yet but I will post some as soon as I can.
I've heard a rumour that AMD may have pushed back the launch date......
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
BacklashWave534
Member
Like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy Cavalier. AMD isn’t in Nvidia’s league anymore. Still, the lack of competition at the high end is already having negative consequences price wise.
Bry0
Member
What AIB is the XT that you have?
Topher
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Looks like AMD isn't trying to take on Nvidia in the high end anymore, which is wise. In the mid-range, they could be in Nvidia's league if FSR and RT improve. You can find a comparable AMD card right now if we are talking just rasterization.
BacklashWave534
Member
Even the 5070 will be tough competition for AMD. They are probably better off focusing on Intel who surprisingly has some great cards.
Topher
Identifies as young
AMD will have to make great cards as well to be competitive. No way around it. What has me worried is that they are so resistant to show what they have. Not a good sign.
manfestival
Member
Kinda crazy that people are so obsessed with trying to compare path tracing but only using 1 game effectively for this and keep trying to make entire arguments essentially around 1 GAME.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
He mentioned that already on the previous page
AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January.
AMD is king 💪 More like jester. Saying that as an AMD shareholder :messenger_tears_of_joy:
SonGoku
Member
If the leaked benchmarks are right about the 9700XT being between 4070Ti Super and 4080Super in Path tracing performance
Then this card will definitely be worth to get over the 5070 (only 12GB)
Then this card will definitely be worth to get over the 5070 (only 12GB)
Unknown Soldier
Member
I have no idea how much he is paid but I hope it's a lotllien
fighting the good fight as usual. Pretending RT is a gimmik and native resolution comparisons in times of DLSS would still make sense.
He disappears from GAF every 4 years and only appears when AMD and Nvidia are releasing new products so we know he's paid but his dedication to his work is breathtaking, he posts on weekends and holidays and during the middle of the night
Rocco Schiavone
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SonGoku
Member
NVidias decision to give the 5070 only 12gb makes the 9700XT very competitive, had they given it the 3GB modules the 5070 would have been a no brainer I agree but 12GB is just too low.
AMD now supposedly caught up in RT performance and its AI upscaling should be decent. The choice between MFG and slightly better reconstruction or 16GB. More vram looks more attractive assuming the RT performance is at least on par
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sendit
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Like the 4070, the 5070 targets 1440 resolutions. With DLSS, that target becomes even lower. Why do you think its too low at the resolution?
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Because 8GB isn’t enough for 1080p with new games. Neither is 12GB enough for 1440p+.
16GB should be the new standard.
sendit
Member
Name me games that are limited? You shouldn't be using Ultra settings if you have a lowly 4070 card anyways.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Indiana Jones.
sendit
Member
At what settings?
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
It’s unplayable at medium textures at 1080p native. You basically have to upscale from 720p for it to run on an 8GB card.
Good luck with even trying high or ultra.
SonGoku
Member
Because 4070 12GB vram already struggles at UW1080p, had to turn down textures for Indiana Jones and Hogwarts Legacy when maxing out settings and using DLSS quality for Hogwarts and balanced for Indy with frame gen on top for both. Haven't played wukong yet but read it also eats up 12GB when maxed
The 5070 specs are enough to max settings at 1440p but 12GB means it will have to turn down textures or some other vram intensive setting. If we already have games where 12GB is not enough thats not very good for a new card release
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Crayon
Member
It was one game for years. In the last year it's exploded to.... four.
SonGoku
Member
4070 isn't a lowly card it can max out any game at 1080p with DLSS
and the 5070 is supposed to be close if not on par with a 4070Ti, that card is definetly enough to max games at 1440p but it will be held back by its 12GB
sendit
Member
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
I’m not watching some video for you. I’ve played the game, I know what I’m talking about. It doesn’t stutter at that part it will in other places.
An XX70 is an enthusiast card, it’s meant to run games at high/ultra at a reasonable framerate.
12GB is bullshit for a premium card in 2025. Stop being an apologist for Nvidia.
sendit
Member
Contradiction at its finest.
sendit
Member
Ignoring blatant evidence and expecting me to believe "because I said so". That's fine, this conversation is over then.
SonGoku
Member
For me 4070 is a 1080p card the 4070Ti a 1440p card and the 4080/4090 4k cards
That way each bracket can max out settings and good framerates
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Okay, “4070 is a lowly” card. Yes, I’m the one being unreasonable here.
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle proves Nvidia wrong about 8GB GPUs
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle looks great, but Nvidia's low VRAM capacity struggles in the game.
www.digitaltrends.com
Inadequate VRAM is how you get an a770 beating a 3080.
You are misinformed. Now you can go.
SonGoku
Member
12GB is enough if you turn down settings like textures but its a tradeoff that should not be there for a 4070Ti tier card capable of maxing games at 1440p
The card has the power to max out all settings but because of vram constrain, it will require to turn down some settings like textures
If 9700XT is really on par with a 4070Ti Super in path tracing then its 16GB makes it more attractive than a 5070
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Nvidia’s own marketing material benchmarks the 4070 against 1440p. It is certainly not a 1080p card.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Family Graphics Cards
GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, RTX 4070 SUPER, RTX 4070 Ti, and RTX 4070
www.nvidia.com