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[Afro Republican]

https://www.pcgamer.com/analyst-pre...ing-pcs-for-checks-notes-tv-gaming-platforms/

Don't look up, PC gamers, because the sky is falling (again). Right on cue, a new report by Jon Peddie Research (JPR) notes that the "PC market continues to decline," and though gaming has traditional bucked this trend, the research firm forecasts that as many as 20 million PC gamers could defect to "TV gaming platforms," otherwise known as game consoles, within the next three years.

"The PC market continues to decline because the innovation that took place in the past providing speed ups and clever new things has all but stopped, plus the product introduction times are stretching out to four years. This is not a panic situation and the GPU market still generates incredible volume. However, there are forces at work that we predict will drive some of this business toward TV displays and associated gaming services," Jon Peddie said in a statement.

"No longer can the processor builders count on shrinking transistors every 24 months and either doubling performance or reducing costs. Product cycles will stretch to four years or more. The high-margin high-end segment will feel the pain the most," JPR says.

"We are observing a higher percentage of low/mid-range PC products sold because of the consumer’s intent to use with games. This, unfortunately, does not generate more volume but does guide research and design as well as marketing investments for hardware providers and foreshadows the ultimate use model of the PC, a desktop ergonomic gaming/computing environment that embraces user choice and customization. Gaming services used with TV displays, whether local or cloud-based, will absorb PC defectors and likely flourish with new entrants. In the next five years, we will see potential customers with access to TV gaming swell by hundreds of millions," said Ted Pollak, senior analyst, gaming industry at JPR.

I've heard this before, and there are a few holes in the analysis, which is why the word "anal" is in the word, but a ton of outlets are spreading mass panic like this means that PC gaming will be dead in 3 years, when it's not.

I do think some PC gamers will move to consoles though, I expect bigger competition between Xbox and PS next generation, and this time the consoles won't be 40 years behind PC at launch, so there may be some grabbings.

But the actual analysis reads like the reason why people will move is because of a sinking ship that's on fire and just got struck by lightning. Crazy.

 

[Starfield]

Hasn't PC gaming been better than ever? PC gaming will always be the high tier of the gaming side and never die out.

 

[Virex]

This is the dumbest shit ever. PC gaming will never die. 6 year ago they said consoles are dead and that mobile phones will take over.

Ah I see it's a PCgamer article. So yeah it is of no value at all as an article,.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No.

Also, things do no exist in a vacuum, let's 20m switch, that does not mean 20m are not buying into PC gaming either to offset.

 

[Gamezone]

What year is it?

 

[Mista]

This is stupid. There’s no indication that PC gaming is dying. People recently have invested more in PC gaming that ever or at least that’s most people around me

 

[LittleBusters]

Not happening.

 

[DarthBuzzer]

 

[Graciaus]

I switched from a lifetime of console to pc and have no interest in going back. If anything with more and more games coming to pc a switch is an easier decision. I could never go back to not having mods. You don't need top of the line equipment either.

 

[xool]

I think were nearing the end of great gains at affordable prices for CPU/GPU power (like the analyst says) -- thus, next gen will probably do a better job overall at keeping up power wise, compared to previous gens - but is that the reason people go PC?

There's a ton of strategy, simulation, indie, and other niche titles that just don't make it to console .. plus mods ..

 

[BigBooper]

I could see it shrinking a ton over the next decade, more because of Microsoft's aggression towards Windows customers, but I expect that's more than three years. The key thing to know is that analysts don't have to be right.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Afro Republican please be careful with your threads. You might make another gaming journalist sad.

 

[Bryank75]

I don’t understand why PC gaming is still so popular.... all the amazing games like Homeworld, Jagged alliance , command and conquer and shadow company don’t get made anymore.

The customization and mods are good but you just don’t get the quality that’s on Nintendo or Sony.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

20 million switching to consoles is not that far-fetched. GPUs are getting pricier. Games are being split across multiple storefronts. Not an absurd prediction that some people might give up PC gaming for a "good enough" console alternative.

But this would hardly mean PC gaming is "dead". 20m is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall PC market.

 

[ethomaz]

But people said to me yesterday that PC gaming was dead until Steam saved PC

PC gaming was never dead, year over year it increased sales, and that won't change anytime soon.

BTW where is the poll?

 

[Gamezone]

20 million console gamers will switch to cloud gaming. Up next.

 

[Tygeezy]

PC gaming has supposedly been dying for over 20 years now. Id say it's hotter than it's ever been at this point.

 

[Tygeezy]

20 million switching to consoles is not that far-fetched. GPUs are getting pricier. Games are being split across multiple storefronts. Not an absurd prediction that some people might give up PC gaming for a "good enough" console alternative.

But this would hardly mean PC gaming is "dead". 20m is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall PC market.

They need to allow mouse and kyeboard or actually use gyro before anybody even thinks of switching permanently. I got a switch for nintendo games and everything else is played on pc.

 

[Tygeezy]

I don’t understand why PC gaming is still so popular.... all the amazing games like Homeworld, Jagged alliance , command and conquer and shadow company don’t get made anymore.

The customization and mods are good but you just don’t get the quality that’s on Nintendo or Sony.

Consoles don't run games at 120 + fps. Consoles don't allow mouse and keyboard. Those are two big sticking points for me.

 

[Klayzer]

Why does the gaming media hate games? Fuckin doom and gloom in article after article. I'm curious, is it a race to see who predicted it first?

 

[Freeman454]

I do think some PC gamers will move to consoles though, I expect bigger competition between Xbox and PS next generation, and this time the consoles won't be 40 years behind PC at launch, so there may be some grabbings.

Console people have been saying that for decades, yet the reverse seems to happen.

 

[Freeman454]

Ah I see it's a PCgamer article. So yeah it is of no value at all as an article,.

Are they bad? Never read or visit them, never even heard of them before.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

They need to allow mouse and kyeboard or actually use gyro before anybody even thinks of switching permanently. I got a switch for nintendo games and everything else is played on pc.

Every generation, people switch to a new platform. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if 20m PC gamers got fed up with PC gaming (gasp! Yes, it happens all the time) and switched to consoles for the convenience or novelty of it. Doesn't really matter if m/kb is compatible or not. The idea that PC gaming is the "peak" and no one downgrades after attaining it is a false narrative.

So in that sense, the analyst is probably right. It may even be more than 20m PC gamers. Who's to say? But the notion that such a thing would be the "death" of PC gaming is ludicrous.

 

[Ovek]

Yawn PC gaming has supposedly been "dead" for years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Consoles don't run games at 120 + fps. Consoles don't allow mouse and keyboard. Those are two big sticking points for me.

True on the first part, the second you can use M/KB on the consoles.

 

[Virex]

Are they bad? Never read or visit them, never even heard of them before.

The PC in their name doesn't mean Personal Computer anymore. It means Politically Correct. So you're not missing anything

 

[Hendrick's]

I think as the price of graphics cards continues to skyrocket while console pricetags remain relatively stable, we will definitely see more PC gamers giving up their rigs and picking up a console.

 

[Klayzer]

Console people have been saying that for decades, yet the reverse seems to happen.

Or there's enough new consumers coming into gaming to satisfy both consoles and the PC crowd.

 

[Bogroll]

I heard this 20-25 years ago.

 

[Tygeezy]

True on the first part, the second you can use M/KB on the consoles.

You kind of can, Its not usually officially supported. I don't think its quite as crisp playing naively vs playing with one of those converters.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You kind of can, Its not usually officially supported. I don't think its quite as crisp playing naively vs playing with one of those converters.

PS4 has native support built it, as did the PS3. Now whether developers block it or not is a different story.

 

[Tygeezy]

PS4 has native support built it, as did the PS3.

I know it does, but im talking about playing games where they would lock it out. As far as I know you can't play overwatch, cod, or battlefield on ps4 without using one of those adapters.

 

[LazyParrot]

Are they bad? Never read or visit them, never even heard of them before.

I remember buying an issue of PC gamer all the way back in 2000 where they claimed the PS2 would kill PC gaming because it could run Drakan better.

So yeah, they've been at this for a while.

 

[CyberPanda]

Cool. I guess anyone can be an analyst now.

 

[Ixiah]

Realy putting the Anal into Analyst, because that Article was Ass.

 

[hunthunt]

80's: Consoles are dead, Pc is the future
90's: Pc is dead, consoles are the future
2005: Consoles are dying again
2019: Pc is dying again

 

[DanielsM]

Rinse and repeat the stupid articles from 20 years ago, now their recycle stupid cloud gaming articles from 10 years ago.

According to this IGN article which is still online, the PC market will “continue to decline” because of the heterogeneity of PCs, related development costs, and larger sales of console games. This article might be seen as a rebuttal to… IGN’s staff article from several months earlier about the best-selling games at the time, four of which were PC games, and how this bade well for PC gaming. Good call IGN, your prescience continues to amaze us.

A brief history of the death of PC gaming - Incredulous

The perennial story of the death of PC gaming is a great lesson in critical thinking and a case study in popular nonsense.

www.skepticink.com

This dozy is from 2009.

News | Latest tech news & rumours | Trusted Reviews

Read about the latest tech news and developments from our team of experts, who provide updates on the new gadgets, tech products & services on the horizon.

www.theinquirer.net

Maybe websites should just put new dates on their very old articles.

 

[Caffeine]

idk that long ps3/360/wii console generation basically had tons of people jumping over to pc. unless components hits astronomical areas I think pc will be fine.

 

[Bryank75]

Consoles don't run games at 120 + fps. Consoles don't allow mouse and keyboard. Those are two big sticking points for me.

You can get mouse and kB for PS4. FPS will improve with PS5 I’m sure.... wasn’t much choice when PS4 was being made.

 

[Tygeezy]

You can get mouse and kB for PS4. FPS will improve with PS5 I’m sure.... wasn’t much choice when PS4 was being made.

120 fps support at 1080 p and 1440 p with actual use of gyroscope would be enticing to me.

 

[tr1p1ex]

In a nutshell:

Higher percentage of people are buying low end pcs for gaming. Gap between consoles and those low-ends will be smaller than ever maybe even reversed. Meanwhile the graphics on pc are taking longer to improve meaning pcs won't as quickly improve for gaming while consoles are having silicon designed specifically for them and tvs for gaming are improving meaning consoles will more impressive than ever at gaming compared to pcs. And then on top of it pcgaming innovation just isn't what it was. Meanwhile cloudgaming (which he puts in the console category) will attract some people away from pcgaming as well.

It sounds about right.

I'm a pc gamer still , but ...it's not like it was from 1995-2005 and before when the pcgames I played were only available on the pc. Now it's mostly just about paying a small fortune to run console ports with better graphics at higher frame rates.

 

[Bryank75]

120 fps support at 1080 p and 1440 p with actual use of gyroscope would be enticing to me.

Yes, I think they will have to have some options like this on PS5, giving the various standards of TV or display people will be using. They do it on Pro for games like Nioh already but to a limited extent.

1440p would be an awesome setting to have, often overlooked.

 

[kiiltz]

These shitty articles don't know how varied the PC market is nor what the people in that market even do with their PCs

Any hardcore PC would have no interest in interest in switching to consoles because no matter the convenience of Smart TV gaming, it doesn't trump the convenience of a dual screen minimum set up with whatever peripherals they've got.

And if they're referring to the low end potato market like the MOBA or MMO crowd then they've more than likely been running a PC/console combo since last generation and even then a lot of mid range users like myself are included there.

 

[Mista]

You kind of can, Its not usually officially supported. I don't think its quite as crisp playing naively vs playing with one of those converters.

Xbox now officially supports KBM but other than that people been playing using xim

 

[KyoZz]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I love these analysts

But do we really need treads like that to give them credit?

 

[petran79]

idk that long ps3/360/wii console generation basically had tons of people jumping over to pc. unless components hits astronomical areas I think pc will be fine.

Adopting xinput saved pc gaming really or else console players would not have migrated

 

[FranXico]

 

[Freeman454]

80's: Consoles are dead, Pc is the future
90's: Pc is dead, consoles are the future
2005: Consoles are dying again
2019: Pc is dying again

Yeah, something like that.

Higher percentage of people that buy low end pcs for gaming are going to mighty tempted by consoles more than ever because the graphics on pc are taking longer to improve meaning pcs won't as quickly improve for gaming while consoles are having silicon designed specifically for them and tvs for gaming are improving. And on top of it pcgaming innovation just what it was back when we played games consoles couldn't even play. Now it's just play the games with prettier graphics but only if you spend a small fortune. Meanwhile cloudgaming (which he puts in the console category) will attract some people away from pcgaming as well.

sounds about right.

I'm a pc gamer still , but ...it's not like it was from 1995-2005 when the pcgames I played were only available on the pc. Now it's mostly a matter of running console ports with better graphics and higher frame rates.

Sure there is still a unique part of the pc market. Grassroots stuff happens on pc not on console. There are some unique business models that are pc only. Some games are dependent on m/k and thus pc only. Mobas for example.

But even that stuff is changing somewhat. STuff that is grassroots and gets big goes to console pretty quick. PUBG for example. Or Minecraft. Console is letting F2P games on their system. And then you have your MS, and maybe Sony too I forget, basically supporting native m/k if developers want to use it. So far we havent many if any native m/k games but nothing stopping them. And then we have unique business models on console with F2P games possible on console too.

I'm still a pcgamer, but ...barely. And really for me it's about the m/k interface and sitting close to my screen for fps games. I'm just used to it. I"m also used to the multi-tasking part of the pc.

While true, same could be said about console gaming. The 6th generation the consoles offered much more exclusives, and more often then not 3rd party games never saw PC, like SSX, TimeSplitters etc. Nowadays you only need a PS or Nintendo if you want to play those AAA exclusives, which arent that much anymore compared to PS2 era. About 15 to 20 exclusives at the most over a period of 8 years isnt that staggering.

Also, with MS basicly being all in with PC gaming, as much as Xbox gaming, PC will see much more console AAA exclusives like Halo Infinite which is being designed with PC in mind. AMD offering more and more competition, and Intel entering the GPU market will reduce hardware prices overall.

 

[synchronicity]

 

[Tygeezy]

Yes, I think they will have to have some options like this on PS5, giving the various standards of TV or display people will be using. They do it on Pro for games like Nioh already but to a limited extent.

1440p would be an awesome setting to have, often overlooked.

I accidentally left out freesync. Those three things are a must for me. Sony at the moment for some stupid reason doesn't support freeysync while xbox does.