James Sawyer Ford
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They probably saw the sales figures for 2023, hence a…delay
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Jez Corden: Xbox next-gen console hardware has now passed the early pitch stage
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They probably saw the sales figures for 2023, hence a…delay
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I’m just spitballing here. But unless they’re switching manufacturers, which sounds super duper costly, there’s nothing major in the generational department for a system to come out in the next year or two without it just being another “pro” evolution of tech.
mayham2199
Member
Nah they could really upgrade the thing with a nice CPU and GPU it will just send the price through the roof.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Precisely. And push past the “wattage agreement” for home consoles.
Danteyke223
Member
Whoever pitched, and let the Xbox Series S exist and that parity clause was the most dumbest asshole in the universe, that got the Xbox Brand more kneecapped than what old Donny boy did with the "Xbox 360" comment
mayham2199
Member
Honestly I think they might as well go for it because their next console isn't selling to anyone but hardcore Xbox players either way. Might as well give them a beast of a machine. Lock in your hardcore user base and then work on growing in other places.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Guys, seriously. This fat twat knows NOTHING.
He is literraly talking B U L L S H I T
He has a 100% failure rate.
Stop making threads on this fucken fat idiot.
He is literraly talking B U L L S H I T
He has a 100% failure rate.
Stop making threads on this fucken fat idiot.
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coffinbirth
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Lack of exclusive games have kneecapped Xbox for 10+ years, not dumb comments... or Series S, ironically.
I think there's some confusion (partly due to that discord leak) about the "3rd party Xbox" plans.
The upcoming handheld, which launches before the consoles, is just a PC and might be licensed out to Asus/Lenovo etc.
But the console is still just a console afaik.
I’m curious what the business case is for continuing the XBOX console.
Preventing GamePass subs from collapsing isn’t a good enough excuse, particularly if they’re stagnant.
If it doesn’t have a bright future, why waste money that could be otherwise useful in the AI space or fighting for those DoD contracts?
Preventing GamePass subs from collapsing isn’t a good enough excuse, particularly if they’re stagnant.
If it doesn’t have a bright future, why waste money that could be otherwise useful in the AI space or fighting for those DoD contracts?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Thank you for that clarification
James Sawyer Ford
Member
They’d just get a $5000 pc if they want a beast machine
It's quite simple, the Xbox appeared to sell 1/4 of the PS5 and this makes it seem like it's the "end of the Xbox" and MS will no longer make new consoles.
Xbox astroturfing runs on the internet to say that "the next xbox is already being made"
It's the Xbox Sect Leader lying to keep the sect's followers
A lot of things, a lot of rumors, are explained in the case of the Xbox as just to make fanatics of the brand excited.
Is Xbox troop morale low? Releases a rumor to increase troop morale in the holy war
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HeisenbergFX4
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
What’s wrong about it? Next box isn’t coming soon, unless they had planned for a Pro but numerous insiders said they weren’t
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ChiefDada
Member
its him again isnt it
His beard styling choices really irk me.
In my experience, the Xbox is obsessed with keeping its fanboys engaged by hyping the Xbox and fighting the "holy war" to "evangelize" the Xbox.
But let's see...
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clarky
Gold Member
Found some cunt on GAF that speaks sense.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
Why are you moving the goalposts of what you originally said that it was one or the other?
You can continue to buy and purchase every game on steam it doesn’t affect you at all what other store fronts they release on even Microsoft release their games on Steam.
viveks86
Member
Interesting!
HeisenbergFX4
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
They may not leave the console business, but the console business has left them
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Msft problem is the subsidy of these consoles. If it’s market price they get a profit or break even. They have also been beating their chests about double digit margins in software before and after actibliz. Since 70%+ xbots are subbed to gp, it would be heaven for them as they would then focus on expanding their games.
Ashamam
Member
And that right there is the crux of it. All I know for sure is whatever MS do, it will be profit oriented from Day 1.
As to timing, the console hardware staging actually sounds right to me, it never made sense that they would come in before they could fully compete/exceed the PS6 on architecture. Having a really expensive box that would be matched or exceeded by a cheaper mass market competitor say a year or so later purely because the Xbox release predated a silicon generational bump made no sense to me at all (keep in mind production lead-times etc for consoles). It has to be the power play for the whole generation to not be irrelevant at this point.
The idea of a PC'ish handheld and an Xbox console later is interesting though. Feels like its a bet in either direction to me, a bit unfocused strategy wise?
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SimTourist
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Without the series s they would be looking at 10 million lifetime sales for Series
Ashamam
Member
But would they? You can't just subtract the S sales and call it a day. I think it's a bit more complicated than that. For starters MS would have been making only the one piece of hardware, maybe they could have spent more time on the controller or further improved the X etc. We'll never know, but I'd argue the S has come at a cost to developers and that could well have held back X optimisation as an example. Resources are finite after all. Labour most of all.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I mean yeah, their strategy is unfocused and contradictory.
In the interview with Destin, Phil talks about how what's more important are the games rather than the platform. And at the same time (in the same interviewer) he still wants to build a platform too
But putting games on PS is driving the consumer away from his platform.
The same can be said regarding the business models between Game Pass and traditional game sales. Both business models are opposed to each other.
in terms of "next gen" hardware. I know people like to talk about specs and performance . But I think we could see an escenario where Xbox could be fighting the wrong war and ended up with an strategic blunder... again:
let's say that they make the most powerful console at $999:
MS has effectively rise the price bar for Sony. and i can see 2 escenarios happen:
1). Sony will compete in the power/spec war. in this escenario "bunsiess as usual" in terms of marketing and PR.
2). Sony will focus on the technology (i think this is the likely one)
Sony's marketing could cripple the power talk. leaving Xbox talking alone. a difference of $200 USD will be a big ask to the consumer, especially when the output will not be transformative enough
regarding the handheld
1. It's a very niche market (10M at best)
2. Steam owns it
The issue with MS, regardless of strategy, is that the industry has been consolidating, and Xbox should have been phased out. Now, they are trying to find a place in an industry where there is no room left to take
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Without a doubt and their current strategies do not inspire people to race out and buy another Xbox unless it does something different
Do I personally think this new Xbox is needed?
Not really
But that's a different topic
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Well yeah, that's the fascinating aspect of Xbox (at least to me). It has nothing to do with "the capabilities of their hardware" but what kind of marketing/PR they will be implementingWithout a doubt and their current strategies do not inspire people to race out and buy another Xbox unless it does something different
Do I personally think this new Xbox is needed?
Not really
But that's a different topic
So far, Phil’s and his shills’ talking points are failing to spin the situation and provide a clear scenario where Xbox (as the platform Phil is trying to build) makes sense. I also think Phil, as the public-facing figure and "friend of gamers," has run his course.
Booty and Aaron are unlikable and Sarah feels fake/forced.
As long as those four are in charge, the Xbox brand will remain anchored in its past (which is not good)
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
And what's going to happen when its sales numbers make One & Series look like a smashing successes? It will be interesting to find out.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I have said this before and you have been around long enough you have probably seen me say this about Phil so sorry if you have heard this one
It goes back to Phils and Ybarras private showing of Halo Infinite and Ybarra told me right away that after they saw it he kind of chuckled and thought they were getting punked and asked where the real trailer was
When they were told that was it Ybarra told Phil they couldnt show us gamers that trailer and Phil said it looked great and thus we got the Craig meme
So can Phil even spot a great game?
Have said this before as well I have ran games with Phil like PUBG and Warzone and maybe shooters aren't really his thing but he was bad at those
Plus I know interns run up their gamerscores for that street cred type of thing
So yeah I agree with you Phil the friend of gamers just a gamer himself has run its course
Interfectum
Member
They are going to copy Nintendo and Steam. No doubt the next Xbox will have a huge handheld component built into the box. Either a streaming screen that can detach or the entire system itself.
They will also merge PC and Xbox ecosystems and probably allow for a Steam app to be installed but I'm guessing it will be limited in nature somehow. Maybe it'll work the way Geforce Now works. Xbox syncs to your Steam account and if yo own it on Steam and it's available on Xbox you own it on there too.
They will also merge PC and Xbox ecosystems and probably allow for a Steam app to be installed but I'm guessing it will be limited in nature somehow. Maybe it'll work the way Geforce Now works. Xbox syncs to your Steam account and if yo own it on Steam and it's available on Xbox you own it on there too.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Weren't people talking about 2026? Definitely not happening if it's still that early in the process.
Taur007
Member
I hope so, series x and s are amazing consoles in their own rightits him again isnt it
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Phil = Microsoft's Herman Hulst, confirmed
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
The PS2 was in development immediately after the launch of the PS1. And next Xbox has just now passed early pitch stage?
mayham2199
Member
Damn I knew Jez wasn't skinny but didn't realize he was this big.
I think I can smell Jez Corden through my screen.
Director of Program Management for Xbox Series X Jason Ronald said that:
Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We’re Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We're Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft's Jason Ronald said that the Xbox Series X could have used variable clocks like the PS5, but the company isn't looking to boast higher TFLOPS.
wccftech.com
This is the difference between Xbox and PlayStation.
You will never read someone defending Jim Ryan after the failure of Concord and Sony's many canceled GaaS or someone hyping The Order
But you will always read some Xbox fan defending the idiot who didn't understand how the PS5 works and still went to celebrate full of arrogance having made the Xbox SS Potato or defending Ryse. Just like there are idiots defending Phill Spencer who gave the green light to Monkey Craig
Xbox, its employees and its fans are a Sect that worships incompetence.
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Is it a pleasant fragrance?
I think I can smell Jez Corden through my screen.
Dorago
Member
They can release yet another failed console assuming two things: their infinite money spigot from the DOD still exists by the end of the year, and Universities can still do 65% IDCs and give MS billions of dollars for Win 10, Office 365, SharePoint, and Exchange servers every year. Otherwise they may need to make competitive business decisions again soon
panda-zebra
Member
Play-Doh with subtle notes of rising damp.
It's always been obvious they can't just walk away when so much depends on those console subscriptions - retaining them is a nailed-on priority when worthwhile growth is seemingly impossible to attain elsewhere.
Pulling down the shutters on console hardware wouldn't be the play, weening them off onto something else far safer. Yet, curiously, they have effectively walked away from this gen of consoles given supply and sales being so low along with the effective non-existence of marketing and deals. This has also been read by some as simply gearing up for a new hardware launch because why the fuck would they just give up after only 4 years? Reality seems to be they just held their hands up and admitted it's going to be far easier to make waaaay more money selling games inside their once fierce rival's own walled garden instead of propping up a heavily subsidised, failing platform of their own. It feels very odd, but how long has it been since we've seen a console offering as irrelevant as the Series machines are right now? Even Game Cube and Wii U had their caches of amazing exclusives to justify their measly existences, yet xbox have conspired to engineer a platform that players no longer truly need because their exclusives no longer make good business sense.
What I'm finding difficult to reconcile is the prior talk of an all powerful xbox arriving around the same time as GTAVI - this is what we were pretty much told to expect from the insider gossip. That's the way I read it at least. It seemed like a masterstroke whereby the new machine drops right on time to offer the undisputed best place to play the biggest game of the generation and it's had the superfans moist in anticipation. It seemed a little unlikely because it meant effectively risking yet another xb1x stumble - a pointless power crown only to be forgotten a few shorts years later when next gen proper begins. No one's up for all that short term flip-flopping again especially when the abandonment of Series doesn't exactly instil confidence in the future of a platform to make purchases on.
So now, from what's posted in this thread, it's more likely the only hardware releasing in that timeframe will be a suite of OEM "xbox" PC handhelds, and this is the thing that's had rumours circulating about other store fronts and fruitier stuff "on an xbox". TBH that makes a whole lot more sense than an expensive xbox branded PC with multiple store fronts with zero guaranteed income post purchase. A regular next gen console later, very likely alongside a ps6, offering whatever AMD has available within a given power budget and timeframe that can be pretty high end/expensive to give the console GPU subscribers something to satisfy their needs and keep their custom - looks logical.
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What a nasal delight that would be.
That's what doesn't make sense to me- if Xbox need future hardware to push GamePass and that hardware is still years away, then why aren't they at least making their current generation consoles available?
panda-zebra
Member
I think maybe because they impact the balance sheet too much to produce and sell at a loss. There was a Spencer email where he pointed out the lower sales than expected had the silver lining of not incurring more losses. Bean counters made the case to Nadella that selling all their games in as many places as possible wins out over propping up an ailing platform and restricting access to titles?
Handhelds as an attempt to grow game pass in shorter term seems a reasonable punt, although competition in handheld PC space seems like it could get fierce over next couple of years fighting over a relatively tiny audience. Switch obviously works for a lot of people, but handheld PCs are a different prospect entirely, so their intention should be to bridge that gap and widen the appeal.
That's a good point.
Which could also suggest that whatever hardware is next will not be sold at a similar loss.