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[cormack12]

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...al-eventual-530-switch-2-price-after-tariffs/

Because of pricing concerns, their estimates for 2025 are now 15 million, down from 17 million. Those pricing concerns? They say it's possible there could be a 20% increase in the price of the Switch 2 over the next two years if these tariffs are maintained. That would put it at $530 in the US.

 

[MrJangles]

So $300 cheaper than an $840 PS5 Pro then

 

[Magic Carpet]

Thats only 2 weeks of work at minimum wage. And another 12 hours of work for each game.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Not gonna happen imho.

 

[Fbh]

Man, remember when consoles used to go down in price over time, instead of up?
Crazy times we lived in.

 

[Pejo]

There are zero credible ways of predicting anything about the current tariff situation and related price inflation. It could be completely different in a week's time.

 

[blacktout]

Seems like the US and Vietnam might be close-ish to reaching a deal, or at least Vietnam seems willing to make some pretty substantial concessions to get one, so, lord willing, we may never have to find out.

 

[Hyet]

So $300 cheaper than an $840 PS5 Pro then

PS5 is such a Professional it managed to evade tariffs despite them increasing the price of just about anything! God job, Cerny.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I can't see Moms and Dads en masse forking that over for their 12 year old upgrading from Switch. Hardcore 'gotta have its' will begrudgingly cough up the extra $€£.

 

[Kacho]

There are zero credible ways of predicting anything about the current tariff situation and related price inflation. It could be completely different in a week's time.

I believe in Taul Passi

 

[Wastelander92]

So $300 cheaper than an $840 PS5 Pro then

Luckily Sony released PS5 Pro before the tariff shit so they have a good amount of stock in the states.

 

[Punished Miku]

Neat.

 

[Great Auk]

Thats only 2 weeks of work at minimum wage. And another 12 hours of work for each game.

To be fair you shouldn't be buying the Switch 2 and any of those 90 dollar games if you're working minimum wage and have any type of real bills to pay.

 

[RoboFu]

could, maybe, might, possibly .... more fear mongering.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

PS5 is such a Professional it managed to evade tariffs despite them increasing the price of just about anything! God job, Cerny.

It's odd that people ignore the manufacturing advantage Sony has had when it comes to the PS5/Pro.

They've known tariffs were very possible since November. They've been stockpiling PS5s in the US for months. At a rate of 2-3 million units per month, if they've been able to stockpile since November, we're looking at upwards of 15 million units in the US, which would easily last them two years. Now we know that it isn't 15 million based purely on their inventory numbers. We know they let inventory run low at the end of FYQ3. We'll have a better idea of where they are inventory wise in a little over a month. One consideration though is that they haven't changed the price of that 400 dollar Astro Bot bundle. If they were feeling any real pressure, they'd probably bring that back up to 450 and the disc version back to 500.

 

[Hyet]

It's odd that people ignore the manufacturing advantage Sony has had when it comes to the PS5/Pro.

They've known tariffs were very possible since November. They've been stockpiling PS5s in the US for months. At a rate of 2-3 million units per month, if they've been able to stockpile since November, we're looking at upwards of 15 million units in the US, which would easily last them two years. Now we know that it isn't 15 million based purely on their inventory numbers. We know they let inventory run low at the end of FYQ3. We'll have a better idea of where they are inventory wise in a little over a month. One consideration though is that they haven't changed the price of that 400 dollar Astro Bot bundle. If they were feeling any real pressure, they'd probably bring that back up to 450 and the disc version back to 500.

They have stockpiled 2+ years worth of sales in less than 4 months? I think this kind of math only works on cookie clicker

 

[Certinty]

All those poor kids who are going to have to end up getting a Series S instead.

 

[CrimsonTide]

To be fair you shouldn't be buying the Switch 2 and any of those 90 dollar games if you're working minimum wage and have any type of real bills to pay.

Call me crazy, the only people that should be working minimum wage, is entry level high school kids. My first job in 2003 paid me $5.15, and I felt rich.

Also, these days, most jobs do not remotely start out less then $10. Regardless what the job is.

 

[Great Auk]

Call me crazy, the only people that should be working minimum wage, is entry level high school kids. My first job in 2003 paid me $5.15, and I felt rich.

Also, these days, most jobs do not remotely start out less then $10. Regardless what the job is.

Same here. My first job was in 2002 and was 7 bucks an hour. Pretty good for 2002 I guess! Lol

I had no responsibilities since I had just started college and lived at home. So that was my spending money. Then it makes sense to be buying consoles or whatever.

 

[Unknown?]

Seems like the US and Vietnam might be close-ish to reaching a deal, or at least Vietnam seems willing to make some pretty substantial concessions to get one, so, lord willing, we may never have to find out.

Of course they are, we buy most of their products and they won't let us sell stuff in their country. American companies aren't exactly being hurt by them increasing already high tariffs and protectionist laws. They make the playing field more fair and they benefit.

 

[CrimsonTide]

Same here. My first job was in 2002 and was 7 bucks an hour. Pretty good for 2002 I guess! Lol

I had no responoisbilities since I had just started college and lived at home. So that was my spending money. Then it makes sense to be buying consoles or whatever.

If every single job, regardless the job, paid a "living wage" (I assume that means pay all bills, rent, car payment etc) then a carton of milk would cost $10.

Entry level jobs exist for a reason. To teach you how to work and gain experience for better paying jobs.

Paying whatever a "living wage" is to a kid who took your order at Mcdonalds sounds insane to me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

They have stockpiled 2+ years worth of sales in less than 4 months? I think this kind of math only works on cookie clicker

Re-read what I said.

Sony is able to produce 2-3 million units per month. If they took the tariff threats seriously as far back as November, they could easily have stockpiled as many as 15 million units.

The mistakes you make in your response

2+ years. I never said plus, you added that as hyperbole.

Less than 4 months? It's been 5 months since November. Where are you getting less than 4 months from? Again you're doing the same thing but from the other end, to make what I've said sound less feasible.

It's basic math and it comes down to when they started taking the tariff threats seriously and how seriously they took them. It was very serious as of February and Sony addressed it at the time. If they maximized production purely for the US since February, I'd assume they would have at least 6 million units (2 months worth of full production) in the US on top of what they already had, which I'd guess was at least 4 million (in retail and warehouses). 10 million PS5s in the US would easily last them the next year unless GTA6 makes it difficult to keep in stock.

 

[Hohenheim]

In this scenario it's still a lot cheaper than in Scandinavia.

 

[Unknown?]

There are zero credible ways of predicting anything about the current tariff situation and related price inflation. It could be completely different in a week's time.

Don't conflate(see what I did?) rising prices with inflation. Tariffs can cause prices to rise but won't cause inflation as it does not increase the money supply.

Our government is quite good at increasing the money supply. At a 2% inflation target it takes only 36 years for your currency to lose HALF its value. $100 could only purchase what $50 would have before.

 

[yogaflame]

Nah its just fear mongering about this tariff issues. Business knows how to adapt and negotiate too get incentives and tax cuts and build factories in USA. And other countries are already open to negotiations and it will be resolved as soon as possible. This will not last long and it will bear fruit for all sides.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Don't conflate(see what I did?) rising prices with inflation. Tariffs can cause prices to rise but won't cause inflation as it does not increase the money supply.

Our government is quite good at increasing the money supply. At a 2% inflation target it takes only 36 years for your currency to lose HALF its value. $100 could only purchase what $50 would have before.

An increase in money supply is not the definition of inflation...

 

[rofif]

Honestly?
Finally Poland will not be the most expensive country for games lol.
Shit here is always so expensive.

700$ ps5 pro?
Yeah... over 900$ here...
Games being 70? Yeah right... closer to 90 without finding a good deal from small retailer. We love fucking ourselves up.

edit: I don't want to be mean.. but I will be. USA always are the biggest whiners while having the cheapest good. Try the same in Poland. People here earn 3x less and goods are 20-50% more expensive...
I know it's not everyone but hell is it annoying to read while our shit country here was for 60 years under russian occupation and we are still behind economically ....

 

[Hyet]

Sony is able to produce 2-3 million units per month. If they took the tariff threats seriously as far back as November, they could easily have stockpiled as many as 15 million units.

No reason to take what Trump stays on november 2024 when hes not a president and the overwhelming majority of media is betting against him in the election. Plus, he is Donald Trump, he may exaggerate a little bit sometimes when he speaks.

2+ years. I never said plus, you added that as hyperbole

Read the thread title

Less than 4 months? It's been 5 months since November. Where are you getting less than 4 months from?

Has this term been longer than 4 months?

It's basic math and it comes down to when they started taking the tariff threats seriously

At the most optimistic, when Trump won in December. Realistically, when he took Office and started signing execitive orders left and right. So, yeah, less that 4 months.

 

[Unknown?]

An increase in money supply is not the definition of inflation...

That is inflation, the definition is not rising prices. Increasing the money supply causes prices to rise due to decreasing the value of the currency. Rising prices are merely a symptom of inflation. Of course prices can rise due to other circumstances such as supply/demand changes for example but that isn't inflation.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No reason to take what Trump stays on november 2024 when hes not a president and the overwhelming majority of media is betting against him in the election. Plus, he is Donald Trump, he may exaggerate a little bit sometimes when he speaks.

The election was November 5th...

Read the thread title

You were responding to me not the thread title. And even then the thread title doesn't say anything about 2+ years, it says within 2 years.

Has this term been longer than 4 months?

That tariffs were on the way were clear since November, that if Trump won we were facing tariffs. People talked about it at length before the election. You might not have taken it seriously, but that doesn't change the facts.

At the most optimistic, when Trump won in December. Realistically, when he took Office and started signing execitive orders left and right. So, yeah, less that 4 months.

Again, the election was November 5th. And if I were Sony I would have scaled production in case he won. Easy enough to shift production else where if things remained the same. I certainly wouldn't have waited for him to take office.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That is inflation, the definition is not rising prices. Increasing the money supply causes prices to rise due to decreasing the value of the currency. Rising prices are merely a symptom of inflation. Of course prices can rise due to other circumstances such as supply/demand changes for example but that isn't inflation.

Please look up the definition of inflation.

What you're describing is a (as an an individual) thing that can cause inflation.

 

[Spitfire098]

So $300 cheaper than an $840 PS5 Pro then

Why compare it to pro when it won't measure up to the base ps5

 

[Robb]

 

[Sooner]

Within two years? I'd expect this to be immediate, if it happens. Why else delay the pre-orders now?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Within two years? I'd expect this to be immediate, if it happens. Why else delay the pre-orders now?

Delaying the pre-orders just gives you time to analyze the situation.

It's a really complex situation that has significant ramifications and there are still a lot of moving pieces.

How long will the tariffs be in place? How long could you as a company absorb the tariffs in order to not raise the price? How much current inventory do you have in place? What impact does this have on software sales? What impact does this have on hardware sales, especially if Sony releases a handheld next year?

 

[vodka-bull]

Thank Mango "we should think about injecting bleach" Mussolini and Eyeliner "I fucked a couch!" James for it.

 

[cireza]

Tariffs or not, the change has been pretty apparent for the last gen, and people expecting drastic price cuts (like they used to exist) will never get them. There is a reality to the price of ore, materials, manufacturing costs etc... that are on a constant rise as time passes, and that is simply driving up the bill as a whole.

Eventually, we will reach a point when the gain in performance will not cover the rise in price, meaning that for the same price, it will be impossible to design a better product than the previous one.

 

[nowhat]

Cool and all, but "Forbes analyst" basically means "you might as well ask a horse, he'll give as a trustworthy answer".

"Hey horse, is this tariff bullshit going to end any time soon?" "Neigh"

 

[Wildebeest]

Maybe it will seem like an absolute bargain of a box price if inflation skyrockets, and you still have a job. Look on the bright side.

 

[Deerock71]

Not gonna happen imho.

The first one to open up negotiations was Japan.

 

[calico]

Won't matter because there will be an abundance of proper jobs with good wages

 

[kruis]

There are zero credible ways of predicting anything about the current tariff situation and related price inflation. It could be completely different in a week's time.

Good luck trying to run a business that way.

 

[UnrealEck]

Man I really wish tariffs were never invented. If only I could go back in time to March 2025 and stop the invention of tariffs everything would be just swell.

 

[FStubbs]

Good luck trying to run a business that way.

Well yeah that's generally why markets are in turmoil around the world, you can't predict what an irrational actor will do.

 

[th4tguy]

If every single job, regardless the job, paid a "living wage" (I assume that means pay all bills, rent, car payment etc) then a carton of milk would cost $10.

Entry level jobs exist for a reason. To teach you how to work and gain experience for better paying jobs.

Paying whatever a "living wage" is to a kid who took your order at Mcdonalds sounds insane to me.

Entry level jobs shouldn't be 40 hours a week.
Anyone should be able to work 40 a week and make enough for living necessities.
Currently that isn't possible which is why there are many that are forced to work multiple jobs and/ or overtime, just to get by.
There are homeless people with jobs.
Just because more people can afford items that are not scarce in supply doesn't mean the price will go up.

 

[CrimsonTide]

Entry level jobs shouldn't be 40 hours a week.
Anyone should be able to work 40 a week and make enough for living necessities.
Currently that isn't possible which is why there are many that are forced to work multiple jobs and/ or overtime, just to get by.
There are homeless people with jobs.
Just because more people can afford items that are not scarce in supply doesn't mean the price will go up.

I know that homeless people... VERY RARE... have jobs, but far and away the #1 reason for homelessness is drug addiction. Flat out. 99% of anyone homeless does NOT work, and frankly, do not want to.

Also, prices on living wage varies city to city. You think some 16 year old kid working a cashier at McDonalds should make 80k-100k annually? Because in places like LA and NYC in America, that's scraping by.

I work 40 hours a week and not a second more. Plenty of money to pay my way into the world. Also, never went to college, just started working at 16 and never stopped.

 

[nowhat]

I know that homeless people... VERY RARE... have jobs, but far and away the #1 reason for homelessness is drug addiction. Flat out. 99% of anyone homeless does NOT work, and frankly, do not want to.

Not from the US, so just as an outside observation. But a) citation needed, and b) there are a fuckton of homeless that are so because of mental health issues. Not saying drug abuse wouldn't be an issue, it most certainly is. But then we get to the old chicken-n-egg.

 

[StereoVsn]

In this scenario it's still a lot cheaper than in Scandinavia.

No, it would be about the same since you have VAT and US pricing is without taxes, which vary greatly State to State and even down to City/County in some cases.

Half the issues Trump has with EU would go away if US had a proper VAT systems vs hodge podge of taxes. It would also make tax collection easier and bring more revenue.

But much as with Healthcare, none of that is possible in 'Merica.

 

[CrimsonTide]

Not from the US, so just as an outside observation. But a) citation needed, and b) there are a fuckton of homeless that are so because of mental health issues. Not saying drug abuse wouldn't be an issue, it most certainly is. But then we get to the old chicken-n-egg.

It's known here that its a drug addiction issue, brought on by the opioid crisis. America has had a mega fuck ton of documentaries, following people around, how they live, how they got that way. Plenty of media to consume if you are interested.

MTV used to air them
Lot's of other channels
Youtube has many of them as well.

It 100% is not because "jobs don't pay enough" that's a bull shit cop out by lazy people who choose not to work and want a check every month and free housing

 

[nowhat]

It's known here that its a drug addiction issue, brought on by the opioid crisis. America has had a mega fuck ton of documentaries, following people around, how they live, how they got that way. Plenty of media to consume if you are interested.

Sure. Purdue Pharma has done some terrific work. But there are also people who have become homeless for the simple reason that they are unable to take care of themselves.