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[LectureMaster]

Here you go little buddy.

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I said you’re making it seem as if that’s the only way to play. Because otherwise, your bitching is even more petty. You do you though I guess.

Also that last part is laughably revealing. So if you can’t include everyone, just include straight white males I guess. Again, revealing. Anyway carry on bitching about something in the game you’ll never see unless you want to see a gay samurai.

Revealing my ass, always in the end spew out the "straight white male" craps right? Sorry I am Asian and I could care less about it, all I care is the settings and narrative are self consistent. As GHG pointed out there whole inclusion thing is contradictory and all you do spin and wallow on the ground.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

That's it? You just want to be dismissive and palm off my concerns surrounding the hundreds of sexual orientations they've failed to represent in this game?

Not very progressive of you now is it?

I don’t make assassins creed little buddy, just trying to direct you to the people who do. You’re welcome.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Revealing my ass, always in the end spew out the "straight white male" craps right? Sorry I am Asian and I could care less about it, all I care is the settings and narrative are self consistent. As GHG pointed out there whole inclusion thing is contradictory and all you do spin and wallow on the ground.

Couldn’t* care less

Clearly not

 

[GHG]

Revealing my ass, always in the end spew out the "straight white male" craps right? Sorry I am Asian and I could care less about it, all I care is the settings and narrative are self consistent. As GHG pointed out there whole inclusion thing is contradictory and all you do spin and wallow on the ground.

Yesterday this clown tried to school me, a black guy who has spent over a decade being an expat across various locations, on what it means to move to a foreign country as a black man and for the locals to become "accustomed" to your presence. You couldn't make this shit up.

I don’t make assassins creed little buddy, just trying to direct you to the people who do. You’re welcome.

Bit late to take this stance now don't you think?

Why haven't you taken the same stance for all discussions surrounding the game? Or is it only when you feel that there's ample opportunity for you to white knight that you'll actually address things directly?

 

[nemiroff]

The anti woke mob is finally losing steam.

They never had the clamp on it anyway. Vocal wokes, vocal anti-wokes.. doesn't matter the side; either way it's usually a vocal minority being triggered by pattern recognition.

But sometimes the stars align and a game is overly patronizing and poor, like Veilgard. It's in those instances it seems like everyone are on the same side for the same reasons, but we're still not.

 

[Schmendrick]

Here you go little buddy.

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I said you’re making it seem as if that’s the only way to play. Because otherwise, your bitching is even more petty. You do you though I guess.

Also that last part is laughably revealing. So if you can’t include everyone, just include straight white males I guess. Again, revealing. Anyway carry on bitching about something in the game you’ll never see unless you want to see a gay samurai.

 

[LectureMaster]

Yesterday this clown tried to school me, a black guy who has spent over a decade being an expat across various locations, on what it means to move to a foreign country as a black man and for the locals to become "accustomed" to your presence. You couldn't make this shit up.

Wow, I must've missed a show! But why I am not surprised? The typical "patronizing tolerant inclusive party", right?

 

[ikbalCO]

They never had the clamp on it anyway. Vocal wokes, vocal anti-wokes.. doesn't matter the side; either way it's usually a vocal minority being triggered by pattern recognition.

But sometimes the stars align and a game is overly patronizing and poor, like Veilgard. It's in those instances it seems like everyone are on the same side for the same reasons, but we're not.

Yeah, a game like ac shadow is also where i draw the line where a studio is actively doing everything they can to polish a product and show they are taking important lessons from past failures (sw outlaws and avatar game) and some people want not only the game to fail, but the entire company burn?? Ok guys i also do not want a trans non binary furry in an ancient rome simulator game but is there way that we can stop the brain rot on our side?

I dunno, the whole narrative surronding this game was really discusting at some point and i am just glad game is here and its fine and working.

 

[adamsapple]

Does that change the fact that I walked in what turned out to be an LGBTQ bar?

Or...you know.. you just walked into a bar.

Where you had various options and none of them were forced on you or defined the bar you were in

 

[GHG]

Wow, I must've missed a show! But why I am not surprised? The typical "patronizing tolerant inclusive party", right?

Was the review thread.

And yes, par for the course, experienced plenty of that over at Reee before I asked them to nuke my account from orbit.

With every passing day it becomes clearer that these types of people don't really care, they only do it to feel better about themselves. It's all for their egos, nothing more, nothing less.

The correct answer was that it was likely Ubisoft didn't think about the interactions to that degree and/or didn't think it was appropriate to spend time/resources creating anything other than the usual non-essential npc interactions you get in games. But no, this guy had to take the opportunity to try and white knight in the worst way imaginable.

And even after he's been told he's wrong, theres no acknowledgement of that fact, no apology, just more digging. Quite astonishing really.

 

[adamsapple]

Man's on an unhinged crusade, and for what ? A fucking videogame of all things - and an extremely mediocre one at that, 'cause, let's not kid ourselves, if you think this bullshit is worth fighting for, maybe it's time to reconsider both your hobbies - and especially - your life.

The great thing is that with this line you could be talking about M ManaByte GHG LectureMaster me or even yourself

To an outlier, all of us are on an unhinged crusade over a fucking video-game over bullshit that might not be worth fighting for. But here we are.

Given you can customize the main character down to the gender, it also makes a lesbian romance possible with Princess Atsuko:



I didn't hear any outrage about any of this...

I wonder why more people aren't quoting this post or talking about it

 

[LectureMaster]

My man LectureMaster

My man, tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game. Literally you have to build the bonds, and romance with Ryoma to get the strongest accessory in the game. The romance is serving a purpose, exactly the opposite to reason why I don't like those in shadows.

And if you pay attention, all the male NPC's romancing lines are written in assumption the player is female, and vice versa (in Chinese and Japanese at least, I did not play English sub); of course you can still to do the same sex romance to get rewards, but the cutscenes and lines would be a bit akward.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Bit late to take this stance now don't you think?

Why haven't you taken the same stance for all discussions surrounding the game? Or is it only when you feel that there's ample opportunity for you to white knight that you'll actually address things directly?

What stance do you think is being taken here exactly? Should be worth a laugh.

White knighting, that’s great. I see you didn’t get your fill yesterday and want to be wrong again in another thread, still catching feelings. Cute.

 

[Sentenza]

we've moved from game needs to be succesful to game needs to entirely save the entire Ubi company

??
What do you mean "we've moved"? We were always there. Some of you just missed the memo for some reason.

As a proof of it, there's a bunch of stuff posted here MONTHS before this release, at the beginning of the past autumn, where some of us were already coming pretty much to the same conclusion: that given Ubisoft's DIRE financial situation AC Shadow wouldn't just need to do "fine" or "well enough" but to be a complete smashing hit to save the company.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Or...you know.. you just walked into a bar.

Where you had various options and none of them were forced on you or defined the bar you were in

For people who are all about labels, they sure don't like it when other people label them.

Why is that?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I wonder if people also have any strong thoughts about the romance options in the Japanese-made Rise of the Ronin, many of which were also real historical figures:



Wonder how Matthew Perry's family feel about the idea of him crossing sabres in the land of the rising sun:

Given you can customize the main character down to the gender, it also makes a lesbian romance possible with Princess Atsuko:




I didn't hear any outrage about any of this...

Because the grifters hadn’t figured out yet what makes these low IQ people rage click their videos and generate the drama. But yeah I mentioned this a day or two ago, we didn’t hear a peep about gay samurai romance here. Gee golly.

 

[adamsapple]

For people who are all about labels, they sure don't like it when people label them.

Why is that?

I don't know, I'm not the one who made a giant post about hypothetical labels.

I just think that it's too much drama over an optional RPG feature that isn't even new to this franchise let alone this game. The exact kind of romance option has been present in multiple previous iterations.

So all this fuss is a bit puzzling to me. Incl. the woke/dei talk, this has been part of the franchise for almost 6~ years now.

 

[LectureMaster]

To an outlier, all of us are on an unhinged crusade over a fucking video-game over bullshit that might not be worth fighting for. But here we are.

I think the bottom line for me is that I can play and enjoy the goods while criticizing the bads. Some would immediately enter full defense mode regardless.

 

[ikbalCO]

wrong thread. Sorry

 

[Killer8]

I wonder why more people aren't quoting this post or talking about it

Because it reveals the double standards people have when Japan does it.

Just like in the muh shrines thread when I pointed out how in Ronin you can also blast off praying monks heads and flamethrower Buddahs in real shrines:

Not a peep.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I don't know, I'm not the one who made a giant post about hypothetical labels.

You *are* the one who removed the label, though ...

So, again. Why is that?

 

[adamsapple]

You *are* the one who removed the label, though ...

So, again. Why is that?

What label did I remove? That hypothetical LGBTQ bar you walked into? How do you know it was LGBTQ and not just a normal bar with a diverse patronage at the time you visited? If at any given time there's more LGBTQ people in a Hooters, does that make Hooters an LGBTQ establishment?

Hypotheticals are funny like that.

Because it reveals the double standards people have when Japan does it.

Just like in the muh shrines thread when I pointed out how in Ronin you can also blast off praying monks heads and flamethrower Buddahs in real shrines:

Not a peep.

Right.

Pretty much all the things that get brought up as issue points for Shadows have been done elsewhere as well and I don't remember any of these names making a fuss about it in those topics.

There's only one result when you search Woke in the Rise of Ronin review topid and even that is someone referencing Yasuke, this selective outrage because their favorite youtube personality told them to be upset about it is fuckin' hilarious lol.

 

[GHG]

What stance do you think is being taken here exactly? Should be worth a laugh.

White knighting, that’s great. I see you didn’t get your fill yesterday and want to be wrong again in another thread, still catching feelings. Cute.

Ah see, you're at it again.

My experiences are wrong, because they don't fit with whatever worldview you've built up of what you think it's like to be a black guy. Once again, incredible stuff.

Please keep it up, you're doing great.

P. S. your current stance towards the lack of other sexual orientations being represented in this game is one of disregard. But I'm sure that if they did find a way to represent the hundreds that are supposedly out there, you wouldn't hesitate to highlight it and file it under "inclusion".

 

[Killer8]

Right.

Pretty much all the things that get brought up as issue points for Shadows have been done elsewhere as well and I don't remember any of these names making a fuss about it in those topics.

There's only one result when you search Woke in the Rise of Ronin review topid and even that is someone referencing Yasuke, this selective outrage because their favorite youtube personality told them to be upset about it is fuckin' hilarious lol.

The only thing I can find about it is this article on a no-name website:

Rise of the Ronin’s inclusion of same-sex samurai romances explained - AUTOMATON WEST

In Rise of the Ronin, you can have same-sex romances with Ryoma Sakamoto and Shinsaku Takasugi, but does this have any historical basis?

automaton-media.com

The Twitter reactions from actual Japanese people were largely positive because it reminded them of a big budget boys love game... Go figure.

Playing through Rise of the Ronin was actually a moment of realization about how stupid much of the discourse surrounding Shadows had become.

All of the criticism levied on Shadows can be applied to Rise of the Ronin: being able to play as a black character or a woman, violence against priests, disrespecting shrines, gay romances, historical inaccuracy.

Of course, much of that is completely optional, but we've learned from this thread that people apparently don't like options now.

I also forgot that the game does the body types 1 & 2 thing in the character creator and there's a content warning at the start:

Actually, I did find some moaning about the game here:



That must've completely flown under the radar. As someone who has sunk 45 hours into the game now (almost finished the second region), I didn't think about any of this for more than 5 seconds. Because a) i'm not gay and b) I don't play the game like GTA.

Japan has truly fallen, they even got to Team Ninja:

 

[MMaRsu]

??
What do you mean "we've moved"? We were always there. Some of you just missed the memo for some reason.

As a proof of it, there's a bunch of stuff posted here MONTHS before this release, at the beginning of the past autumn, where some of us were already coming pretty much to the same conclusion: that given Ubisoft's DIRE financial situation AC Shadow wouldn't just need to do "fine" or "well enough" but to be a complete smashing hit to save the company.

Ubisoft s dire situation has nothing to do with the actual quality of this game though

And Im sure its a succes

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Ah see, you're at it again.

My experiences are wrong, because they don't fit with whatever worldview you've built up of what you think it's like to be a black guy. Once again, incredible stuff.

Your experiences are your own. Where you are wrong is taking your modern experiences and trying to shoehorn them into ancient Japan to fit your narrative. Last time I will post on that matter, you have fun though.

P. S. your current stance towards the lack of other sexual orientations being represented in this game is one of disregard. But I'm sure that if they did find a way to represent the hundreds that are supposedly out there, you wouldn't hesitate to highlight it and file it under "inclusion".

Per usual, you’re failing at making a real argument here. You’re relying too much on the straw man fallacy. I can appreciate someone trying to include something like gay romance, even if I am not gay myself and don’t intend on experiencing it in the game. That doesn’t mean I need to strive to see all 500 orientations or whatever idiocy you posted earlier, nor do I need to criticize any game that doesn’t include any or all of it.

Again, you’re welcome for the help.

 

[yogaflame]

The game's been out for two days and the weekend is just starting.

Many gamers are testing the waters on this game?

 

[Sharius]

lmao, did they count ubsoft+ account, steam family sharing and also PSN account sharing in this number, i can't say anything about other 2 but for PSN account sharing, i know few dude in my country running account hiring business and some of them own hundred PSN account, beat me how they can keep track of it, i never interested in hiring PSN account, but it's a thing in alot south east asia country

 

[Principal]

Yesterday this clown tried to school me, a black guy who has spent over a decade being an expat across various locations, on what it means to move to a foreign country as a black man and for the locals to become "accustomed" to your presence. You couldn't make this shit up.



Bit late to take this stance now don't you think?

Why haven't you taken the same stance for all discussions surrounding the game? Or is it only when you feel that there's ample opportunity for you to white knight that you'll actually address things directly?

As a black man who is a foreigner in one of the whiter countries in the world, they do. You might have had shitty experience but whatever.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

when is the full relase of this game?

It should reach at least twice as many CCUs.

 

[Principal]

when is the full relase of this game?

It should reach at least twice as many CCUs.

basically only 2 to 5% of players are in Steam and if you do the calculation. 2 million x 0.02 = 40k, around there, so there you have it.

 

[Shmunter]

Let’s hope it’s all legit. As much as I advocate for sending a message to overt woke work that the great unwashed don’t want it, we cannot have Ubisoft fail.

 

[Astray]

This thread's been delivering the goods, I need to get more popcorn.

 

[GudOlRub]

we cannot have Ubisoft fail.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

basically only 2 to 5% of players are in Steam and if you do the calculation. 2 million x 0.02 = 40k, around there, so there you have it.

This man maths

 

[Astray]

There are like 20k jobs at stake here.

Only sociopaths would want 20k households losing their livelihoods over a video game they can easily ignore.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

 

[Ozzie666]

I don't believe any of their PR, especially when it comes to 'player's and oxygen metrics. But I get it, trying to create positive buzz to push sales and engagement. The game is going to do reasonably well to the dismay of many. Will it be enough for share holders or the company it self, I have no idea. The spin is real for this one. Instead of a 7/10 game, they dropped the ball and it could have been a 9/10 memorable game. It just goes to show the franchise name 'Assassins Creeed' is worth something. Unfortunately, I don't think Ubisoft is going to learn any lessons with this one.

Personally I think the series peaked with Black Flag which should have become it's own franchise.

 

[Kenpachii]

Ubisoft haters in shambles.

Good to hear its successful

 

[Sharius]

There are like 20k jobs at stake here.

Only sociopaths would want 20k households losing their livelihoods over a video game they can easily ignore.

there are many more job at stake on the world, and if they want to keep it, they have to do whatver their customer want, if they out right said our opinion don't matter, so does their job for us

 

[Astray]

there are many more job at stake on the world, and if they want to keep it, they have to do whatver their customer want, if they out right said our opinion don't matter, so does their job for us

They are delivering what their customers want rn and those customers are coming in droves. Just because you don't like it doesnt mean it won't be successful. I personally don't vibe with TLOU and likely never will, but I don't go around forums pretending it's a flop when it's clearly not.

Enthusiast forums have never really understood how big of a brand AC is. It's really really big with normies. Like I know people that would go and buy the latest Assassin's Creed, %100 it, bitch about it to me for YEARS and then STILL buy the next AC when it comes out.

It's kind of COD Jr in a way.

 

[GudOlRub]

There are like 20k jobs at stake here.

Only sociopaths would want 20k households losing their livelihoods over a video game they can easily ignore.

It's not over a videogame, it's over many, many franchises.
Most of their best IPs are dead or completely butchered with live service bullshit and they refuse to do better.
And 20k people wouldn't lose their jobs, ubisoft isn't a company that would simply vanish, it would get sold to one or several other companies and obviously many of their studios would be part of the deal.
So yeah, I do wish the current Ubisoft completely falls apart, whatever new form it would take afterwards would not be worse than what it is currently.

 

[GHG]

Your experiences are your own. Where you are wrong is taking your modern experiences and trying to shoehorn them into ancient Japan to fit your narrative. Last time I will post on that matter, you have fun though.

But the fictional scenarios you've made up in your head about 16th century Japan are ok right? Let's just ignore the fact that the non-essential NPC reactions to both protagonists are identical, which would point towards them not even bothering to do anything in this area at all, rather than the ridiculous made up scenario you're asserting is the reason.

But remember, "you don't make Assassin's Creed" right? It's just a shame you couldn't remember that when coming up with your made up "accustomed" theory.

Per usual, you’re failing at making a real argument here. You’re relying too much on the straw man fallacy. I can appreciate someone trying to include something like gay romance, even if I am not gay myself and don’t intend on experiencing it in the game. That doesn’t mean I need to strive to see all 500 orientations or whatever idiocy you posted earlier, nor do I need to criticize any game that doesn’t include any or all of it.

Again, you’re welcome for the help.

Interesting that you're now calling the 500 orientations "idiocy". Funny that, how very progressive of you.

As a black man who is a foreigner in one of the whiter countries in the world, they do. You might have had shitty experience but whatever.

Sweden? I had a very postive experience there when I visited, nothing negative to say about it. Good people.

You should try certain parts of Asia, where you'll get gawped and stared at. On the whole, it's pretty harmless even if it does get old. But honestly, I had worse experiences growing up in the UK.

 

[shinevisual]

I like AC Shadows, finished it last night but considering it cost $300-$400 million, and they want to potentially sell the company at the highest price possible

Ubisoft needed this to be a massive breakout hit, not a modest one. Just making its money back is not enough

 

[Sharius]

They are delivering what their customers want rn and those customers are coming in droves. Just because you don't like it doesnt mean it won't be successful. I personally don't vibe with TLOU and likely never will, but I don't go around forums pretending it's a flop when it's clearly not.

Enthusiast forums have never really understood how big of a brand AC is. It's really really big with normies. Like I know people that would go and buy the latest Assassin's Creed, %100 it, bitch about it to me for YEARS and then STILL buy the next AC when it comes out.

It's kind of COD Jr in a way.

can't say 2 million players (which include account sharing and cheap service from subcription) , for a series that already 18 years old, it's a good job, especially as japan setting which being demand for long time since AC2, and after ghost of tsushima success, the demand even grew bigger

 

[StereoVsn]

Still have a ways to go to break even if it cost $250 million to make…

There is a reason why they have a cash shop. Progression was curved “appropriate “ to be annoying enough for some folks to pay up.

In Odyssey I used mods/cheats to avoid this. In Shadows Ubisoft is supposedly watching memory modifications through their DRM to prevent that.

 

[Pop]

Ubisoft haters in shambles.

Good to hear its successful

its not

some of yall keep falling for pr speak

players not sales. Ubi+ is hurting sales

 

[SuperC]

Ubisoft haters in shambles.

Good to hear its successful

Well, at least they didn't burn something

 

[GudOlRub]

In Shadows Ubisoft is supposedly watching memory modifications through their DRM to prevent that.

It is not, there's trainers to modify xp rates and such already.
Ubisoft could certainly detect and ban those people, it'd be funny if they did for sure, imagine the shitstorm that would go their way.

I also used trainers for Origins and Odyssey, I always loved the power trip of earlier AC games, them taking that away in these new ones pissed me off. Valhalla with the guaranteed assassination option gave me an out at least so I'd just rush most targets using stealth, kill them and then get the fuck out.

 

[Astray]

can't say 2 million players (which include account sharing and cheap service from subcription) ,

There are people who share accounts for all the major games, why would this be a significant factor for this specific game?