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[Unknown Soldier]

I want to thank my fans and haters alike. May we all be blessed with more woke games over the coming years.

We won't be

When MS finally gives up on woke, will you as well?

 

[Fabieter]

Concord got crushed because it's a bad game.

DEI definitely played a huge role.

 

[bender]

 

[adamsapple]

We won't be

When MS finally gives up on woke, will you as well?

No, Sony will fulfill the rest of the quota so we'll all be satiated

Concord got crushed because it's a bad game.

Multitude of reasons, bad marketing, launching too late for the kind of game it was, years after people had already turned their back to it in most cases with only one or two exceptions still remaining, having a notable $40 price point when other directly comparable games launched free.

DEI was likely in the single digit percentage of reasons why the game failed. You don't completely shutter the game in less than two weeks because of the reception to the character models. There were deep rooted issues with the game.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

DEI definitely played a huge role.

No doubt. Right from the get go it was nailed to the rainbow coloured cross and laughed at by everyone except websites towing the corporate revenue line.

But in reality even crap games can sell and be played too. That terribly reviewed DayZ zombie game got awful reviews but sold millions and right now on steam I think it’s a top 30 CCU game even now.

Warframe is another. That game released junky with bad reviews. It’s still alive and kicking.

I think the general vibe is a bad game technically can still pan out if devs stick to it and improve the content and performance. But a political game will never be accepted by the masses once it gets made fun of starting on the wrong foot with gamers.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Man, sure would be tragic if this art director is the reason for discriminatory hiring lawsuits come flying in. It's not like there is a whole cottage industry of law firms salivating for these kinds of suits lately.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

It doesn't matter when this account was made or how many times i posted, maybe i'm a lurker, and I didn't know calling out hypocrisy was "stirring shit up" ... but ok. Can't the mods determine if i'm a sock/alt account?... if i was i'm pretty sure i would have been ban already, so till i get ban for being an alt stfu with your baseless accusations.

Your 3rd sock account pressed like on your post.

Have some fucking dignity Stu

 

[Fabieter]

No doubt. Right from the get go it was nailed to the rainbow coloured cross and laughed at by everyone except websites towing the corporate revenue line.

But in reality even crap games can sell and be played too. That terribly reviewed DayZ zombie game got awful reviews but sold millions and right now on steam I think it’s a top 30 CCU game even now.

Warframe is another. That game released junky with bad reviews. It’s still alive and kicking.

I think the general vibe is a bad game technically can still pan out if devs stick to it and improve the content and performance. But a political game will never be accepted by the masses once it gets made fun of starting on the wrong foot with gamers.

People forgot that it was laughed at for 10 times the magnitude than avowed is right now.

The rest of the game was mid as fuck but the DEI killed the game for sure. People hated the art style, character designs and DEI. Gameplay was actually serviceable.

This woke shit has to stop so yes if that means fucking up this release too than so be it.

 

[XXL]

Quite the spirited defense! As such, I bequeath thee

The one day I'm not here and this happens.

 

[Seomel]

Well well, Matt has been awfully quiet last few days.

 

[KimDongHwan]

Concord got crushed because it's a bad game.

??? How would people even know if it's a bad game if no one played it? Do you think there might be something else that made people not even give it a chance when it was free?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

“they put the ability to choose pronouns in the character creator as a toggle, so the game has to be mid”

Fucking lol

This goes beyond pronouns. This is about the attitude of developers and how they act. This is about said developer previously saying racist/discriminatory statements. This is about hating your own customers. No, just goes beyond pronouns here.

 

[Kacho]

Well well, Matt has been awfully quiet last few days.

Management 100% told him to STFU

 

[TrebleShot]

You are all wrong and the sales figures will show it.

Concord and Dragon Age have shown that gamers want these kind of experiences and will turn up in droves to prove the toxic grifters wrong.

I expect record sales and DA:v type numbers.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

How the fuck, did they go from this



To this?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

You are all wrong and the sales figures will show it.

Concord and Dragon Age have shown that gamers want these kind of experiences and will turn up in droves to prove the toxic grifters wrong.

I expect record sales and DA:v type numbers.

It's going to be a BIG surprise for sure when it beats both Concord and Veillguard which are VERY HIGH bars!

How the fuck, did they go from this



To this?

I did remember getting interested and really wanted to see more during the first reveal, really felt like a Elder Scroll type of game there.

 

[Kacho]

[insert game] didn’t sell poorly because it was woke™

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

How the fuck, did they go from this



To this?

Looks same?

 

[adamsapple]

[insert game] didn’t sell poorly because it was woke™

GTA VI.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Looks same?

Maybe it’s just me but the tone looks completely different

 

[Kacho]

GTA VI.

Wut

 

[Fabieter]

??? How would people even know if it's a bad game if no one played it? Do you think there might be something else that made people not even give it a chance when it was free?

Obsidian defense force was part of that shit storm too.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

[insert game] didn’t sell poorly because it was woke™

For them to sell well, they'll need to do really well in other things that would be enough for people to bypass those nasty shits. And/or balancing the wokeness so it's optional or not as in the face.

Games I predict that will still do extremely well even if they insert these fucked up sick shits in are

Witcher 4 - because it'll have deep and good writing and lore plus characters are designed well in the game so female characters actually looks feminine and male ones are cool.

GTA VI - being the best modern day sandbox game where you can mess around in a huge city and a amazing online mode to mess around with other players in free roam which are the main selling points.

Elder Scrolls VI - A huge immersive adventure fantasy sim with lots of choices and the biggest access to modding.

 

[adamsapple]

Wut

 

[Boglin]

 

[Kokoloko85]

adamsapple.

Taking on all comers no sweat.

At least with Adam you know what you get, he’s a fanboy like myself
Theres a bunch of people that go around pretending they aint but war all the time or sneak about lol

 

[Kacho]

Is GTAVI confirmed woke? I’m not following your logic.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Just out of curiosity, can you name a couple of PS1 games where gay / lesbian / LGBT characters were well written in your opinion?

Cause when I think of older games, it just seems like there were cases of bad stereotypes, eg the Honeybee Inn in FF7, written and played for laughs, or games like Fear Effect where the marketing heavily played on the implied lesbian-ism as a selling point.

Phantasmagroia 2. A PC game from 1996

 

[Kokoloko85]

Concord got crushed because it's a bad game.

The gameplay was more than fine and more polished than alot of crap out there. We all know woke was why it was hated on before it came out.
The price to content ratio and progression was its biggest actual in game issues. And of course the awful character designs and DEI direction of it.

Well Imo. I enjoyed it. Gunplay/combat wise, it was fine and I preferred it to alot of others.
They could of avoided alot of trouble if they avoided the shit DEI characters, had a focused single player story campaign and more thought into the PVP progression and modes for the longterm.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Is GTAVI confirmed woke?

So far it doesn't seem like it from the first trailer. They got feminine looking woman especially the one who turns around at the roof pool. Lucnia doesn't look bad. And also got ladies shaking their asses. Even if they have woke stuff in later it'll probably be very minor. Basically GTA VI so far feels very different from that Saints Row reboot woke garbage with their shitty cast of abomination freaks.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Western games have gone full shit

Gta6 and next Cory game are the last hope

I wouldnt have too much faith in Cory keeping DEI out of his next game. Probably some time next gen people will go back to normal or its gonna be ten times worse lol

 

[adamsapple]

Is GTAVI confirmed woke? I’m not following your logic.

Doesn't matter, there will be those who will find 'woke' items in it regardless of how impactful they may be.

Taking a page from chorizooporizo's book and just searching on YT will yield results like this.

 

[Plague Doctor]

This goes beyond pronouns. This is about the attitude of developers and how they act. This is about said developer previously saying racist/discriminatory statements. This is about hating your own customers. No, just goes beyond pronouns here.

Like divorce this from the central issue, this is piss shit fucking attitudes from people representing their studios and their projects. Like the unhinged blind hatred they have and publically flaunt.

Even if this dude was on your side and spoke to your politics and shit, you should reject the vitriol and unabashed antagonism.

 

[Kacho]

Doesn't matter, there will be those who will find 'woke' items in it regardless of how impactful they may be.

Taking a page from chorizooporizo's book and just searching on YT will yield results like this.

It does matter. There is nuance to whether a game is woke and we've seen it have a direct impact on a games success. I can let you know if GTAVI qualifies when the time comes. Heisenberg007 can too since it sounds like he's a big fan of the series, I'm not personally. I doubt GTAVI comes anywhere close to Concord or Veilguard.

 

[adamsapple]

It does matter. There is nuance to whether a game is woke and we've seen it have a direct impact on a games success. I can let you know if GTAVI qualifies when the time comes. Heisenberg007 can too since it sounds like he's a big fan of the series, I'm not personally. I doubt GTAVI comes anywhere close to Concord or Veilguard.

Ehh.. our mutual desi friend Heisenberg has been shown to change his stance for similar content depending on whose publishing the game so...

As always the best way to judge is to try it yourself or do first hand research, which should be the same case for all examples.

Be the judge yourself if it's something you're interested in.

 

[Kacho]

As always the best way to judge is to try it yourself or do first hand research, which should be the same case for all examples.

Be the judge yourself if it's something you're interested in.

Yes, this is generally good advice. But with Avowed there's reason to be concerned with what we've seen after Outer Worlds. This looks like more of the same, maybe even worse.

You played Veilguard and seemed to like it. But then you posted several times that the game was not woke. "It's just one character etc etc." You seem really committed to go to bat for that stuff for some reason and I don't think many people trust you.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Is GTAVI confirmed woke? I’m not following your logic.

With Dragonage as a template, it would be obvious if GTA turn woke. It would be VERY out of place, but basically if you give certain individuals representing DEI, invincibility and inability for them to be harmed by the player despite not being story critical, it would be the proof that it has gone full woke. You play as a criminal in GTA after all, the whole point is the option to hurt people.

 

[Kokoloko85]

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

This is an amazing post, for all the wrong reasons.

Is this not just a toggle in the character creator?

 

[Valedix]

1500 replies LMAO.

 

[Seomel]

You are all wrong and the sales figures will show it.

Concord and Dragon Age have shown that gamers want these kind of experiences and will turn up in droves to prove the toxic grifters wrong.

I expect record sales and DA:v type numbers.

funny thing it will be on gamepass so we will never get real numbers, same as starfield which someone needed to boot up once and ms would account it as player

 

[nowhat]

Multitude of reasons, bad marketing, launching too late for the kind of game it was, years after people had already turned their back to it in most cases with only one or two exceptions still remaining, having a notable $40 price point when other directly comparable games launched free.

DEI was likely in the single digit percentage of reasons why the game failed. You don't completely shutter the game in less than two weeks because of the reception to the character models. There were deep rooted issues with the game.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you. I must be taking crazy pills.

...so where are my crazy pills? Give them to me! But the whole final reveal at SoP was to me a resounding "meh". Granted, I'm not the target audience, fuck multiplayer. Also fuck Men_in_Boxes - not really related, just wanted to put it out there. But still, very much "meh". If it had been F2P from the start, maybe it could have stood a chance, as slight as it was. But as a "pay and then pay again" game, it was stillborn from the go. DEI had very little to do with it.

 

[MayauMiao]

I hope he will do a video on David Jaffee.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

lol gta6 gonna have woke and everything and make fun of it all. Make fun of the left and the right and everything I between.

 

[sainraja]

Everyone was shitting on Concord, i would like to see if you keep this same 'anti-woke' energy with Sony's tempoles releases.

People that are asking him to keep the same energy when it comes to a Sony title, will not keep the same energy they have in this thread, in that thread about this future Sony title you all speak of. If you are going judge people simply on that alone, then the people you are allying yourself with are all hypocrites too lol. So stop with the finger pointing or the supposed "gotchas" because some of you will do the exact same thing and have done the exact same thing for a title not published on your beloved box.

There is no point in defending any title published by any publisher because none of us have played a part in designing it. The only thing you guys have done is "chosen" the box that game can be played on.

 

[Plague Doctor]

People that are asking him to keep the same energy when it comes to a Sony title, will not keep the same energy they have in this thread, in that thread about this future Sony title you all speak of. If you are going judge people simply on that alone, then the people you are allying yourself with are all hypocrites too lol. So stop with the finger pointing or the supposed "gotchas" because some of you will do the exact same thing and have done the exact same thing for a title not published on your beloved box.

There is no point in defending any title published by any publisher because none of us have played a part in designing it. The only thing you guys have done is "chosen" the box that game can be played on.

I am PC first player, previous Sony, and will go hard on Sony for this shit.

I wish console warriors realize they had better from their console of choice. They were once given games that didn't have this shit.

And if they call out their console company of choice, this shit gets shut down and the companies will return back to what they used to make. It's not going to kill your console of choice, they will keep on chugging.... it just telegraphs to them to stop this shit.

 

[kikii]

enjoy ;D

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One sunny day, a curious little chicken named Clucky stumbled upon Adam’s Apple. Clucky wasn’t like other chickens in the coop; he had a feather on his chest that resembled an Xbox logo. It shone like a tiny beacon, much to the amusement of the other farm animals.

Clucky had heard tales of Adam's magical apples and wanted to find out what kind of wisdom they could give him.

“Hey, Adam’s Apple,” Clucky chirped, craning his neck. “I’ve heard your apples can make me smarter. Is that true?”

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“Indeed, little chicken. But my apples only grant wisdom to those who face a challenge first. Are you ready for one?”

Clucky puffed up his chest proudly, the Xbox logo gleaming brightly. “I’m ready for anything!”

Adam’s Apple chuckled, and one of its glowing apples floated down, hovering just above Clucky’s reach. “To earn this apple, you must complete the Trial of Patience. Beneath my roots lies an ancient treasure: a controller of great power. But it’s hidden among riddles. Solve them, and the treasure is yours.”

Clucky scratched his head with a wing and began digging beneath Adam’s Apple. To his surprise, the soil revealed stone tablets with riddles etched on them.

The first riddle read:
“I power your play, yet I hold no key. What am I?”

Clucky thought for a moment and exclaimed, “A battery!” The ground rumbled, and a hidden compartment opened, revealing a glowing path.

The second riddle appeared:
“I’m a symbol of connection, four arms, yet no legs. What am I?”

Clucky flapped his wings in excitement. “A controller!” he chirped. The path grew brighter, leading him deeper into the ground.

At last, Clucky uncovered a treasure: a golden Xbox controller embedded with jewels. The moment he touched it, the Xbox logo on his chest lit up, and he was filled with a burst of energy and clever ideas.

When he emerged from the roots, Adam’s Apple smiled.
“Well done, Clucky. Not only did you earn an apple, but you’ve proven the value of determination and quick thinking. Now, enjoy the apple.”

Clucky took a bite of the apple, and suddenly, he could outsmart even the cleverest of foxes. From that day on, he wasn’t just a little chicken with an Xbox logo—he was the hero of the farm, the one who brought adventure and gaming to Pixel Grove.

And every time Clucky shared his stories, the other animals would gather under Adam’s Apple, dreaming of their own quests.

---

 

[lmimmfn]

How the fuck, did they go from this



To this?

Agghh my eyes, so much f**king purple

I'm so glad I play on PC, have a library of over 1000 games so I'm not dependent on the absolute thrash that is current/upcoming games.

 

[sainraja]

I am PC first player, previous Sony, and will go hard on Sony for this shit.

I wish console warriors realize they had better from their console of choice. They were once given games that didn't have this shit.

And if they call out their console company of choice, this shit gets shut down and the companies will return back to what they used to make. It's not going to kill your console of choice, they will keep on chugging.... it just telegraphs to them to stop this shit.

Well said and agreed and personally, I think a game with woke elements can still be enjoyable because most games don't have a "complex" story, nor do I think games need it. It is easy to ignore the woke elements as long as they are not in your face and the gameplay is good. Of-course, developers need to be mindful of stuff like this if they want their audience to spend money and if people don't speak up, they'll continue getting this in their games.

I have played through Spiderman 2 and the woke elements didn't ruin the experience for me but I am wondering based on what some people are saying here, is having a lesbian or gay character enough to make a game "woke"?

EDIT
Side note, I really miss tightly-focused linear games with an interesting story, the likes of Prince of Persia: SOT, GOW, Uncharted etc. Everything is open-world with so many different gameplay systems learn/master.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Well said and agreed and personally, I think a game with woke elements can still be enjoyable because most games don't have a "complex" story, nor do I think games need it. It is easy to ignore the woke elements as long as they are not in your face and the gameplay is good. Of-course, developers need to be mindful of stuff like this if they want their audience to spend money and if people don't speak up, they'll continue getting this in their games.

I have played through Spiderman 2 and the woke elements didn't ruin the experience for me but I am wondering based on what some people are saying here, is having a lesbian or gay character enough to make a game "woke"?

Again I am going to note you are suggesting you greatly enjoy SM 2 in spite of not because of 'woke elements'. This implies it would have been better if they removed it in your opinion, while finding it enjoyable in spite of it.

Look, woke is an authorial intent to include a social issue element hard into a segment of the game. More times than not in a way that doesn't add anything nor fits with the story. It is vanity. They want to flex their politics and they want to wave a flag.

They didn't need to do that. It didn't enrich your experience. It was something you overlooked.

That isn't good core audience engagement even for an otherwise good game. It's an indulgence by one of the leads.