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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product
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toxiichollow
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Holy shit, just looking at that thread....lol talk about hypocrisy.Gotdamn my brother, you have sure come a long way from last year
A game which featured practically the same scenario in a side quest.
Heisenberg007
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Gotdamn my brother, you have sure come a long way from last year
A game which featured practically the same scenario in a side quest.
Yes. At that point, I was ignoring these things. I think the whole woke thing was over-blown.
In hindsight, I was wrong. Even Spider-Man 2 was quite woke now that I look back at it. Now look at games like Dragon Age Veilguard. Horrible.
This thing is now negatively affecting the quality of games. Even Spider-Man 2 could have been much better without all this.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
vaibhavpisal
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I get a feeling you will be ignoring this stuff again, a few months into 2025.
toxiichollow
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So from now on you wont ignore any upcoming Sony game with woke elements?
LectureMaster
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Gotdamn my brother, you have sure come a long way from last year
A game which featured practically the same scenario in a side quest.
LectureMaster
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Spider man 2 is the first first party game that I don't own. Borrowed copy from friend, finished it in 25 hours and never looked back.
Heisenberg007
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I bet.
So from now on you wont ignore any upcoming Sony game with woke elements?
It's not the gotcha you guys think it is. I was already criticizing Concord even before Avowed. Will continue to do so if another company (including Sony) releases another game like this.
Heisenberg007
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The gameplay was a big step up. But the main story / writing / side-quests etc. were downgraded, and I think that's because of their focus on DEI.
Could have been much better. Looking back at everything, SM1 had a much better story.
adamsapple
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toxiichollow
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Everyone was shitting on Concord, i would like to see if you keep this same 'anti-woke' energy with Sony's tempoles releases.
Heisenberg007
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Sure. If that game is woke and the game suffers for it. I'll criticize it all the same.I'll see you in the Yotei threads, Samurai.
I want a great follow-up for GoT. F anyone whoever messes with that, SP or SIE.
Heisenberg007
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Moving the goalpost already? lol. Tempoles.
toxiichollow
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what goalpost was moved? congrats you shitted on a game everyone shitted on. All i'm saying continue to keep the same energy.
demigod
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Looks like someone found the pw to their alt account.
toxiichollow
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‘DEI’ and character design is a different conversation altogether.
you basically went from complaining about ‘homophobia’ to sneering about lesbians in one year. That’s not DEI or ‘character design’
You seemed to have zero issues with lesbianism in games just last year, defending it enthusiastically…
Heck, here’s your post from last year.
She is not. Do not be swayed by these Internet trolls and salty fanboys.
It is an RPG, and the game offers you a choice of making it romantic if you want to. The same choice is offered for both a guy (Avad) and a girl (Seyka).
Similar to how it is done in Assassin’s Creed, Cyberpunk 2077, or Mass Effect.
You can make her straight, lesbian, bi, or nothing.
Do not be swayed by fake outrage by these salty fanboys.
But now, you’re happy to say that a quest in Obsidian’s 2019 game that involved helping lesbian lovers is proof that the devs are ‘woke’.
Have you turned to one of those ‘salty fanboys’ you complained about last year?
REDRZA MWS
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No developer “art director “ can hold Elon Musks dick. Hess a sad liitgle shit because the other 99.999999 % of humanity don’t give a fuck about made up “pronouns” which is ridiculous to even have to type that shit let alone say it.
Are you going to KNOW your CUSTOMERS and MARKET? Or should a dec/pub in business to make money give a fuck about the .00000000000000000001 % of humanity that is mentally ill?
Are you going to KNOW your CUSTOMERS and MARKET? Or should a dec/pub in business to make money give a fuck about the .00000000000000000001 % of humanity that is mentally ill?
Trilobit
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I think it's important to bring these things up so that people can notice it. They are of course free to like or dislike woke stuff, but some people don't want anyone shining a spotlight on it. I remember when I was an adult and I was made aware of how entertainment media very often makes dads look stupid and incompetent. Until then in my whole life I hadn't even reflected over how weird that was or how accepted it was. Something just clicked in me.
Kokoloko85
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It’s just typical xbox Defence team.
You see these same people talk about Concord lol..This game is gonna end up way more “woke” than Concord
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adamsapple
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Bumblebeetuna
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This is like the fourth time you’ve brought up this companion quest from Outer Worlds. Weren’t you the one whining about “woke mind virus”?
Gotdamn my brother, you have sure come a long way from last year
A game which featured practically the same scenario in a side quest.
Oh man I am totally shocked by this complete turn now that it isn’t a Sony game. I never ever would have guessed this was coming. Oh man I am totally shocked /s
The best part is how he goes from defending an optional quest that has homosexuality in it to being completely negative about the same kind of quest now that it’s a MS game. Oh man he must have grown so much in between when Spider-Man 2 launched and when Outer Worlds launched. Oh wait, Outer Worlds came out four years before Spider-Man 2
And this clown had the audacity to try and claim I was playing favorites with a Microsoft game because I intend to buy Avowed and will only try South of Midnight… both Microsoft games.
This is why you don’t let your kids go full warrior.
Tal Shiar Agent
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More retarded back and forth over "woke" and "anti-woke" when really the only thing that actually matters is whether what's "woke" or not is well written.
ChorizoPicozo
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can "woke" be "well written"?... can actual Nazi Propaganda be "well written"? and if so... should be accepted and celebrated?
adamsapple
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Can an even more dumber and disingenuous comparison be made? And if so should it be accepted and celebrated?
Kacho
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That was before we jumped the shark with this woke stuff too. I remember noticing it and thinking it was weird. Looking back it’s like YIKES! Big oof energy.Btw that collage of characters from the outer world looks like a buffet of butch boys for a priest convention
Fabieter
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Most of the time woke means fucking stereotype character at best. So on average I would expect a mid game out of this.
Heisenberg007
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I am not sure Cory's game will be the opposite of this. It'll likely have some of these elements. But I hope they don't f-up GTA 6.
GTA's real beauty has always been so unhinged (in a good way). It always felt fresh. If it keeps its identity (like San Andreas and GTA 4), it will feel even fresher in today's landscape. I'm very excited for GTA 6. Will be super sad if that also turns out to be idiotic.
“they put the ability to choose pronouns in the character creator as a toggle, so the game has to be mid”
Fucking lol
Sweet Baby lists Santa Monica studios as one of their clients, so it’ll be interesting to see if you’ll boycott Cory’s game out of hand.
But i fully expect thatwasdifferent.gif
GHG
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I'd argue that if its well written then it's not "woke" at all (considering "woke" is considered an insult in today's world).
There was diversity, gay and lesbians etc in PS1 games for goodness sake (along with a whole host of other mature themes), but the people writing those stories took care to make them both entertaining and believable. What we typically get now is preachy agenda driven nonsense, that is neither entertaining or believable. Which unfortunately comes as no surprise considering the absolute state of the people involved in these projects these days.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just out of curiosity, can you name a couple of PS1 games where gay / lesbian / LGBT characters were well written in your opinion?
Cause when I think of older games, it just seems like there were cases of bad stereotypes, eg the Honeybee Inn in FF7, written and played for laughs, or games like Fear Effect where the marketing heavily played on the implied lesbian-ism as a selling point.
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ChorizoPicozo
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i think this topic is way above your head. but what can we expect.
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Fabieter
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They said there is gonna be more of it in the final release so yes this is gonna be another dragon age situation and yes Cory is going in that direction than fuck his new game the same as obsidian. Why would you make an exception if you don't like this shitty writing.
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i think this topic is way above your head. but what can we expect.
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Journalists proclaiming the end of 'gamers' are wrong, but so are gamers. Everyone is wrong and here's why.
Instead of posting random, un-related article pictures, show an example of how you correlated 'woke' writing with Nazi-writing.
Gina Carano being fired from a privately owned company projects does not equate Nazi-ism, FYI.
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Bumblebeetuna
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He had all of that saved and ready to fire off. A mountain of tears.
adamsapple
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He had all of that saved and ready to fire off. A mountain of tears.
He always does in these Xbox game related topics. Posting snippets from supposed 'xbox influencers' on random streams no one's ever heard of before.
My man is a literal example of a web crawler actively finding anything to post.
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Humdinger
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My definition of "woke" includes forced, agenda-driven diversity and inclusion - as opposed to something organic, natural, flowing from the story itself. So to me, a game that is woke is by definition poorly written (hamfisted, modern politics inserted obtrusively). Others seem to define "woke" differently, though, so to them, woke might still be good. I don't see it that way, but I'm not going to fuss over it.
ChorizoPicozo
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exactly
delirium trigger
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I think GTA VI is going to blow people away with its open world but unfortunately, I think all the witty satire will be gone.
Bumblebeetuna
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This is fine and dandy but the crybaby mob doesn’t look at it this way. Or, at least, there is no such thing as “forced” diversity or inclusion with them, it’s anll encompassing. Any minority or female character is immediately woke. Unless she’s dressed like a whore, then it’s like totes based my man.
GHG
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Just out of curiosity, can you name a couple of PS1 games where gay / lesbian / LGBT characters were well written in your opinion?
Cause when I think of older games, it just seems like there were cases of bad stereotypes, eg the Honeybee Inn in FF7, written and played for laughs, or games like Fear Effect where the marketing heavily played on the implied lesbian-ism as a selling point.
Saga frontier and Parasite Eve. And as a kid I didn't think anything of it, either way.
What's wrong with the marketing for Fear Effect? It was 100% appropriate for the time period.
Just because the marketing wouldn't be appropriate for today's "modern audiences", it doesn't then mean the games themselves were poorly written.
And well done completely ignoring the point I made about entertainment. There is nothing wrong with approaching sensitive themes from a more jovial point of view.
The whole point of videogames is to entertain, but fools like Matt Hansen instead think videogames are now a vehicle for education (which is ironic considering this is not a topic where there is a defined right or wrong way to approach things).
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Fabieter
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This is why most people dislike "woke" games. You're simply dismissing others' opinions because this time, it's a developer or game you're excited about.
If pushing a political message takes priority over creating a good game, then they deserve the backlash they get.
Humdinger
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Can you point to a specific example of someone doing that on this forum, or in this thread? If so, I'd be interested. Otherwise it's just the usual predictable stuff - calling people racists and sexists for objecting to woke ideology. To me, it usually says more about the accuser than the accused.
Aces High
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Parasite Eve has no LGBTQ elements in it.
I have not played Saga Frontier so can't comment on it.
Fear Effect was a thoroughly mediocre game though, and its primary marketing point was "hey watch these two hot girls doing sexy things".
I guess in that regard it's not much different than Stellar Blade.
I'm not sure I follow this point. Matt Hansen's social media antics should not be transposed on the game without any evidence of the game being overly preachy (like Veilguard, for comparison).
As far as we know, this game's 'pandering' is just a pronoun option.
It might also have all characters be pansexual and be romanceable regardless of gender, but both these things were also done by Baldurs Gate 3 just over a year ago.
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