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David Jaffe to Phil Spencer: 'You suck...... get some therapy.'
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onnextflix5
Member
The hands on approach was not working , now the hands off approach is not working, don't know what else can they can, i think they need a need to find a middle ground, and properly need another 15 studios,
kingfey
Banned
Maybe that is how they get rich?
I mean who keeps their money in the bank?
Not me. Definitely not me.
CosmicComet
Member
I love Jaffe for giving me two of my favorite Playstation characters of all time but not sure about this take.
davidjaffe
if you and Phil were locked in a cage together I would be scared for your life bruh. Phil probably has super fast handspeed with how often he has to punch air due to bad MS news.
davidjaffe
if you and Phil were locked in a cage together I would be scared for your life bruh. Phil probably has super fast handspeed with how often he has to punch air due to bad MS news.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Bring in people who are better at it?
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
The question is not if Jaffe is right or wrong with this take (he's clearly wrong), the question is whether or not Jaffe believes in this take or just knows it's good bait.
The XBox brand is performing exceptionally well by basically every conceivable metric that matters to Microsoft right now.
AAA games that don't get delayed are the very rare exception, not the rule. Everyone knows this.
The XBox brand is performing exceptionally well by basically every conceivable metric that matters to Microsoft right now.
AAA games that don't get delayed are the very rare exception, not the rule. Everyone knows this.
alabtrosMyster
Member
Yes, Phil is a sociopath, there is no therapy for this.
Jaffe only has anger issues, it's probably manageable.
Zeroing
Banned
Don’t you remember the infamous meltdowns threads and posts? What you think that was about?
People take sides! Other exaggerate their opinions, others simple choose not to post.
And it’s not the first time I saw people around here really unhappy with how their own fanbase/community behaves.
Anyway I’m just here to have fun and talk about video games!
kingfey
Banned
Its all halo infinite 2020 and cyberpunk 2077 delay fiasco all over again.
Any time a delay for a super popular is announced, people go down in to mass hysteria, and drama.
It's all in the wrist
Member
Jaffe is an astonishing human being and I love the guy, but he says some harsh shit sometimes lol.
IndianaJack
Banned
Phil is doing a great job.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why are we counting fight sim twice. I get that they ported it to consoles this year but if we start counting ports, it gets messy real fast. What happens when deathloop gets ported to Xbox this year, does it count again?
this thread is about phil spencer, the head of the microsoft publisher, so of course they count
and even if we only count the 3 games, it gives them an even higher score, even though the current score is the highest average ever.
kingfey
Banned
this thread is about phil spencer, the head of the microsoft publisher, so of course they count
and even if we only count the 3 games, it gives them an even higher score, even though the current score is the highest average ever.
davidjaffe
opinion aside, the Metacritic wont do anything for gamers.My main concern with Xbox/MS was always their hands off approach. This policy is harming xbox, because those studios can do whatever they want to do.
There is a reason why Sony studios behave. Sony wont take a crap from them.
Unless they get rid of that policy, MS/Xbox would always have these issues.
343i is clear example of that. And what is worst is that mojang is refusing rtx for XSeries systems. No way a 1st party studio should act like that.
IndianaJack
Banned
Yet XBox got flak before for being too hands on, interfering with 'creative' studios. So they can't seem to win.
My main concern with Xbox/MS was always their hands off approach. This policy is harming xbox, because those studios can do whatever they want to do.
There is a reason why Sony studios behave. Sony wont take a crap from them.
Unless they get rid of that policy, MS/Xbox would always have these issues.
343i is clear example of that. And what is worst is that mojang is refusing rtx for XSeries systems. No way a 1st party studio should act like that.
TheDarkPhantom
Member
Jaffe is right (ignore the clickbait thread title and actually *listen* to what he says in the clip) and beyond that he's contributed more to the gaming industry than Phil Spencer ever will, big facts.
kingfey
Banned
You wouldn't be on this thread talking about xbox without him.
Shmunter
Member
To put it in Joe Biden era speak, Phil Spencer, Flim-Flam Man
I like Jaffe but that's one helluva statement.
The Alien
Banned
Yep. I don't believe its a convenient excuse or 'let's miss a month, adjust and back to normal cuz we can code at home kind of situation'.
I think the pandemic fucked this industry hard for 2 years and we are still seeing the effects - and these games probably aren't part of the final wave if games impacted.
TheDarkPhantom
Member
Not really, it's a simple, factual one. Jaffe created not 1 but 2 of the most iconic franchises in gaming history, one of which is still going strong within the gaming space, the other now expanding into it's own television series. Phil Spencer is... better than Don Mattrick, quite the achievement, I know.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
There is definitely something going on over there at Microsoft. Launching a new console with no first party games imo is inexcusable. The entire handling of Halo Infinite with it’s mismanagement, delays, etc and now I’m hearing the anticipated DLC is underwhelming after 6 months of waiting. Acquired a multitude of studios and we can barely get a screenshot after years of development from most of their games and now some of their biggest games of 2022 get delayed. To add fuel to the proverbial fire, what happens if these games like Starfield, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Redfall or Hellblade 2 don’t live up to the hype?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They are both used car salesmen. Both lie, mislead and obfuscate. Like you said, Phil has been saying games are coming for almost a decade now and all hes produced in the last two years is yet another halo and forza. Last gen ones at that. He had to buy Zenimax just to fill in 2022 and tbh, i dont even think that game should count. it's a game that was always coming to xbox consoles. All he did was take it off of playstation.
Jim tried misleading us about cross gen games for months if not years. he was straight up point blanked asked if gow was cross gen on launch day and refused to answer. He knew. It was cross gen for day one. He ran ads showing how GT7 was a PS5 exclusive when he knew it wasnt. He revealed Gow with a title and a release date of 2021. He knew they wouldnt make that release date. After all, he didnt even have a single cutscene or even a screenshot to reveal the game. But he wanted to show that gow was coming within the first year so that people would purchase his ps5 asap.
I mean he reversed the HFW next gen surcharge after people caught him in a lie, but he still didnt reduce the PS5 version's price tag on the digital store. it was still $70. You had to go to the PS4 page to buy it for $60. Someone later found out that 70% of the sales were of the PS5 version so he ended up fooling 70% of his own consumers into paying an extra $10. This almost immediately after Phil had tried to get away with literally doubling the price of Xbox gold. Neither of these men have any shame. If thats no scummy used car salesmen behavior i dont know what is.
P.S I totally forgot about how Phil once said he wanted to focus on GaaS. I fell for it back then but that was another lie because aside from Sea of thieves, he went on and made single player games the rest of the gen. Bought PG, NT, Obsidian and Undead Labs who arent exactly GaaS studios. They make single player games. So wtf was all that gaas nonsense about? And Zenimax has like 0 studios who make gaas games. I guess Fallout 76 counts as one but they dont have anything else planned with starfield and elder scrolls taking up all the dev time over the next decade or so. He will say just about anything to keep his audience happy and they all fall for it every time. Where is their destiny? or division? Is Halo their fortnite or Warzone? It literally has no progression or end game for a GaaS game. Halo infinite doesnt even have coop let alone PvE. Obsidian is working on Avowed an RPG. NT is working on hellblade an action adventure game. Playground games is working on Fable. Another single player RPG. Perfect Dark is mostly like SP. Gears is always SP with an mp element, hardly a GaaS title. Said the same thing about how the first two years of xbox will be cross gen but only had 2 cross gen games in development. Another half truth.
I am sick of these suits taking over once proud companies. They truly cared about pushing the medium back then. Took hundreds of dollars in losses on hardware. Now they just pass the cost on to the consumer. They put profits over everything, charge us $500 for a next gen console and then shove last gen games down our throat. And then they have the guts to lie about it.
Who do i prefer? Nintendo. They dont give a fuck about pushing the medium, but they also dont bother lying or patronizing us. They get that they no longer give a shit about giving their audience or their devs cutting edge tech, but at least they dont go out and lead us on for years.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Do people even read this shit before they send it? Some people are so into console wars that they ignore a global pandemic that changed everybody's work/production schedule just to find something to bitch at their least favorite system for. And this person I replied to will be the exact same type of person who will be the first to say when any Bethesda or Activision studio release anything incredible, "Xbox had nothing to do with it, the game was already in development for years. Let's see what new games they build from scratch while under xbox."
It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking predictable and pitiful.
JerryinSoCal
Member
Really? The 360 was xbox's best gen by far both in sales and in new game releases, I'm sorry but game pass is just Spencer trying to do something in gaming that's already been done in music and movies he's no visionary he's a copy cat with a nearly unlimited checkbook because Xbox gets to spend a ton of money brought in by other divisions in MS.WtF are you saying dude?
The guy built foundation for xbox, and took them to next level. Something Sony have yet to do it.
While he hasn't released new games, he opened xbox to a new platform, and made xbox accessible to people.
That is not a salesman.
Salesman is someone like EA, who would literally dry you of your money.
Your hatred and obsession with Phil is weird man.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Sounds like you are confused on the meaning of passive aggressive.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Have you seen the UndeadLabs turnover lately.
kingfey
Banned
Look at 1st party studios.
He had the entire gen to expand those studios. Instead, he didn't.
I understand people would like to attack Phil, since he had mat booty job. But why do they ignore Don Mattrick not being able to buy small studios, while Phil managed to buy most of his close partnership, to enhance Xbox 1st party.
Xbox one would have been different, if whoever in charge of those 2 gen, cared to expand about their 1st party studios.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
You act like buying a company the size of Bethesda is like getting a can of beans at the grocery store.
Kokoloko85
Member
No lol
Despiralman69
Member
Phils biggest problem right now is giving developers total freedom, hes doing what gabe did to valve after portal 2 released, it doesnt work, big don gabe himself said it didnt and some kind of management needs to be involved, but ill give phil the benefit of the doubt with covid and latest starfield rumours suggest the game is buggy af, not to sure on redfall
Bradamante3D
Member
Not sure what you mean? XBox is just a series of successes? Kinect 2.0 was great, Scalebound entertained millions, Crackdown 3 was amazing with it's cloud-based destruction, Halo series is doing great under Bonnie Ross's leadership, Quantum Break was a milestone for mixed entertainment genres, XBox is ruling Japan, HD DVDs were great, Red Ring of Death affected five people max, Dead Rising 4 was a banger, Fable Legends was sooooo good, Fallout 76 was #BestOnXBox, Todd Howard can now finally realize with visions with all that Microsoft cash ...
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kyliethicc
Member
Foilz
Banned
Phil did turn around the entire Xbox game division and Phil isn't the one designing ,programming, developing the games. He just runs the company. If the games aren't the quality y'all think they should be or if there are delays then take that up with the people who actually code them.
The problem is that having no games at console launch didn't matter, having Halo launch incomplete and prolonged didn't matter.
Phil told everyone their strategy doesn't rely on next gen (curren gen) consoles. Halo got good reviews even if player numbers dwindled everywhere else but xbox fans had that as their holiday game and the whales buy MTXs to keep 343 funded and not hurting financially.
So we may not like the fact that there were no next gen launch games or that Halo is a shell of a game but this doesn't matter to them operating. MS/xbox financially is doing OK. It's like EA, except MS has boot lickers here who distort reality and defend them no matter what. EA doesn't have that at least.
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N0S
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Foilz
Banned
Star field was in development before Xbox bought Bethesda so it being delayed isn't Phil's fault. The man isn't a developer, coder, animation specialist on the project. If star field is being delayed that's solely on the project lead and his team. The same goes for redfall. The devs failed at their job it's that simple. Xbox gamers wanted studios and Phil got the studios.
It's like when a GM goes out and gets the team this great new player , spends all the money in the world for this amazing athlete and then that athlete doesn't produce. This isn't the Gms fault. There has to be some personal responsibility place on the individual (devs). How could you honestly blame the head of the entire division for the developers who are solely I charge of the games not producing.
Granted With the amount of studios Xbox has there should be more games being shipped out
It's like when a GM goes out and gets the team this great new player , spends all the money in the world for this amazing athlete and then that athlete doesn't produce. This isn't the Gms fault. There has to be some personal responsibility place on the individual (devs). How could you honestly blame the head of the entire division for the developers who are solely I charge of the games not producing.
Granted With the amount of studios Xbox has there should be more games being shipped out
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Xbox gamers wanted studios? Some wierd xbox gamers then. Normal xbox gamers want games. which is why some are upset now, MS didn't deliver them.
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IndianaJack
Banned
David Jaffe needs therapy.
kingfey
Banned
Different systems. That is why it counts.
For example, Sony can get credit for god of war pc.
But those who bought the game on other console, it means nothing to them.
kingfey
Banned
That is the downside for this policy. If Xbox gets hands on the project, they will be blamed. If they left them alone, they will get blamed.
Most people would crucify phil spencer, if those 2 games werent delayed. It would be another cyberpunk277 disaster.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Game studios make games. Before the acquisition spree MS had few studios.
kingfey
Banned
???
Studios make games. MS/Xbox got the studios right now.
Xbox gamers saw the road map for those games, unlike Xbox one.
The only issue is that Covid made the situation bad. So anything that was supposed to be released this year, got delayed.
If starfield and redfall didnt get delayed, they would have gotten those 2 games.
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Guy walks into a bakery because he wants cake. The store says they don't have cake because they haven't baked any. Guy gets angry.
Some other guy walks in and says didn't you want the bakery to have more ovens? we have so many ovens.
Guy says, not really I wanted cake.
Some other guy walks in and says but ovens make cake.
Life from the eyes of an xbox fan.
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