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[Interficium]

We need a Destiny 2 bingo card...

- "Deadpool"
- "Borderlands"
- Still ultra-salty about preordering Destiny 1
- "Never again Bungie"
- "Serious sci-fi"
- "Dudebro" used randomly
- "10 year plan"
- Angry about that DLC already announced
- Angry about boxart and/or "2" font

They lied to me
I was burned by Destiny 1
Dinklebot
You can go to there
I don't get why anyone would be excited for this
Throw money at the screen
No time to explain jokes
I'll only buy if it's 60fps on console
Is there going to be a story this time
Is there going to be more than 30 minutes of content this time
"Hubris" or "Audacity" re: offering a $250 collector's edition they don't need to buy and clearly there is demand for

I would list "skinner box" but most of the people who kept barking up the "wake up destiny players brainwashed by bungie's skinner box!!" tree got banned in 2015.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Seriously thinking about main-ing a Hunter this time just because I like Cayde so much.

They need to flesh out Ikora some more now.

She seems bland now compared to Cayde and Zavala.

Agreed, I hope she gets some time to shine in the campaign.

I still stand by what I said earlier in the thread: Destiny 2 should have special story missions where you play as the NPCs. They could take place in the present or tell us more about their past.

Perhaps if you're playing as the Hunter, you can unlock one or two story missions for Cayde. Playing as your Titan, a story mission for Ikora. Hell, let us unlock a story mission where we play as Amanda and find out how she lost her leg. There's plenty of possibilities.

They wouldn't need to be crazy deep. It would give Bungie a chance to do some linear completely story-driven missions in the game. They would likely be single-player only and you would be given a specific set of weapons and armor.

I would adore that.

 

[ChazGW7]

I only played during Year One right before the first DLC Expansion dropped, but I had a blast with my friends on it before dropping off. I have very fond memories of a super fun game, from doing the first raid, heroic nightfall strikes, exotic hunting, the god damn LOOT CAVE. Good times.

Haven't played the game since, probably never will. I know the game has changed a lot since then, but despite that, I am very much looking forward to jumping into this Day 1 on PC with my friends all over again.

 

[weremichael]

For real though that boxart is booty.

3 leads are all humans.

No helmets.

Armor is generic as fuck, looks not even what would pass as legendary tier.

All wielding the most conventional firearms in the series. No one can hold a fusion rifle or a sword?

Does the warlock have a stubby beard though? Cause they promised facial hair in Destiny 2, right?

 

[wesleyshark]

This trailer really upped the snark on Cayde.

TKK upped the snark on Cayde. This is par for the course.

 

[Rymuth]

We need a Destiny 2 bingo card...

- "Deadpool"
- "Borderlands"
- Still ultra-salty about preordering Destiny 1
- "Never again Bungie"
- "Serious sci-fi"
- "Dudebro" used randomly
- "10 year plan"
- Angry about that DLC already announced
- Angry about boxart and/or "2" font

"Guardians of the Galaxy"

 

[Luq]

This trailer... did nothing for me.

Didn't get me excited at all, I cringed few times (especially while watching polish version - Gary is replaced there by "Geralt") and that's it.

Everything looked generic, overused "dank" Cayde-6 (I really like him, but cmon - you cant place him EVERYWHERE) got boring very fast...

I'll be playing Destiny 2 for sure - I loved first one - but if they stick with "just your casual cool dudes from neighborhood" archetype in a story, Im sure as hell I'll be skipping every single cutscene.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

TKK upped the snark on Cayde. This is par for the course.

It really isn't. The difference between Y1 Cayde, TTK Cayde and this trailer's Cayde is pretty apparent. I'm praying that the tone established here is just for marketing because I'm not a fan at all.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It really isn't. The difference between Y1 Cayde, TTK Cayde and this trailer's Cayde is pretty apparent.

It absolutely is par for the course. Yes, there is a difference between TTK Cayde and this trailer's Cayde. He is more vocal and clearly more excited. But it makes complete sense as an evolution of his character.

After three years of Cayde talking about how boring it is being at the Tower, he finally gets to be in on the action. He's excited about it and it shows.

 

[wesleyshark]

For real though that boxart is booty.

3 leads are all humans.

No helmets.

Armor is generic as fuck, looks not even what would pass as legendary tier.

All wielding the most conventional firearms in the series. No one can hold a fusion rifle or a sword?

At the onset of this game, we have been stripped of all of our guns and gear and powers. So, until we get out there and find new loot, we have to use whatever we can scrap in the short term.

They're also putting more focus on our characters being relatable, living people (helmets off on promo art is a small indicator of the larger goal).

The Awoken and Exo are still relevant and playable of course, but Destiny has always had a spotlight on humanity.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

It absolutely is par for the course. Yes, there is a difference between TTK Cayde and this trailer's Cayde. He is more vocal and clearly more excited. But it makes complete sense as an evolution of his character.

After three years of Cayde talking about how boring it is being at the Tower, he finally gets to be in on the action. He's excited about it and it shows.

He's getting progressively more annoying (imo) and that's pretty much all I care about. The personality they're rolling with for him now is extremely similar to Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2. There's no subtlety in the writing. I'm not writing off the game just yet as things might be different in the full release, and I have hope for that, but the tone set by the teaser and now this trailer is not what I wanted out of the sequel.

 

[ZeoVGM]

He's getting progressively more annoying (imo) and that's pretty much all I care about. The personality they're rolling with for him now is extremely similar to Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2. There's no subtlety in the writing. I'm not writing off the game just yet as things might be different in the full release, and I have hope for that, but the tone set by the teaser and now this trailer is not what I wanted out of the sequel.

To each their own. But Cayde isn't a subtle person so that's certainly purposeful.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

To each their own. But Cayde isn't a subtle person so that's certainly purposeful.

He's evolved into a blunt person over time, clearly. He wasn't always this way but Bungie kind of forced his character into the "comedic relief" role during TTK. I just don't like the juxtaposition of the dire straights humanity seems to be in and his attitude towards it. I think the effect of that is compounded because he's seemingly the only person who actually thinks all of this is a game (and this is going back to TTK too). Comedic relief is one thing but having a conversation with a steward bot about all of the pew-pewing (*sigh*) you've done in the middle of the fight is just ridiculous and out of place.

 

[ChazGW7]

People complain when the game takes itself lightly, people complain when the game takes itself seriously.

Ironically enough, this trailer tries to show both sides and people still complain. Amazing.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

People complain when the game takes itself lightly, people complain when the game takes itself seriously.

Ironically enough, this trailer tries to show both sides and people still complain. Amazing.

"People complain when I bake them a chocolate cake, people complain when I bake them a vanilla cake.

Ironically enough, I baked a chocolate and vanilla cake and people still complain. Amazing."

What happens if I detest chocolate? Am I supposed to like the entire cake now just because it has both?

 

[Tomeru]

For real though that boxart is booty.

3 leads are all humans.

No helmets.

Armor is generic as fuck, looks not even what would pass as legendary tier.

All wielding the most conventional firearms in the series. No one can hold a fusion rifle or a sword?

They are the live trailers actors. Still a shame that its not more representative of the game.

 

[katsubento]

"People complain when I bake them a chocolate cake, people complain when I bake them a vanilla cake.

Ironically enough, I baked a chocolate and vanilla cake and people still complain. Amazing."

What happens if I detest chocolate? Am I supposed to like the cake now just because it has both?

Don't eat the cake.

 

[JaffeLion]

any info on ps4 timed exclusive content?

 

[Hazardous Metal]

Don't eat the cake.

Or maybe just enjoy the parts that I can and still have an opinion on the things that I don't enjoy? You can do both. Hell, my entire time with Destiny was a love/hate relationship. I appreciated the core gameplay and detested the sandbox balance in PvP, to name just two things. People shouldn't be obligated to either enjoy something or fuck off if they don't like parts of it.

 

[ChazGW7]

"People complain when I bake them a chocolate cake, people complain when I bake them a vanilla cake.

Ironically enough, I baked a chocolate and vanilla cake and people still complain. Amazing."

What happens if I detest chocolate? Am I supposed to like the cake now just because it has both?

There are people on here saying they're gonna skip all the cutscenes if the game is a joke the whole time, as if this trailer conveys that kind of impression... It's so hyperbolic.

I'm not asking you to like the trailer, the point I'm making here is that Destiny can have its serious moments and its humorous moments, and there is nothing wrong with that. Plus your analogy makes it sound like you detest a little humour? Do you always focus on the negatives?

 

[Floody]

any info on ps4 timed exclusive content?

Just that it'll be a year long again, probably announce them at E3.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

It absolutely is par for the course. Yes, there is a difference between TTK Cayde and this trailer's Cayde. He is more vocal and clearly more excited. But it makes complete sense as an evolution of his character.

After three years of Cayde talking about how boring it is being at the Tower, he finally gets to be in on the action. He's excited about it and it shows.

Yay children are dying in fires, excitement! I should grab a drink. There is being goofy and then there is making his character whatever the hell that was.


Much prefer Cayde showing hints of humor instead of being a mememachine. Zavala meanwhile is horribly boring, which is what they're going for. I wish he had been killed off to get anyone more exciting than him.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Humor is subjective, but to me, Cayde is about 20% more zany than Han Solo or Mal Reynolds, and feels pretty similar in tone to how he was in TTK.

Handsome Jack references super-absurd things like diamond ponies, and Deadpool is a walking pop-culture referencing machine while hardcore breaking the 4th wall while looking directly at the camera. Fillion has been in a few James Gunn movies now, including Guardians, so at least that comparison makes sense.

Considering the Destiny universe is a place where characters hold dance parties after killing bosses, I'm not sure if Cayde is really outside the tone of the series.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

There are people on here saying they're gonna skip all the cutscenes if the game is a joke the whole time, as if this trailer conveys that kind of impression... It's so hyperbolic.

I'm not asking you to like the trailer, the point I'm making here is that Destiny can have its serious moments and its humorous moments, and there is nothing wrong with that. Plus your analogy makes it sound like you detest a little humour? Do you always focus on the negatives?

No, I don't. The proof of that is the hundreds of hours I put into Destiny 1. Are you trying to say that because I don't like their attempt at humor in these two trailers (and to a lesser extent TTKs humor) that I must not like humor in general? I don't think I need to point out why what you're saying is silly.

Consider the Destiny universe is a place where characters hold dance parties after killing bosses, I'm not sure if Cayde is really outside the tone of the series.

These aren't the same things at all. One is emergent humor created by players outside of the context of the lore, the other is official content from the developers portraying their character.

 

[Bold One]

Yay children are dying in fires, excitement! I should grab a drink.

Zavala has you covered on the greif of the situation and the serious tone. Why you people are latching on so damn hard to the Cayde bits is kind of funny in its own right.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Yay children are dying in fires, excitement! I should grab a drink.

Oh good lord.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Oh good lord.

It's like Cayde popped up in a Schindler's List trailer or something.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Zavala has you covered on the greif if the situation and the serious tone. Why you people are latching on so damn hard to the Cayde bits is kind of funny in its own right.

Because it shows just how hard they're trying. To be fair I didn't feel it on either front of being serious or fun.

Yeah I get what they were trying to do, but something like the Hope trailer from Reach would have been awesome.

Instead we got whatever that was.

Oh good lord.

Sorry I enjoy characters not being butchered.

He was so much more interesting when he wasn't a mememachine. Now he is just generic comic relief but that's just my opinion man.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

Zavala has you covered on the greif of the situation and the serious tone. Why you people are latching on so damn hard to the Cayde bits is kind of funny in its own right.

Because it's jarring and out of place?

 

[FingerBang]

To be honest, I'm happy if the game tries to take itself less seriously. The gameplay is as serious as this kind of games can get.

We loved Destiny 1 with pretty much no story and no good NPC, I think people complaining about this trailer just love to complain.

They could show us a bunch of guardians farting the main theme and I would still buy it on day one.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Because it shows just how hard they're trying.

They are treating him like the same exact character who was put into the situation he had literally been telling the player in the original Destiny he was dying to be in.

It makes complete sense.

He was so much more interesting when he wasn't a mememachine.

... What memes? I don't even know what you're talking about here.

Seriously, some of you guys are really nitpicking and trying to create something out of nothing here.

Because it's jarring and out of place?

It's meant to be jarring. That's the joke.

Zavalla is talking to the most upstanding Guardians. Cayde is talking to the riff raff, hence needing to mention loot to get them on board.

 

[Bold One]

Because it shows just how hard they're trying. To be fair I didn't feel it on either front of being serious or fun.

Yeah I get what they were trying to do, but something like the Hope trailer from Reach would have been awesome.

Instead we got whatever that was.

That's fine, none of the live Halo trailers did anything for me either.

I just think it's funny watching people like the fellow I quoted invoking 'dead children' and we must have crossed the 100 mark for Deadpool mentions by now.

 

[Floody]

If I was a pretty much immortal Robot with super powers, I probably wouldn't give two shits about feeble mortals either. Cayde is alright in my book.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

They are treating him like the same exact character who was put into the situation he had literally been telling the player in the original Destiny he was dying to be in.

It makes complete sense.



... What memes? I don't even know what you're talking about here.

Seriously, some of you guys are really nitpicking and trying to create something out of nothing here.

There is a stark difference between him wanting to be out in the fight and literally having a drink in a destroyed building while other people are fighting and he moans about not being able to finish his drink, which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do in D1.

Then again, Destiny's story is trash tier and the one character I actually liked becoming comedic relief just saddens me is all.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

These aren't the same things at all. One is emergent humor created by players outside of the context of the lore, the other is official content from the developers portraying their character.

Corpse-humping is "emergent humor outside the context of the lore", but the developer adding in the ability to "Super Soak" on the corpses of their super-serious bosses is very much a deliberate choice that makes the whole thing pretty damn absurd.

If you don't like it, that's completely fair, but the Destiny universe has a pretty good level of absurdity to it, and for some, Cayde fits in with that part.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

It's meant to be jarring. That's the joke.

Zavalla is talking to the most upstanding Guardians. Cayde is talking to the riff raff, hence needing to mention loot to get them on board.

If that's the joke then I hope they try a little bit harder (less hard? I'm not sure honestly) in the full release.

I think that Nolan North's Ghost humor is the perfect medium for Destiny. There's nuance. Cayde is so one note and low effort.

^ That's all he's ever come off as, post TTK.

 

[Gudji]

Does anyone know if completing the "Age of Triumph" book on D1 will bring benefits to D2? Thanks.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

Corpse-humping is "emergent humor outside the context of the lore", but the developer adding in the ability to "Super Soak" on the corpses of their super-serious bosses is very much a deliberate choice that makes the whole thing pretty damn absurd.

If you don't like it, that's completely fair, but the Destiny universe has a pretty good level of absurdity to it, and for some, Cayde fits in with that part.

I'd still consider that something the developers put in to enhance the player driven humor that exists outside of the context of the lore. When they start putting in Guardians dancing on the corpses of their enemies into cutscenes, then I can accept that as being a part of the lore/tone... but dear lord do I hope it never gets to that point.

 

[Noisepurge]

Because it's jarring and out of place?

have you played Destiny 1? All Cayde6 mission briefings are told as jokes and most of his chitchat too.

"Funny story: Remember that Centurion Oryx took right after you landed on the Dreadnaught, then the Centurion and the taken Ogre tried to stop you from killing the King? Heh... didn't work! So the Centurion's bond brothers are pretty angry they lost their commander. They're leading a team to blow up the Dreadnaught's core. Core goes... most of the system goes with it. You're going to make sure that doesn't happen."
—Cayde-6

 

[Fahzgoolin]

I don't know why people are surprised some of us don't like the trailer... Some of us don't find smarmy arrogant self inflated ego humor/banter funny.

I want to take the game seriously--not that I can't smile and have silly fun too. If the context and story for my actions are poorly explained or unsatisfying, then I can't help but be super uninterested.

 

[MrS]

To each their own. But Cayde isn't a subtle person so that's certainly purposeful.

Sorry, but Cayde's tone is markedly different from D1 and TTK. Go back and watch his cutscenes again if you think people are lying or being disingenuous. The evidence is incontrovertible.

He's super annoying now and it's off-putting to me.

 

[wesleyshark]

have you played Destiny 1? All Cayde6 mission briefings are told as jokes and most of his chitchat too.

"Funny story: Remember that Centurion Oryx took right after you landed on the Dreadnaught, then the Centurion and the taken Ogre tried to stop you from killing the King? Heh... didn't work! So the Centurion's bond brothers are pretty angry they lost their commander. They're leading a team to blow up the Dreadnaught's core. Core goes... most of the system goes with it. You're going to make sure that doesn't happen."
—Cayde-6

[grumbling] Give. Us. The. Primus. Or. We. Blow. The. Ship.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

have you played Destiny 1? All Cayde6 mission briefings are told as jokes and most of his chitchat too.

"Funny story: Remember that Centurion Oryx took right after you landed on the Dreadnaught, then the Centurion and the taken Ogre tried to stop you from killing the King? Heh... didn't work! So the Centurion's bond brothers are pretty angry they lost their commander. They're leading a team to blow up the Dreadnaught's core. Core goes... most of the system goes with it. You're going to make sure that doesn't happen."
—Cayde-6

I've already stated that I didn't care for his newfound humor in TTK forward compared to Year 1 Cayde. Even then, as another poster stated they dialed up his "personality" to 11 in these new trailers and I and many others find it jarring even in comparison to TTK Cayde.

Sorry, but Cayde's tone is markedly different from D1 and TTK. Go back and watch his cutscenes again if you think people are lying or being disingenuous. The evidence is incontrovertible.

He's super annoying now and it's off-putting to me.

No dude, we're just nitpicking and going out of our way to find things to complain about!!!111

 

[wesleyshark]

I like the dichotomy of having Zavala on the front lines near/on earth, prepping to lead the assault to take the city back, while Ikora and Cayde have ventured beyond Mars to lead Guardians to explore and discover secrets (and new loot). Perhaps rally whatever is left of the Awoken. Ally with one of the Fallen houses. Locate the Queen's Brother. Run into the Nine. Etc.

Just speculating here. But the potential is exciting.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

I like the dichotomy of having Zavala on the front lines near/on earth, prepping to lead the assault to take the city back, while Ikora and Cayde have ventured beyond Mars to lead Guardians to explore and discover secrets (and new loot). Perhaps rally whatever is left of the Awoken. Ally with one of the Fallen houses. Locate the Queen's Brother. Run into the Nine. Etc.

Just speculating here. But the potential is exciting.

All of this combined with the reports of a more open-world design in pertinence to outposts/strongholds... I'm just as excited.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Sorry, but Cayde's tone is markedly different from D1 and TTK. Go back and watch his cutscenes again if you think people are lying or being disingenuous. The evidence is incontrovertible.

This is the same Cayde from TTK but in a different environment where he is naturally going to act a bit more excited. You are incorrect on this.

I play Destiny literally every day so I don't need to go back and watch his cutscenes. I remember them well. I also remember the things he says in Tower and during strikes that absolutely fit with his attitude.

Like when he does an over-the-top whisper, begging the player to take him along.

Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVcS4NpHNY

That's been the game for a year and a half.

How in the world do you consider that markedly different?

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

The thing that got me worry is that Bungie has gotten the idea that personality = humor.... that characters have personality only when they're funny.

And it's not like I can fully blame them because it obviously works for this one character and the fanbase loves him.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

That wise-cracking robot reminds me of Deadpool = highly annoying.

 

[ChazGW7]

No, I don't. The proof of that is the hundreds of hours I put into Destiny 1. Are you trying to say that because I don't like their attempt at humor in these two trailers (and to a lesser extent TTKs humor) that I must not like humor in general? I don't think I need to point out why what you're saying is silly.

Ofcourse I'm not saying that, that would be silly. I'm just saying, writing off the trailer cause you don't like the humour for half of it just seems a little eh to me. My initial post wasn't directed at you and your criticism of Cayde, (I hardly saw him as I only played through Y1 so I don't have much of an opinion on him (maybe that's why the trailer doesn't bother me?))

Its more towards to people who are implying the game will be a joke because of this trailer, like some sort of Guardians of the BorderGalaxy type of game. Simply won't be the case.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

I'd still consider that something the developers put in to enhance the player driven humor that exists outside of the context of the lore. When they start putting in Guardians dancing on the corpses of their enemies into cutscenes, then I can accept that as being a part of the lore/tone... but dear lord do I hope it never gets to that point.

I'd agree if the developers hadn't set up a shop to buy dance moves in the middle of the Tower, that kinda kills the "outside the lore" justification. Then there are the various holidays celebrated within the game, one of which features you getting raisins from Eris Morin.

If Cayde is the only character like this, amongst all the other serious characters, I feel there is a place for him given some of the more absurd elements in the game. The moment he straps on a Sony Walkman and dances across the opening credits of Destiny 2, I'll be right there with you though.