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[Hazardous Metal]

This is the same Cayde from TTK but in a different environment where he is naturally going to act a bit more excited. You are incorrect on this.

I play Destiny literally every day so I don't need to go back and watch his cutscenes. I remember them well. I also remember the things he says in Tower and during strikes that absolutely fit with his attitude.

Like when he does an over-the-top whisper, begging the player to take him along.

Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVcS4NpHNY

That's been the game for a year and a half.

How in the world do you consider that markedly different?

At least in this example, the environment is way more fitting for this kind of humor. I think a big issue me and others have is not only how much more obnoxious the humor has become, but the scenario in which the humor takes place. Even then, your example is pretty tame and also more of an easter egg (hours can pass and you'll not hear this voice line in the Tower). I'd be much more receptive of his humor if it was done in a way like that instead of "LOL SHITS ASPLODING PEW PEW WHEEEE" as Guardians wage war for their lives around him.

 

[x Dredgen Yor x]

The thing that got me worry is that Bungie has gotten the idea that personality = humor.... that characters have personality only when they're funny.

And it's not like I can fully blame them because it obviously works for this one character and the fanbase loves him.

the fan base love Eris Moon too, who is the complete opposite, Her and Cyde together are great. Not to mention fanbase loves Variks too, who again, isn't a bag of laughs.

 

[Fried Food]

man that's a bad cover, like so bad

 

[Bold One]

Because it's jarring and out of place?

Y'know, I watched the trailer again and it's not jarring at all, he quips twice, the first time isn't even intentional, he legit can't remember the name of the main boss and second time it's a meta loot reference. Seriously, you lot are dipping and dapping and don't know what's happening.

Cayde is actually being serious about protecting what's left and fighting back, "if I don't see out there, *unsheathes blade* I'll kill you myself".

 

[BrettHeazy]

I'm guessing we don't know anything more about PC distribution, i.e standalone launcher from Bungie or via Steam?

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'd be much more receptive of his humor if it was done in a way like that instead of "LOL SHITS ASPLODING PEW PEW WHEEEE" as Guardians wage war for their lives around him.

Alright, I'm done going back and forth with you on this. You're turning something small into something it's not and exaggerating everything. So I'm just done with the argument.

Y'know, I watched the trailer again and it's not jarring at all, he quips twice, the first time isn't even intentional, he legit can't remember the name of the main boss and second time it's a meta loot reference. Seriously, you lot are dipping and dapping and don't know what's happening.

Cayde is actually being serious about protecting what's left and fighting back, "if I don't see out there, *unsheathes blade* I'll kill you myself".

Exactly.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

Ofcourse I'm not saying that, that would be silly. I'm just saying, writing off the trailer cause you don't like the humour for half of it just seems a little eh to me. My initial post wasn't directed at you and your criticism of Cayde, (I hardly saw him as I only played through Y1 so I don't have much of an opinion on him (maybe that's why the trailer doesn't bother me?))

Its more towards to people who are implying the game will be a joke because of this trailer, which simply won't be the case.

I agree with you that people writing off the full game because of these trailers is a bit premature and rash. I don't blame people for being apprehensive but I'm still going to be buying the game and enjoying it regardless.

Alright, I'm done going back and forth with you on this. You're turning something small into something it's not and exaggerating everything. So I'm just done with the argument.

If you feel that's best then I think that's a good call to make.

 

[Stripper13]

At least in this example, the environment is way more fitting for this kind of humor. I think a big issue me and others have is not only how much more obnoxious the humor has become, but the scenario in which the humor takes place. Even then, your example is pretty tame and also more of an easter egg (hours can pass and you'll not hear this voice line in the Tower). I'd be much more receptive of his humor if it was done in a way like that instead of "LOL SHITS ASPLODING PEW PEW WHEEEE" as Guardians wage war for their lives around him.

Might be time to lighten up.

I thought the trailer was pretty good. I'm happy they're using more Cayde and less generic 'darkness is approaching' style lines that were used in the D1 trailers/expansions etc. They became very boring over time.

Comedy is a hard thing to nail. I'd say that lines like Gaaary etc were pretty good though. Worth a smirk.

 

[Mockerre]

It's like Cayde popped up in a Schindler's List trailer or something.

Actually, this is a pretty sound analogy.

Last bastion of humanity has fallen.
Your god-protector is burning.
People - women and children - are dying.
Your brothers in arms are dying.
You just lost your home, your planet.

Yay, let's talk about pew pewing and all the shiny loot!

There's tone deaf and then there's the D2 trailer.


Cringe.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

At least in this example, the environment is way more fitting for this kind of humor. I think a big issue me and others have is not only how much more obnoxious the humor has become, but the scenario in which the humor takes place. Even then, your example is pretty tame and also more of an easter egg (hours can pass and you'll not hear this voice line in the Tower). I'd be much more receptive of his humor if it was done in a way like that instead of "LOL SHITS ASPLODING PEW PEW WHEEEE" as Guardians wage war for their lives around him.

Exactly.

Cayde having a line here or there or an easter egg in the tower is neat. Not too in your face, just something subtle.
The teaser and trailer were anything but subtle because tonally it is much more extreme than hijacking an intercom.

I'll admit I cracked a smile here and there but it was in a cringe sort of way kin to Borderlands 2.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

Might be time to lighten up.

I thought the trailer was pretty good. I'm happy they're using more Cayde and less generic 'darkness is approaching' style lines that were used in the D1 trailers/expansions etc. They became very boring over time.

Comedy is a hard thing to nail. I'd say that lines like Gaaary etc were pretty good though. Worth a smirk.

I don't like the tone established, therefore I need to "lighten up"? Please.

I agree with you that the grim dark "Darkness is coming..." stuff can be boring if that's the only thing that exists, which is why I'm not advocating for just that (something you'd know if you were to read my previous posts on the matter). I'm fine with humor in Destiny, I just want it to be done in a different way. More Ghost, less Cayde. Is that so hard to accept?

 

[ZeoVGM]

Actually, this is a pretty sound analogy.

Last bastion of humanity has fallen.
Your god-protector is burning.
People - women and children - are dying.
Your brothers in arms are dying.
You just lost your home, your planet.

Yay, let's talk about pew pewing and all the shiny loot!

There's tone deaf and then there's the D2 trailer.

So tone deaf it's been very well received outside of a group of unhappy people on GAF.

Bungie clearly has no idea how to market this!

Oy.

 

[ValeYard]

So far, the art, the font (I'm into fonts, ok!), the trailer, and not to mention the bag, aren't doing it for me. Glad some people are hyped though.

Destiny 1 took so much of my time on the loot train, that the call for loot is the last thing to get me back. If the story doesn't go to space and is all about defending Earth, I'm not sure I'll get Destiny 2.

So, I'll likely see you all in the Beta when I cave and preorder digitally in a few months.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

the fan base love Eris Moon too, who is the complete opposite, Her and Cyde together are great. Not to mention fanbase loves Variks too, who again, isn't a bag of laughs.

Yeah but you see comments all the time about "Cayde is the best character in the game! He is the only one with personality!"

And Bungie would see that too, and they would take that feedback.

 

[mcrommert]

If you needed any indication that Marty was right about Activision messing with the marketing it would be this trailer. Has the feel of something focus tested to death and robbed of any of the feel of destiny.

 

[Carn82]

Man, I hope we see Variks in D2. KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED!!

 

[phen0m24]

Man, I hope we see Variks in D2. KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED!!

I can get behind that.

"Come here that I may have your sssscent.."

"Where did you leave your shiiiiip?"

Variks is great

 

[120v]

didn't particularly care for the trailer but the epic save the universe pitch is beyond hackneyed at this point, people play Destiny for "fun" and loot... it was probably the best way to go about it

 

[Foxxsoxx]

If you needed any indication that Marty was right about Activision messing with the marketing it would be this trailer. Has the feel of something focus tested to death and robbed of any of the feel of destiny.

Pretty much lol.

As long as the game isn't some meta simulator I'll be cool with it.

Destiny has amazing lore, and it'd be a damn shame if they didn't tap into it because it's easier to make it about pewpews.

 

[ZeoVGM]

If you needed any indication that Marty was right about Activision messing with the marketing it would be this trailer. Has the feel of something focus tested to death and robbed of any of the feel of destiny.

Feels perfectly like Destiny to me so I don't get that indication at all.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

For real though that boxart is booty.

3 leads are all humans.

No helmets.

Armor is generic as fuck, looks not even what would pass as legendary tier.

All wielding the most conventional firearms in the series. No one can hold a fusion rifle or a sword?

It's deliberately bland, like every other time GAF complains about a box. It turns out that hardcore gamers already know what's in the box, so making something pretty for us is also pointless. This is the kind of stuff that attracts more casual players who are playing whatever new FPS is out, thus this pulls in more sales.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

So tone deaf it's been very well received outside of a group of unhappy people on GAF.

Bungie clearly has no idea how to market this!

Oy.

How does it being well received by consumers change the fact that Cayde's humor is completely tone deaf to the scenario he is in? That's what the poster you responded to was talking about, clearly.

 

[Bold One]

Actually, this is a pretty sound analogy.

Last bastion of humanity has fallen.
Your god-protector is burning.
People - women and children - are dying.
Your brothers in arms are dying.
You just lost your home, your planet.

Yay, let's talk about pew pewing and all the shiny loot!

There's tone deaf and then there's the D2 trailer.


Cringe.

Jesus FUCKING Christ...

This shit is getting beyond embarrassing.

 

[wesleyshark]

Man, I hope we see Variks in D2. KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED!!

It would be criminal to not bring Variks back, yessssss

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Feels perfectly like Destiny to me so I don't get that indication at all.

He means what Destiny was going to be, before it became chopped up before launch.

People working on the game wanted it to go in 2 different directions, which is a part of why Marty left, along with others.

Marty wanted it to be a beautiful space epic.

Then the rewrite happened and here we are. I also just realized the music probably won't be nearly as good... Hopefully I'm wrong, D1 had amazing soundtracks.

 

[x Dredgen Yor x]

How does it being well received by consumers change the fact that Cayde's humor is completely tone deaf to the scenario he is in? That's what the poster you responded to was talking about, clearly.

people seem to be missing that bungie knows that what cyde doing/saying is at odds with the situation... that's kind of how humor works & at the end of the trailer we are all in on the joke. This is a GAME and we all know it.

Destiny was a po faced serious game, it changed, for the better. It's not as wacky as to be Borderlands, but it's not so po-faced as to be dull. It has a nice balance. Destiny is not defined by 1 character.

 

[phen0m24]

It would be criminal to not bring Variks back, yessssss

My fireteam puts the sucks, in sucesss..

Hehe it was always fun saying that before PoE

 

[ZeoVGM]

How does it being well received by consumers change the fact that Cayde's humor is completely tone deaf to the scenario he is in? That's what the poster you responded to was talking about, clearly.

He was "clearly" talking about the trailer itself actually. Like, he literally said "there's tone deaf and there's the D2 trailer."

And I was replying to that.

 

[Mockerre]

Jesus FUCKING Christ...

This shit is getting beyond embarrassing.

I KNOW ! And still they released that trailer ;D

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Actually, this is a pretty sound analogy.

Last bastion of humanity has fallen.
Your god-protector is burning.
People - women and children - are dying.
Your brothers in arms are dying.
You just lost your home, your planet.

Yay, let's talk about pew pewing and all the shiny loot!

There's tone deaf and then there's the D2 trailer.

Cringe.

(1) First off, I want to just say any serious comparison between a videogame and the Holocaust was not intended, and I never thought someone would think it was.

(2) I'm not sure how tone deaf this trailer can be in a universe where Ghosts resurrect Guardians 400 times a day, and then everyone does the "Carlton Dance" on the bosses corpse after.

(3) All this talk of children dying... have we seen a child in Destiny yet? How do we know they weren't evacuated?

(4) This really is NeoGaf.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

people seem to be missing that bungie knows that what cyde doing/saying is at odds with the situation... that's kind of how humor works & at the end of the trailer we are all in on the joke. This is a GAME and we all know it.

Destiny was a po faced serious game, it changed, for the better. It's not as wacky as to be Borderlands, but it's not so po-faced as to be dull. It has a nice balance. Destiny is not defined by 1 character.

The difference is that it wasn't a bad game because it was serious.

It was bad because it had some bad writing and was clearly incomplete and stitched together at launch.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

He was "clearly" talking about the trailer itself actually. Like, he literally said "there's tone deaf and there's the D2 trailer."

And I was replying to that.

That's... what I said? The content of the trailer (Cayde's humor and the context he's in) being tone deaf. What?

 

[SeanR1221]

So tone deaf it's been very well received outside of a group of unhappy people on GAF.

Bungie clearly has no idea how to market this!

Oy.

Has it? I'm listening to the Beastcast now and they're saying the exact same thing about the tone.

It's very possible to be excited for Destiny 2 while simultaneously thinking this trailer was gutter trash.

 

[Bold One]

I KNOW ! And still they released that trailer ;D

Keep invoking the dead children to really drive home your points ;D

 

[Stripper13]

I don't like the tone established, therefore I need to "lighten up"? Please.

I agree with you that the grim dark "Darkness is coming..." stuff can be boring if that's the only thing that exists, which is why I'm not advocating for just that (something you'd know if you were to read my previous posts on the matter). I'm fine with humor in Destiny, I just want it to be done in a different way. More Ghost, less Cayde. Is that so hard to accept?

I suspect the next 4 months of marketing are going to be tough on you. It's just a videogame trailer, no kids were actually hurt.

 

[x Dredgen Yor x]

The difference is that it wasn't a bad game because it was serious.

It was bad because it had some bad writing and was clearly incomplete and stitched together at launch.

Right, so the people on the game should play to their strengths, we can all mourn the game that might have been, but let's enjoy what we have shall we?


We shouldn't do is demand a bunch of dev's make a game they don't want to make, hey it's not for you anymore? Move on, It's not like Destiny is a community that is dying (like HALO). I'll echo what others are saying, this is the tone and style that was established in THE TAKEN KING and people went nuts for it. Mass Effect is right over there.... oh wait.

 

[Mockerre]

(1) First off, I want to just say any serious comparison between a videogame and the Holocaust was not intended, and I never thought someone would think it was.

(2) I'm not sure how tone deaf this trailer can be in a universe where Ghosts resurrect Guardians 400 times a day, and then everyone does the "Carlton Dance" on the bosses corpse after.

(3) All this talk of children dying... have we seen a child in Destiny yet? How do we know they weren't evacuated?

(4) This really is NeoGaf.

Analogy was to the movie, not the Holocaust, obviously.

And tone deaf is tone deaf, it just doesn't know what it wants to be and doesn't respect it's own worldbuilding. This is the same game universe where you have the story of Oryx and his people and then you have this. It's clearly 'anything goes' a'la Borderlands.

Keep invoking the dead children to really drive home your points ;D

Would someone think of the children?! ;D

 

[The Salt Life]

Actually, this is a pretty sound analogy.

Last bastion of humanity has fallen.
Your god-protector is burning.
People - women and children - are dying.
Your brothers in arms are dying.
You just lost your home, your planet.

Yay, let's talk about pew pewing and all the shiny loot!

There's tone deaf and then there's the D2 trailer.


Cringe.

It......Caters.....To both.....Audiences

How many more times does that have to be said. The problem is, the trailer was made for people who didn't dip out on Destiny, the people who stuck around get it. It's not made for people who in the last 3 years were saying

"People still play this game?"
"I'll never be burned by bungie again"
"Game has no story"
Etc etc

The drive by posters, that was not made for you. The E3 trailer will be pointed at everyone more likely.

 

[Hazardous Metal]

I suspect the next 4 months of marketing are going to be tough on you. It's just a videogame trailer, no kids were actually hurt.

If the marketing campaign will continue to go in this direction, then yes I will have to suffer through it and hope for the best come release. Hopefully that isn't the case but only time will tell.

The bold... dude, come on. If that's your reaction to someone trying to open a dialogue with you about something you both disagree on then that's pretty unfortunate.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Right, so the people on the game should play to their strengths, we can all mourn the game that might have been, but let's enjoy what we have shall we?


We shouldn't do is demand a bunch of dev's make a game they don't want to make, hey it's not for you anymore? Move on, It's not like Destiny is a community that is dying (like HALO). I'll echo what others are saying, this is the tone and style that was established in THE TAKEN KING and people went nuts for it. Mass Effect is right over there.... oh wait.

Bungie can do whatever they want. I'm just giving my opinion. If they go that route that's their thing. I can still be disappointed if they do.

I didn't like the trailer, that's it man.

Oh and Mass Effect and Halo being serious isn't the reason they're not doing well, but sure you can pretend that is the reason.

 

[Hesemonni]

Fantasy characters acting fantastic. w00t

 

[deafmedal]

My fireteam puts the sucks, in sucesss..

Hehe it was always fun saying that before PoE

*facepalm*

Are you professional or not?!

 

[Mockerre]

It......Caters.....To both.....Audiences

How many more times does that have to be said. The problem is, the trailer was made for people who didn't dip out on Destiny, the people who stuck around get it. It's not made for people who in the last 3 years were saying

"People still play this game?"
"I'll never be burned by bungie again"
"Game has no story"
Etc etc

The drive by posters, that was not made for you. The E3 trailer will be pointed at everyone more likely.

It clearly doesn't. It's not how storytelling works.

And I never commented ob the gameplay. I like the gameplay in D1, it's great.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Has it? I'm listening to the Beastcast now and they're saying the exact same thing about the tone.

Yeah, it has. A random podcast and a small but vocal group of people on NeoGAF does not reflect how the general public feels about the trailer.

If you had an issue with the tone of the trailer, that's fine. But you are in the minority. It's great marketing for the game.

 

[Stripper13]

If the marketing campaign will continue to go in this direction, then yes I will have to suffer through it and hope for the best come release. Hopefully that isn't the case but only time will tell.

The bold... dude, come on. If that's your reaction to someone trying to open a dialogue with you about something you both disagree on then that's pretty unfortunate.

I'm just poking fun. I just think it's all being taken rather seriously. Cayde is the comic relief regardless of how you perceived him in D1.

They've dialled it up for D2. More Cayde is good.

 

[SeanR1221]

Yeah, it has. A random podcast and a small but vocal group of people on NeoGAF does not reflect how the general public feels about the trailer.

If you had an issue with the tone of the trailer, that's fine. But you are in the minority. It's great marketing for the game.

Gamers am I right 🤷🏻*♂️

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Yeah, it has. A random podcast and a small but vocal group of people on NeoGAF does not reflect how the general public feels about the trailer.

If you had an issue with the tone of the trailer, that's fine. But you are in the minority. It's great marketing for the game.

Dude that video would have 3m views if it was a picture of Luke Smith giving a thumbs up.

People like Destiny, it's one of the biggest games in the world, of course it has positive feedback and hype.

 

[kiguel182]

I'm really curious if they changed engines for this. The old engine was hell to produce content with and if they keep it they should've just made a big ass expansion like TTK or something.

If they can create more content at a faster pace then this will be something awesome, especially when it's the team behind TTK doing it.

I hope they dive into that. I'm incredibly curious about this.

 

[x Dredgen Yor x]

Quick question: Do you think people are expecting a vast visual upgrade on Destiny 1?

If it does look the sam; I think Bungie could/will face a backlash; seem's like they should be setting some expectations...

The fact that they are not leads me to believe we could be looking at a substantiate visual upgrade.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Quick question: Do you think people are expecting a vast visual upgrade on Destiny 1?

If it does look the sam; I think Bungie could/will face a backlash; seem's like they should be setting some expectations...

The fact that they are not leads me to believe we could be looking at a substantiate visual upgrade.

I doubt it'll be a huge visual jump. Likely better animations but I'm not expecting huge strides, D1 already looks great.

Definitely expect much larger environments though, that's the biggest flaw of D1.