Most states also have a base sales tax and a state tax, so Americans for the majority don't actually pay $700 and call it a day. They pay another 5-13.5% tax on top of the price. Just like in Canada where it varies by province (Alberta pays like 5% vs Nova Scotia who pays 15%), the US varies by states as well.
Agree to disagree. Sony had to make what no other console manufacturer has done so far and put the R&D to have IA reconstruction in consoles without nVidia. If you compare with the gap in price an nVidia card has over its equivalent in raster with AMD the difference is larger, but nVidia is the market leader and Sony has to make up for that investment in about 10 million units. Then the 2TB and a ~650€ console is completely reasonable. The drive is priced unreasonable but that’s still -720€ with drive. Not 950€. And with wages far superior than in the old continent. To me USA is a hell hole where I wouldn’t spend the rest of my life in, but complaining about the price of technology there is like complaining about healthcare here.
No doubt that it is much higher. I'm saying it's not as high as the flat 22% would lead you to believe. People often incorrectly assume that Americans and Canadians pay the listed price. We don't.
I didn't say all, i said most, Hogwarts did better on consoles for example, while Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, BG3, Wukong, Helldivers or Palworld did better on PC, stuff like Fifa also sells better on console for example, talking about the huge sellers.
The games being cheaper over time also often means that PC sales are spread out over a longer period of time. Sure, the publishers make less money per copy, but it’s offset by them selling more copies anyway when the games become older.
That and that pic also is showing 20gb of ram.
All we have for Elden Ring is: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/elden...ip-since-the-division-european-monthly-charts
Nothing wrong with going after companies, Alex never said developers. He just said get angry on Twitter.
There are plenty of PC gamers that simply don’t enjoy gaming on consoles, and vice versa as well. Sure for those that play on consoles and PC the Pro can be useful, but I highly doubt that is anywhere near a majority.
He never even said the word developer. He said get angry on twitter, that’s it. Then swiftly retracted it in his very next sentence. Yeah it’s probably not the best word to use but you’re clearly trying to twist this to be way worse then it is.
I never said piracy does not exist, obviously it does. I’m just stating that it doesn’t really have a major impact on sales. For various reasons that have been discussed about piracy extensively.
Yes, PC can get cheap games. These are from key resellers and most gamers actually buy from Steam directly, where pricing mostly aligns with console storefronts. You can also get games for cheap on console or are we pretending the second hand market doesn’t exist? Or that physical games have less profit for the developer and publisher vs pure digital?
Ah, so you complete ignore my statement about Capcom and Activision stating PC is their biggest market? As for Metaphor sales we’re at 1 million sold when the Steam CCU peaked at 85k, it’s not hard to figure out that the Steam sales were making up a major slice of the total sales.
We saved their asses, then closed Liverpool, Evolution and London. And now they spit us in our face with this price. I wish Europe switches to Xbox.
I mean, isn’t this a two-way street? Console gamers also love talking about reselling their physical copies which hasn’t been a thing on PC for decades. The used market completely cuts off the publisher from the money. Only the retailer profits and if it's customer-to-customer, it's basically a lost sale for the publisher. You also must account for the fact that physical copies need to cut in the retailer as well, further diminishing the money that the publisher makes from every copy sold.
Or you could just download the drivers from the NVIDIA website...
Yeah, but he's speaking about the desktop utility, so I'm just addressing that. Plus Nvidia intends to sunset Geforce Experience at the beginning of 2025 and eventually the Nvidia control panel all into the new Nvidia App (which is a huge improvement already), so its better people get use to it now.
I manually download and install my drivers. And make clean installs as well since sometimes not uninstalling gives problems. But I’m not the one defending PC as a comfy couch experience for casuals.
Considering Steam has something like 130M active users, I'd say casuals are fine for the most part. Is it as easy as with consoles? Of course, not. However, the majority of PC gamers are casuals with modest rigs and parts. The fact that there are so many of them and that the numbers over the past decade have exploded tell you it's really not that hard to game on PC.
But it’s harder than in consoles.
Okay, but who are you telling this to? You posted that tweet of that dude purported to be a Civ dev (doesn't look like he is) making a dumb comment and now you go "bu but it's easier to game on consoles". So what? Who are you addressing exactly?
Well, everybody is posting random PC facts in PS5Pro threads. I wanted to be popular too.
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Yes people can act crazily, but they are hardly the majority nor should someone be held accountable for targeted harassment if they were to say get angry on Twitter about a poor product, which they then immediately clarify in the very next sentence.
For one, I don't believe it's that high. For two, that's still a huge 30% and that's not insignificant.
You still have at least 30% physical sales and that cut to the retailer. Neither of us can measure the exact impact, so you can't just quote this and act like PC games being cheaper on average for the long term completely offsets this and leads to publishers losing more money, especially when that lower average per copy is often countered by a higher volume over time.
Stuttering is the single biggest problems. Arguably THE problem. Let's review the bad PC ports lately:
Shader compilation isn't something unique to Unreal my guy. It has been a thing for decades. Not every UE game stutters and likewise, not every non-UE game is stutter-free. The point I'm making is that other devs also have to deal with PSO caching but they do it properly. When you see that little thing of shaders compiling on PC, but you still end up with a stuttering game, it means that not every PSO has been cached and they compile in real time. The guys at Jetpack could have had the same problem but they said:
Bit of a strawman when I said nothing of piracy, and said Day 1 money to fund AAA games, I didn't say money isn't made on PC.
- appreciate that it goes with the territory and that it is easier to beta test on PC with released products knowing who bought your product, what hardware they have and what problems than a catch all attempt with zero sales, and still have the likelihood of lots of support complaints. IMHO it is a fair balance against the platform's other advantages and more along with gaming's maxim of you can have any two of three.
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The piracy point was more of a generalization addressing the other poster in the same post. I also disagree about the money to fund AAA games on Day 1. Look at the sales of games like BG3, Elden Ring, Palworld, or Cyberpunk on PC Day 1.
This is perfectly understandable. I'm not expecting PC games to be as well optimized as console games. Consoles have a huge advantage on that front. All I ask is games that don't stutter like hell. Surely, this is feasible and doesn't require millions of dollars in QA, does it?And the question is one where PC gamers - like I have been primarily in the past up until Steam and HL2
The gap in Asia is much bigger than in Europe for PC so i wouldn't take it into account, like around over 300.000 steam reviews of the game are from there.
We have absolutely no data on piracy. It's basically impossible to count the money lost due to it, so I have no idea why you bring this up.
Your point is that publishers make the smartest financial decisions? Yeah, I can't agree with you there. Jedi Survivor for instance had major issues on Steam and years after launch, the game was still plagued by performance issues. Wouldn't it have been smarter to invest in the proper QA to ensure it launched properly? Same for Cyberpunk that got delisted and lost millions because again, they rushed the game. You're postulating that they all take the best avenues to maximize profits and that's untrue.
And FF XVI sucks on PlayStation too. Most games outside of UE5 are adequate on PC. Are they perfect? Far form that, but the argument I'm making is that they don't need to invest millions into optimizing them to get console-like efficiency. All they have to do is get rid of the stutters in UE5 games and you would barely hear about bad PC ports anymore.
Someone doesn't know what a strawman is. You're proving my point. Here is what you said earlier:
Which is offset by the fact that they were a team of 4 dudes.
Did they? Because again, that's a tiny team and a lot of their time was spent porting the game to DX12 from scratch, something multiplat devs don't have to deal with. Not to mention that multiplat devs start development for the PC build very early on. They don't wait until the last 2 years and assign four guys and tell them go to work. If anything, the GOWR example proves that with proper care, a relatively small team can get rid of this problem. I also like how you conveniently ignored Hellblade 2, but I guess this wouldn't help your cause, would it?
Impossible not to cherry pick as there's no data for everything, but if you find some game that does better in PC than in PS in Europe but better on PS than PC in USA that might make me think we could be wrong on that USA leans more to PC than Europe.
