DeepEnigma
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Seems to be doing more than just simple sharpening. I want to see more!Btw, I'm not sure if this was posted. It's from the longer DF video which was taken down temporary.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5 Pro Review: The Digital Foundry Verdict
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mansoor1980
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someone should run the matrix UE5 demo on the ps5pro
sncvsrtoip
Member
Sad that probably pd will remove it forcing in quality mode rt
About results, 30% is very underwhelming, hope in boost mode not all potential is used. Pssr in 864p is rather letdown but it was almost certain that internal res below 1080p is too low.
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Seomel
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because it uses dynamic res which goes higher
Can't wait for PSSR ML to mature more. Maybe it will take one more year to finally see its full potential once the PSSR ML begins to learn more and receive more updates. Can't wait for GTA6 and Monster hunter Wild and even Wolverine for next year. Hopefully I get my ps5 pro next year if I get an extra budget.
It all depends game to game. The sooner the pro get into the hand of the people the better. DF cant test all these 70 games. Most improvement will be substantially and a few will be less noticeable.
Stellar Blade looks superb and better than the native 4k version and running at 80fps. dragon dogma also fall into this category beside the issue with RT when swinging. dragon Age look substantially sharper but issue with flickering? We need to see longer video on this.
Stellar Blade looks superb and better than the native 4k version and running at 80fps. dragon dogma also fall into this category beside the issue with RT when swinging. dragon Age look substantially sharper but issue with flickering? We need to see longer video on this.
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Putonahappyface
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Has anyone played Space Marines 2 yet? How does it run unpatched?
Has Sony hoodwinked us?
So many questions.
Has Sony hoodwinked us?
So many questions.
Interesting. This might be the case.
Seomel
Member
Oliver mentioned this. Ill try myself anyway tomorrow
Wolfpact1983
Member
Woah that looks bad, lol.
Lagspike_exe
Member
I need BG3 Pro patch review. They only showed Act 3.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
All that's important to hear.
Basically, it's a worthwhile upgrade for enthusiast buying a Pro.
Seomel
Member
Hopefully baldurs gate pro patch delivers and cdpr also do their thingCPU limit:
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because the rest of the game mostly has no problem remaining at 60fps.
skyfinch
Member
60fps is overrated. Life rarely runs at 32fps so all the extra frames are a waste of Ray tracing power.
Seomel
Member
Not that minimal when pssr is used correctly, also dont forget fps improvements. Do t know how some people miss obvious things when they just look at 1000px image with zoomed in trees side by side
Putonahappyface
Member
I'll happily live with 40fps with all the bells and whistles on.
Lagspike_exe
Member
The IQ is the key issue. The performance mode looked terrible.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting things to change.
Cerny made the same exact error with the ps4 pro and now he’s seeing the same results with the same approach. So dumb.
Sony PlayStation 5 Pro review: across the board improvements, but is it worth the money?
The PlayStation 5 Pro is here - and Digital Foundry presents its verdict.
www.eurogamer.net
The Pro offers a lot of extra features while at the same time hinting at the make-up of future console architectures. The idea of using more silicon for more GPU performance will never go away, but the rough doubling of GPU power moving from PS4 to PS4 Pro to PS5 simply isn't an option for console manufacturers any more. Instead, expect to see machine learning make up the difference, working in tandem with fixed function hardware - improved RT support, for example. Based on the titles we've played so far with Pro support, that combination works well, and thus far, I do think that PS5 Pro does a much better job in enhancing current generation games than PS4 Pro did back in 2016.
But with that said, the price point is very high - that cannot be ignored. And the question is really whether the upgrade is right for you. In its marketing, Sony has laid out how the new console can improve existing games, but it's also gone out of its way not to say that there's actually anything wrong with the standard model. Quite right too. The truth is, the standard PS5 is still the best choice for most people - but for the core enthusiast looking for the best possible experience, the Pro option is there for you, albeit with a substantial premium.
Radical_3d
Member
Some people here are tripping balls with the 65% increase. Achieving 35% with just a 28% bandwidth increase is fantastic.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Radical_3d
Member
Hence the ML. It's not a machine for boost mode but for the next 3 years of games (and a few old hits).
What I understood from 4 pages of discussion and a video...
1) There will still be no stable FPS
2) Works on average 25-30% better, but not always
3) The picture looks sharper
4) It will not cure the problem of the lack of desire to optimize games from developers
5) But they will ask you for 800 USD for this
Honestly, I think you can forget about 60 FPS in GTA right away, in the best case it will be a mode 60 in 1080p, judging by everything. As expected, poorly written games continue to work poorly, so those who hope that Monster Hunter will work better, yes it will, but it will be clumsy just like PC now (And this is if you are lucky and they will finish at least something before the release, although after DD2 there is no special faith in this).
For now I see it purely as a device for enthusiasts, a very controversial update, for a very high price considering the fact that there are already problems in games that came out a year ago (Although this is of course the fault of the developers). But in general, the history of the PC is most likely repeating itself here, yes, new hardware came out, yes, it is more powerful, but the developers do not want to optimize the games.
To be honest, I no longer see how to fix the current situation, unless we directly oblige the developers to adhere to certain performance standards. Let's say if they wrote 60 fps, 1080 fps, please give it, if not, the game is removed from sale. But the howl will be terrible, so this will never happen =)
1) There will still be no stable FPS
2) Works on average 25-30% better, but not always
3) The picture looks sharper
4) It will not cure the problem of the lack of desire to optimize games from developers
5) But they will ask you for 800 USD for this
Honestly, I think you can forget about 60 FPS in GTA right away, in the best case it will be a mode 60 in 1080p, judging by everything. As expected, poorly written games continue to work poorly, so those who hope that Monster Hunter will work better, yes it will, but it will be clumsy just like PC now (And this is if you are lucky and they will finish at least something before the release, although after DD2 there is no special faith in this).
For now I see it purely as a device for enthusiasts, a very controversial update, for a very high price considering the fact that there are already problems in games that came out a year ago (Although this is of course the fault of the developers). But in general, the history of the PC is most likely repeating itself here, yes, new hardware came out, yes, it is more powerful, but the developers do not want to optimize the games.
To be honest, I no longer see how to fix the current situation, unless we directly oblige the developers to adhere to certain performance standards. Let's say if they wrote 60 fps, 1080 fps, please give it, if not, the game is removed from sale. But the howl will be terrible, so this will never happen =)
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Tiago Rodrigues
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Neogaf in shambles right now, after months saying PS4 Pro was much more needed than PS5 Pro lmao.Sony PlayStation 5 Pro review: across the board improvements, but is it worth the money?
The PlayStation 5 Pro is here - and Digital Foundry presents its verdict.
The Pro offers a lot of extra features while at the same time hinting at the make-up of future console architectures. The idea of using more silicon for more GPU performance will never go away, but the rough doubling of GPU power moving from PS4 to PS4 Pro to PS5 simply isn't an option for console manufacturers any more. Instead, expect to see machine learning make up the difference, working in tandem with fixed function hardware - improved RT support, for example. Based on the titles we've played so far with Pro support, that combination works well, and thus far, I do think that PS5 Pro does a much better job in enhancing current generation games than PS4 Pro did back in 2016.
But with that said, the price point is very high - that cannot be ignored. And the question is really whether the upgrade is right for you. In its marketing, Sony has laid out how the new console can improve existing games, but it's also gone out of its way not to say that there's actually anything wrong with the standard model. Quite right too. The truth is, the standard PS5 is still the best choice for most people - but for the core enthusiast looking for the best possible experience, the Pro option is there for you, albeit with a substantial premium.
The way people undermine AI when it's literally the begining of something huge. Much more important than a console that could give you 4k native output (and in most cases it couldn't...speaking of the PS4 Pro)
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winjer
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That's what I said when the first rumours appeared.
Even something as small as 32MB of L3, could help reduce vram accesses by around 35%.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Good that the 5060 runs without a CPU, mainboard, ram, power supply and you don't need a case.
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DanielG165
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This is the only point that I disagree with you about, but the rest is spot on. I feel as though RT is definitely a transformative feature set to have in your game, especially when implemented well. Games like Control, Cyberpunk, Outlaws, and Alan Wake 2 benefit greatly from ray tracing and almost look bare or incomplete without it. AMD just aren’t nearly as good at it as Nvidia are, currently.
Once consoles are a lot more RT capable, it’ll be even more adopted and utilized in future games.
That is plain shitty imo
I can run Elden ring on a 4070 locked 60fps easily with the same settings (some even higher because pc has higher setting). Hell i can run elden ring at 40fps on s steam deck
Also as expected the ps5pro is totally unbalanced and games such as BG3 are barely improved. Again runs over 80-90fps on my mid range cpu
Desprado123
Member
I think the real launch is PSSR not the PS5 Pro.
PS5 Pro is just a smoke screen and the real king is PSSR.
PS5 Pro is just a smoke screen and the real king is PSSR.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Well I would hope that a single entry level component (don't pretend like the XX60 series isn't entry level at this point) would cost less then an entire Pro console.
Mr Moose
Member
With 8GB.
Those are unpatched games.
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winjer
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It's better but not a huge increase. Not enough for getting a stable 60 fps.
I'm glad I played Elden Ring on PC, at a constant 60 fps.
Senua
Gold Member
I thought CPUs didn't matter anymore
bitbydeath
bitbydeath
King Dazzar
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Do we know when the video will be back up?
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cinnamonandgravy
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wish they waited another year or two and did that instead of the pro turd
gens are bleeding into each other and its boring
ps5 is like the ps4 pro2.
DF quote from there Ps5 pro review:
"There's a general rule of thumb in this launch period: Sony's use of PSSR is generally excellent across all supported games, while partner studios are also delivering excellent results. Stellar Blade's PSSR implementation is simply fantastic with game-changing image quality up against the standard PS5 version. The same can be said for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, which we've already covered. Our preview looked at just one gameplay segment, but the quality boost extends across the whole game."
This two are my favorite games and I'm happy with the big improvement with ps5 pro. Looks like we can really see the power of ps5 pro, obviously, with Sony's 1st, 2nd party and there exclusives and time exclusives.
"There's a general rule of thumb in this launch period: Sony's use of PSSR is generally excellent across all supported games, while partner studios are also delivering excellent results. Stellar Blade's PSSR implementation is simply fantastic with game-changing image quality up against the standard PS5 version. The same can be said for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, which we've already covered. Our preview looked at just one gameplay segment, but the quality boost extends across the whole game."
This two are my favorite games and I'm happy with the big improvement with ps5 pro. Looks like we can really see the power of ps5 pro, obviously, with Sony's 1st, 2nd party and there exclusives and time exclusives.
gooner4life_uk
Member
I thought CPUs didn't matter anymore
It won't be the CPU, it will be DRS range not adjusting aggressively enough, same issue the Xbox One X had, multiplat games often performed better FPS wise on PS4 Pro than on One X because resolution was higher on One X.
Vick
Member
Damn, too late. Only got to see the Boost Mode video, in which Rich stare right after John said DMC5 on Pro is the best way to play the game legit unsettled me.
Cared the most about Resident Evil games Res + RT, but guess I'll see for myself tomorrow.
Good to know Silent Hill 2 simply running unpatched solved any framerate problem in both modes, and entirely got rid of those few stutter issues present in the console version. Bodes really well for the upcoming patch.
Cared the most about Resident Evil games Res + RT, but guess I'll see for myself tomorrow.
Good to know Silent Hill 2 simply running unpatched solved any framerate problem in both modes, and entirely got rid of those few stutter issues present in the console version. Bodes really well for the upcoming patch.
KloetenQuetsche
Member
And?
Whats the conclusion of all that reviews?
Is the PS5 Pro as fast as the Series X, at least?
Whats the conclusion of all that reviews?
Is the PS5 Pro as fast as the Series X, at least?
SkyHighTrees
Member
base ps5 was faster
Skifi28
Member
Barely touches the S.
Radical_3d
Member
FTFY.