Luipadre
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As i said before. Most people waiting for reviews before preorder and thats a good thing. Im gonna play this game on release and havent preordered it yet.
Dragon Age: The Veilguard review embargo lifts on October 28th (Via Tom Henderson)
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GymWolf
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I don't think the game is gonna completely bomb, dragon age is still an important name and inquisition was liked by many people, the brand is not completely fucked yet like it was with star wars and the outlaws game.
But it's definitely not gonna get close to ea expectations.
But it's definitely not gonna get close to ea expectations.
Kotaro
Member
People were waiting for other games previews too, but the blind buys for Dragon Ball: Sparkling Zero, Silent Hill 2, SW: Outlaws were enough to put them in Top-10
Luipadre
Member
Yes, but Biowares latest 2 games were pretty bad so people are a lot more cautious with this one. If the game gets good reviews on monday, it will jump forward a lot on the preorder list i bet
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PeteBull
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If they need at least 2m sold copies at full price to break even u can tell it will be nasty bomb, all that cash/resources/time wasnt invested in it to lose money so game doesnt need to be bomb of epic proportions like concord to still be flop big enough to close the dev studio.
Making games isnt charity work, when game underperforms according to sales expectations(which come from game's budget) it means game flopped even if those sales numbers dont look terrible from our/customers pov.
If GTA6 only sells 10m copies(which isnt enough considering its 2b usd budget) it wont break even which means it flops too(ofc probability of such an event is extremly small and rockstar would have to majorly fuck up for it to happen
).TLDR: If investors give dev studio say 300m usd budget over 6years of dev time of the game, they dont want 300m profit, they want visibly more, at least 350 but preferably 400m profit(not revenue) to not think of closing dev studio and letting it life/make games in the future. As a consequence if game makes less profit(which is directly tied to its sales, DA:V is single player after all
u can tell it will get nasty for the dev studio.
CliffBronger
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I was out after the retarded character creator.
Zero interest in this game now. Going to play RDR on PC which releases on the 29th instead.
Zero interest in this game now. Going to play RDR on PC which releases on the 29th instead.
Dazraell
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Well, things are not so hot if you will take a few things into consideration
EA's expectations for this are probably much higher considering Inquisition sales (best-selling BioWare game up to date, sold over 12 million copies) and how much money they pumped into DA4 over the years. The game was announced in 2018 but its development allegedly started in 2015. The game went through multiple different iterations, each time starting over from scratch. They're also bragging about having the largest script in Dragon Age series (almost double than Inquisition), meaning VO alone probably wasn't cheap
Even if the reception will somehow wind up positive, that might not be enough to recoup the development costs
PeteBull
Member
We will know for sure soon enough, hell maybe we are here in gaf bubble and are totally wrong, and EA//Bioware announces 2m sold copies first/2nd week, that would mean game defo broke even and is profiting from that point on
Edit: To be 100% sure we need pachter to take a stance, w/e he predicts u can bet opposite becomes true after all
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Dazraell
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Yeah, I'm honestly curious too as I don't really see any excitement for it even outside GAF. The game is on Steam's Global Bestseller List, but interestingly it's behind Sonic and Monster Hunter WildsWe will know for sure soon enough, hell maybe we are here in gaf bubble and are totally wrong, and EA//Bioware announces 2m sold copies first/2nd week, that would mean game defo broke even and is profiting from that point on
Edit: To be 100% sure we need pachter to take a stance, w/e he predicts u can bet opposite becomes true after all
Fabieter
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If it's reviews in the middle 80s it will for sure jump up quite up. I see quite a few people on the fence which is understandable.
Tertullian
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This really does feel like a turning point in the culture war that people like the staff at Bioware are waging.
If this game underperforms dramatically, it really seems like the suits will have to take notice and admit that games like this are unpopular and prone to failure.
But if this game succeeds, the "everything is political" crowd will triple down on the strategy of taking over and colonizing existing IPs to push their ideology. Concord failed because it was a new IP, but you can make an existing IP as preachy and obnoxious as you like and the masses will still gobble it up because the name on the tin lights up the pleasure centers of their brains.
That's why I'm really hoping pop culture moves away from "fandom" and the need to mindlessly consume everything in a beloved franchise. We've clearly made progress in this area with IPs like Star Wars, but we need to push further. Actively flout all loyalty to brands. Assume that every new entry will be bad until proven otherwise. Embrace the idea of headcanon. Never, ever preorder. Just outright refuse to acknowledge bad products as legitimate.
If this game underperforms dramatically, it really seems like the suits will have to take notice and admit that games like this are unpopular and prone to failure.
But if this game succeeds, the "everything is political" crowd will triple down on the strategy of taking over and colonizing existing IPs to push their ideology. Concord failed because it was a new IP, but you can make an existing IP as preachy and obnoxious as you like and the masses will still gobble it up because the name on the tin lights up the pleasure centers of their brains.
That's why I'm really hoping pop culture moves away from "fandom" and the need to mindlessly consume everything in a beloved franchise. We've clearly made progress in this area with IPs like Star Wars, but we need to push further. Actively flout all loyalty to brands. Assume that every new entry will be bad until proven otherwise. Embrace the idea of headcanon. Never, ever preorder. Just outright refuse to acknowledge bad products as legitimate.
Kotaro
Member
No amount of good reviews will help this game
Chuck Berry
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There's no reason to preorder this shit. You think it's going to be a tough find due to selling like hotcakes on release?
Kotaro
Member
Don't forget the pronouns
Madflavor
Member
I don't know why the PC version isn't coming up for me, because I did try searching for it. But if it does have a 91, then yeah I'd say that's more in line with what the game deserves.
I mean I don't think BotW and TotK are great games either, but I know I'm definitely an outsider on that. Doesn't bother me if some people don't like DA:O.
But I do think it's a fantastic game, and it's certainly stood the test of time better than other old CRPGs.
Angry_Megalodon
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This will bomb like SW Outlaws. Nothing in it is appealing to the average gamer and the hardcore fanbase is mostly pissed at the change of tone.
Madflavor
Member
Yeah I'm with you, it's not going to bomb. At worst it will underperform, but I think it'll do decent enough to not put the studio in hot water.
Looking at the release schedule, it also doesn't have any real competition for a few weeks.
The Cockatrice
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But yes, please avoid a game just because its char creator is woke/pandering to the crazies.
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Kokoloko85
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Cancel culture throthing at the mouth in anticipation
PeteBull
Member
We were buying games that were pandered to us, straight males, so if game is pandering to clowns let the clowns buy it instead, didnt see even 1 goodlooking character in all the game footage/screenies till now, and i think i watched if not all then almost all of the marketing material ;/
But yes, please avoid a game just because its char creator is woke/pandering to the crazies.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
But yes, please avoid a game just because its char creator is woke/pandering to the crazies.
A remake isn't a good example. They can't mess it up other than the moronic type A/B.
Let's understand at once that this is not the actual problem but a symptom.
We know with full certainty that the dumbness of DA won't stop at the character creator.
I'm the only one who thinks that only terminally online people gives a shit about all the culture wars regarding these games?
Honestly I think that reviews will dictate how successful this game is, they will drive the word-of-mouth and reviewers give a shit about cultural wars because they're not actively preoccupied at that (or Stellar Blade wouldn't have scored higher than Outlaws, BG3 has a 96 on MC/OC) and mainstream people don't care either.
I mean, look at the previews, they were glowing in praise.
What will dictate the success of this game is what we don't know yet, how good is the story and characters ? Like old BioWare or like neo Bioware? And the side quest? And the gameplay variety? Is exploration satisfying? Decisions matter? They make a difference) And so on.
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Kotaro
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But yes, please avoid a game just because its char creator is woke/pandering to the crazies.
Elden Ring is not woke. It may have that one woke element, body type A/B,
BUT the conservatives can also make a claim that it's very a Christian game. Like how many churches, chapels, cathedrals, can you count in the game? how many bibles, prayerbooks? how many other Christian elements? cross, crucifix, pastor, pope, priest, chalice, communion? ....
If anything conservatives have more claim on that game than the wokies, It's a very Christianity-based game
The Cockatrice
Banned
What are you talking about? The pics are Elden Ring and Baldurs Gate 3, both universally praised, yet both have woke char creators. Cyberpunk 2077 is also the same, you can put a vagina on a male body, yet again, universally praised.
You mean companions? Cuz you can make pretty main characters if you want.
Imru’ al-Qays
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It's indicative of the overall tenor of the world building
Angry_Megalodon
Member
You can't be writing this with a straight face.
The Cockatrice
Banned
Tell me you havent played ER without telling me you havent played ER lmao. Buddy, the whole lore is about trans, incest, and all sorts of depravity you can think of, that woke culture loves. Its just that no one cares cuz its Japanese.
Madflavor
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I recall there being a few reviewers that criticized the design of Eve in Stellar Blade.
BigBeauford
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Since when is not buying something cancel culture?
Kotaro
Member
that's all I've been playing in the last 2.5 yrs, got 2 plats PS4/PS5.
Trans?!?! LMAO, Radagon/Marika is a GOD, they can be whatever they want to be, a tree, or even a beast.... but of course the rainbow freaks always claim they're one of them, no need to argue with them there.
But you can't argue, churches, chapels and cathedrals are places of sanctuary in the game.
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The Cockatrice
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Luipadre
Member
There's no reason to preorder this shit. You think it's going to be a tough find due to selling like hotcakes on release?
Im digital only so i dont really care about physical copies
Kotaro
Member
exactly, so just STFU
The Cockatrice
Banned
I just cant bother with idiots who have no idea what the fuck theyre writting so yeah, I'll stop replying else Imma lose braincells.
proandrad
Member
Bro they are video games, nothing is real in any of them.
Complistic
Member
Just a reminder, if you're on PC and are tempted to experience whatever this ends up being, a month of EA Play Pro is $16.99. 
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Who's going to tell them Body Type A and Body Type B is a binary choice . . .
Dazraell
Member
finalflame
Banned
lmao ok
graywolf323
Member
eh, even great games have embargoes like FFVII: Rebirth & Metaphor: ReFantazio
diffusionx
Gold Member
Ok I will
And if you look at this game, what they've talked about, the people in charge of it, the "woke" goes far beyond the character creator and is clearly a core part of the design.
The Cockatrice
Banned
I know, thats fine. If I regret my purchase so be it. Wouldnt be the first and that includes games that were woke-free.
Kokoloko85
Member
Whats that got to do with anything?
Theres loads of people wanting this to fail before they have played it or seen reviews. There vocal about it wanting to fail. They want it to fail
Reviews 4 days early is pretty good tho? A sign that they're confident.
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