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[Draugoth]

Dragon Age: The Veilguard was the seventh best-selling game across Europe in October. It's not the biggest launch, however. Compared with other recent RPGs, first week sales were over 18% lower than Dragon's Dogma 2 and nearly 21% below Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth

 

[GHG]

So much for them being in line with those titles then.

 

[Saber]

I was told by a few people apparently this game had good numbers for a series that took like what...ages to release?

Fortunatelly we all know how EA is a good and forgiven company.

 

[Fake]

Well, there is.

And FF was consider a flop. Keep your copium at hand Dragon Age fans.

 

[Gaiff]

Much better than it deserves.

 

[TheCed]

Well, there is.

And FF was consider a flop. Keep your copium at hand Dragon Age fans.

There's a difference between a Flop and "Didn't meet expectations"

But yeah I hope Rebirth gets into more hands.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

So much for them being in line with those titles then.

At least on Steam, Veilguard peaked at just ~40% of what Dragons Dogma 2 did. I suspect that Veilguard fell far short of DD2 in total worldwide sales. This story is just talking about Europe.

 

[ByWatterson]

LOL.

Even money on whether EA shuts down Bioware, honestly.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Now we know that, for this clown... 'in line' is anything with ~22% margin of error...

 

[Gonzito]

Bioware is dead papitos

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

"it's doing alright"

 

[Interfectum]

 

[SlimySnake]

Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2 and FF7 are all flawed games that deserve their poor or underwhelming sales. The modern audience is rejecting these games that have become formulaic and have lost that magic of earlier games in the series.

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

 

[rm082e]

LOL.

Even money on whether EA shuts down Bioware, honestly.

Prior to this game launching, I would have said it was highly unlikely they would shut them down while they have a new Mass Effect game in development. I figured they would at least see that one through and get it out the door before shuttering them. Not that I thought it would be any good, but it seems like they've made the decision to give ME one more shot.

But now? Yeah, I don't know anymore. I would love to see the internal meeting notes and/or report from EA on how Veilguard did, what conclusions they come to, and what recommendations are made. I can only imagine it's going to be brutal.

 

[Fake]

There's a difference between a Flop and "Didn't meet expectations"

But yeah I hope Rebirth gets into more hands.

I said 'was consider', but I get your point.

Back to the thread I don't think there is a solution for Bioware this time besides closing doors.

 

[Dazraell]

 

[rm082e]

Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2 and FF7 are all flawed games that deserve their poor or underwhelming sales. The modern audience is rejecting these games that have become formulaic and have lost that magic of earlier games in the series.

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

I think for some people, as soon as they see the "wokeness" tag attached to a piece of media, they're going to avoid it for ideological reasons.

But for a much bigger group of people, I think it's more pattern recognition. They've seen enough media that other people describe as "woke", they know a lot of those movies/shows/games were low quality, so they can now sense when new media is likely to follow the same trend. They may not be ideologically driven, but they have enough of a spidey-sense to know what they don't like. It's not the "angry incels" alone who are taking down these movies/shows/games.

 

[Deerock71]

Incellent...

 

[Kacho]

"it's doing alright"

Low bar apparently

 

[Plague Doctor]

This has "breakout potential" I was told.

 

[Elios83]

At this point they should just delay the weekly report until they have full sales.
It's pointless to just report physical numbers that send a message than can be significantly altered a few days later.

 

[RCX]

Don't worry if EA kills them. It's not really Bioware anyway. It's just an unassociated group of people wearing their skin as a suit.

Like if the Beatles replaced John, Paul and George with nobodies but insisted on keeping the name and acting weird anytime anyone questioned it.

 

[Jaybe]

Jason Schreier in shambles

 

[stn]

My plan is to wait until this hits $20.00 (and used, because I don't want to give money towards more development of games with shitty writing) so that I can run through the main quest and ignore everything else. The dialogue I have seen is so bad that I am honestly surprised it passed the smell test. Heck, Patrick Weekes worked on the game, and he had a good track run, so what happened? Its a shame they decided to make the dialogue, choices, and everything else "E For Everyone". Its so hard for me to buy into the story where its based on a team of superfriends, and the leader has no personality and just agrees with everything. Its a dark fantasy, not Fortnite.

 

[ByWatterson]

Prior to this game launching, I would have said it was highly unlikely they would shut them down while they have a new Mass Effect game in development. I figured they would at least see that one through and get it out the door before shuttering them. Not that I thought it would be any good, but it seems like they've made the decision to give ME one more shot.

But now? Yeah, I don't know anymore. I would love to see the internal meeting notes and/or report from EA on how Veilguard did, what conclusions they come to, and what recommendations are made. I can only imagine it's going to be brutal.

I had similar thoughts.

Maybe EA will say, look, the American election has clear cultural import, and your last game quasi-bombed due in no small part to its very, very aggressive woke messaging. I don't think that's up for argument anymore. So, like a politician taking his lumps after a defeat, learn from it, normify Mass Effect, make it mainstream, and that's the last chance.

But if Mass Effect has similar writing, cultural objectives, and pervasive smugness, it's going to fail, too.

Twitter is now real life.

 

[tkscz]

Now we know that, for this clown... 'in line' is anything with ~22% margin of error...

To play devil's advocate, he did say broadly. I took it as anywhere between 10 to 20% more or less.

That said, this isn't "doing alright". Doing alright would be slowly reaching expectation. Doing anything less is not alright.

 

[SJRB]

 

[SlicedBread3]

To play devil's advocate, he did say broadly. I took it as anywhere between 10 to 20% more or less.

That said, this isn't "doing alright". Doing alright would be slowly reaching expectation. Doing anything less is not alright.

Weren't those original comments also just referring to the UK market?

 

[Mayar]

I think everyone already guessed about these results, it was clear just by looking at the game statistics. Now we have written confirmation of this. It is clear why they sit quietly and are silent on Twitter and do not write anything about sales.

 

[Mister Wolf]

"Owning Chuds" is harder than they thought.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Hopefully EA shuts Bioware down and licenses or sells the IP. I don't want to see how much they wreck the next Mass Effect game.

 

[tkscz]

Weren't those original comments also just referring to the UK market?

Yes, all this is referring to the UK market.

 

[SlicedBread3]

Yes, all this is referring to the UK market.

The info in this thread is referring to Europe as a whole.

The point being it's feasible that it might have done a bit better in the UK then mainland Europe, so both his statements could still be true.

Also on that note, since I haven't seen it posted elsewhere:

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...-brothership-drops-anchor-outside-the-top-ten

Dropping quite a bit on the UK retail charts.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Shaping up to be another rare incel victory?

 

[Hookshot]

Heck, Patrick Weekes worked on the game, and he had a good track run, so what happened?

They are called "Trick" now, and are non binary.

Trick Weekes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

It is a bomb. Straight to taash

Bioware is not just a husk of its former self, but a rotten corpse that destroys its own legacy and IPs. RIP Dragon Age. At least BG was revived by a different company.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I think everyone already guessed about these results, it was clear just by looking at the game statistics. Now we have written confirmation of this. It is clear why they sit quietly and are silent on Twitter and do not write anything about sales.

You also had Jason Schreier initially gloating about the sales before deleting his post. He has a lot of connections inside BioWare. I suspect he deleted this after one of his sources told him that it’s not selling so well.

 

[Spukc]

You also had Jason Schreier initially gloating about the sales before deleting his post. He has a lot of connections inside BioWare. I suspect he deleted this after one of his sources told him that it’s not selling so well.

You should read his book!
I heard it's great!

 

[devutos]

Those two games are also gonna be a lot stronger than DAV in Japan and elsewhere in Asia.. So overall this is likely selling significantly lower worldwide.

 

[yazenov]

You also had Jason Schreier initially gloating about the sales before deleting his post. He has a lot of connections inside BioWare. I suspect he deleted this after one of his sources told him that it’s not selling so well.

The chuds won

 

[yazenov]

21% below Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth​

FF Rebirth was on one platform (PS5) vs Dragon Age which was on many platforms. Sucks to be you Bioware . More like Dragon Age: Flopguard. Didn't the game take 8 years to develop? Good luck recouping those development costs with those measly sales

 

[Woopah]

The indications from the download charts were right.

So much for them being in line with those titles then.

Now we know that, for this clown... 'in line' is anything with ~22% margin of error...

They are two seperate reports.

Dragon Age sold better than DD2 and Rebirth in the UK. It sold worse than both of them in Europe as a whole.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Hey fellas, DD2 ain't done yet. It's gonna get a badass xpak that will literally change the game from okay to excellent just like BBI did for DD1, and then sales will take off again.

Veilguard ain't getting shit.

 

[lmimmfn]

The game that keeps on giving lol

 

[Humdinger]

first week sales were over 18% lower than Dragon's Dogma 2 and nearly 21% below Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth

Thanks. Good to get some actual sales data.

Can anyone translate those percentages into real numbers? Do we have numbers for DD2 or FFVII?

Maybe EA will say, look, the American election has clear cultural import, and your last game quasi-bombed due in no small part to its very, very aggressive woke messaging. I don't think that's up for argument anymore. So, like a politician taking his lumps after a defeat, learn from it, normify Mass Effect, make it mainstream, and that's the last chance.

Boy, that's giving them a lot of credit. That would require reflection, self-awareness, and responsibility. Not these people's strong suit.

 

[sharp weiner]

“Over 18% lower”

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

but ultimately these games just arent very good.

FF7R is definitely very good

 

[Topher]

 

[KimDongHwan]

Another rare incel victory!

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

21% below Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth​

FF Rebirth was on one platform (PS5) vs Dragon Age which was on many platforms. Sucks to be you Bioware . More like Dragon Age: Flopguard. Didn't the game take 8 years to develop? Good luck recouping those development costs with those measly sales

Yup, PS5 only vs PS5, Xbox Series and PC and a higher install base now. No platform deal either and won't sell anything in Asia whilst Rebirth and DD2 shifted copies in that region (FF7 approx 500k in Japan with digital sales). Word of mouth and games reputation isn't great but is largely positive for DD2 and Rebirth (GOTY contender).

It's uphill battle from here for Dragon Age to recoup costs and no doubt this entry is damaging for the IP.