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[Stu_Hart]

Game Journilists tried to flog this dog as a 10/10, the same shit they pulled with Inquisition which was absolutely awful.
Fans are on to their crap and don't trust them, it showed, now they're rowing back on everything.

Games "journilists" are the absolute enemy, anyone listening to them are fools, the same with metacritic and opencritic.

Trust forums and folks opinions.

Most of the scores are below that aside from a handful of clowns giving it a 10. 6 to 8 is fair. Haha, you are telling people to trust forum and folks, with many here having their own biases and agendas, and many here never even played the game and are rage-baiting others? Who are you again? I trust in myself to make my own decisions if a game is bad or not.

 

[xenosys]

So despite exclusivity, FF7Rebirth was the largest RPG launched in Europe, which is heavy with PC usage? Hmmmm

Yeah, I was a little surprised that it outsold DD2 in Europe, which we were all told was the next Elden Ring.

 

[Woopah]

Where is that poster I was arguing with about how “that Christopher something” said the sale of DA were “close” (on in line) the sales of those other titles and that we didn’t know what meant?

Yeah, he owes me an apology or an unequivocal, yeah, you were right.

Hello!

No apologies are required as these are the European numbers, not the UK numbers.

 

[Humdinger]

 

[Raven117]

Hello!

No apologies are required as these are the European numbers, not the UK numbers.

Lol. Pretty sure the UK numbers will be similar, but alright.

 

[Woopah]

Lol. Pretty sure the UK numbers will be similar, but alright.

Well we know it's not that similar.

These numbers from Europe clearly show that the gap between Rebirth and DD2 is much smaller than the gap between Rebirth and Veilguard.

 

[mdkirby]

That’s not necessarily a bad thing if it has steady legs. But it doesn’t. It’s already dropped out the top 50 top selling on steam.

 

[BbMajor7th]

No, the 151 critics and fans are wrong.

Large numbers of people are wrong about a whole lot of things. FFVII-R was a god-awful chore of a game with weak-ass writing, repetitive quest design and more bloat than lactose intolerant person on an ice-cream binge.

It's a sign of how low corporate media companies and critics have managed to lower the bar that games like this and Dragon Age: The Vielguard managed to chart in the 80-90 range (toss in Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West while we're at it).

 

[Raven117]

Well we know it's not that similar.

These numbers from Europe clearly show that the gap between Rebirth and DD2 is much smaller than the gap between Rebirth and Veilguard.

We don't know the numbers for UK. Just someone's quantification of it. Im willing to be bet the numbers are similar.

If you call 18-21% lower "close" (or inline, or whatever adjective that dude used), thats fine. But more than likely, you are being misled.

Game didn't sell well, and selling lower, by a good clip from FFVII and DD2. Im sure that EA was hoping it would sell more than DD2.

That's all there is to it. And there is no way to spin it otherwise.

 

[StylishMGTOW]

lol get fucked

 

[semiconscious]

Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2 and FF7 are all flawed games that deserve their poor or underwhelming sales. The modern audience is rejecting these games that have become formulaic and have lost that magic of earlier games in the series.

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

the cheapest part of the game creation process: a pencil & a pad of paper. but, unfortunately, the part that many developers just aren't good at anymore, for some reason. a lost skill?...

 

[Three]

This just tells me FF7 Rebirth outsold Dragons Dogma 2.

 

[Nasigil]

Where are those people who said "you guys need to accept the fact that this game is a success", "89k peak ccu is not bad for a new game", "there will be way more console sales than PC sales so Steam stats doesn't matter"

Imagine telling people a year ago that a Dragon Age sequel will sell less than a Dragon's Dogma sequel. People will laugh at you.

The writing is on the wall when Schreier deleted his tweet touting the sale of this game. I am 80% sure one of his friends in Bioware messaged him and was like "dude we appreciate the gesture, but the sales are actually abysmal"

The wokeness itself is not a problem - nothing wrong with respecting minorities. But when talentless devs get into important positions by hiding behind identity politics, then try to prioritize pushing agendas (because that's all they know) instead of making a good game, you will end up with terrible games, almost every single time. On the surface, this phenomenon appears as a simple pattern: go woke go broke.

 

[MMaRsu]

Outsold by Metaphor

 

[Topher]

Outsold by Metaphor

To be fair, Veilguard was only on the market for three days during that span.

 

[stn]

Where are those people who said "you guys need to accept the fact that this game is a success", "89k peak ccu is not bad for a new game", "there will be way more console sales than PC sales so Steam stats doesn't matter"

Imagine telling people a year ago that a Dragon Age sequel will sell less than a Dragon's Dogma sequel. People will laugh at you.

The writing is on the wall when Schreier deleted his tweet touting the sale of this game. I am 80% sure one of his friends in Bioware messaged him and was like "dude we appreciate the gesture, but the sales are actually abysmal"

The wokeness itself is not a problem - nothing wrong with respecting minorities. But when talentless devs get into important positions by hiding behind identity politics, then try to prioritize pushing agendas (because that's all they know) instead of making a good game, you will end up with terrible games, almost every single time. On the surface, this phenomenon appears as a simple pattern: go woke go broke.

Yeah, I mean, I'm all for representation in games. Never had an issue with that, never batted an eyelash before at games either starring non-white characters, women, and/or featuring gay characters. The issue with Veilguard is that the devs nuked the dialogue, made the story way too PG-friendly, and removed all of the depth and choices that were standard in Bioware RPGs. The moment I saw the first Veilguard trailer, I lost all hope. Now that the game is out, I can see its not as "superfriends" as the initial trailer, but at the same time I have seen way too many complaints and examples of really crappy dialogue. The way the characters interact and talk is just unnatural and shallow. Also, some of the voice acting is horrendous.

 

[tusharngf]

i think this has little to do with wokeness but the game itself is the problem.

 

[Woopah]

We don't know the numbers for UK. Just someone's quantification of it. Im willing to be bet the numbers are similar.

If you call 18-21% lower "close" (or inline, or whatever adjective that dude used), thats fine. But more than likely, you are being misled.

Game didn't sell well, and selling lower, by a good clip from FFVII and DD2. Im sure that EA was hoping it would sell more than DD2.

That's all there is to it. And there is no way to spin it otherwise.

For UK, Dring said "It was the battle of the Japanese RPGs during March with Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth and Dragon's Dogma 2 both coming to market. The result? A narrow success for Dragon's Dogma 2 "

For Europe, Dring said "Final Fantasy just about beat Dragon’s Dogma". Now we know from these %s that the gap between those games is indeed pretty small, and Dring told the truth.

For Veilguard, he said it was very similar to the DD2 and Rebirth launch in the UK. For Europe as a whole, he agreed that Veilguard would be notably below those 2 games. Judging from these %s, I'd say he was right.

 

[Raven117]

For UK, Dring said "It was the battle of the Japanese RPGs during March with Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth and Dragon's Dogma 2 both coming to market. The result? A narrow success for Dragon's Dogma 2 "

For Europe, Dring said "Final Fantasy just about beat Dragon’s Dogma". Now we know from these %s that the gap between those games is indeed pretty small, and Dring told the truth.

For Veilguard, he said it was very similar to the DD2 and Rebirth launch in the UK. For Europe as a whole, he agreed that Veilguard would be notably below those 2 games. Judging from these %s, I'd say he was right.

“Notably below”. That’s not what was being repressed with respect to UK.

In any event. The sales of Veilguard sucks, and there is not a chance on this earth that it is performing to EAs expectations.

End of discussion.

 

[BigBeauford]

i think this has little to do with wokeness but the game itself is the problem.

This was said about the other dozen DEI centric flops this year.

 

[TheCed]

Thats me. Huge fan of FF7 and i refuse to buy the remakes untill the story is complete and i can buy the 3 parts combined. I already played the 1st part cuz was on PS+ and enjoyed it.

I get where you're coming from.

Hope you'll enjoy it, but be ready to feel the burn out if you play all the stuff back to back because It's massive.

 

[Aenima]

I get where you're coming from.

Hope you'll enjoy it, but be ready to feel the burn out if you play all the stuff back to back because It's massive.

Yeah, im aware of that and im ok with it. A few years ago i bought the Mass Effect trilogy and also played the 3 games in a row.

 

[Woopah]

“Notably below”. That’s not what was being repressed with respect to UK.

In any event. The sales of Veilguard sucks, and there is not a chance on this earth that it is performing to EAs expectations.

End of discussion.

Right, that was not said about UK sales. It was said about the European sales, and it was right.

Neither Chris or I said it was performing to EA's expectations in Europe. Chris said its performance in Europe was softer than in the UK.

 

[Raven117]

Right, that was not said about UK sales. It was said about the European sales, and it was right.

Neither Chris or I said it was performing to EA's expectations in Europe. Chris said its performance in Europe was softer than in the UK.

It’s not performing anywhere. And you still don’t know the UK numbers exactly.

 

[XXL]

i think this has little to do with wokeness but the game itself is the problem.

It's probably a bit of both.

People are fed up with the ultra woke shit and the game looks like shit.

From what Ive seen, the writing is fucking terrible.....It honestly sounds like it was written by a kid in grade 4 or 5.

 

[Woopah]

It’s not performing anywhere. And you still don’t know the UK numbers exactly.

We don't know the numbers anywhere exactly. But we know that it's UK performance was better than it's European one.

 

[Synless]

It’s time…

 

[pulicat]

To be fair, Veilguard was only on the market for three days during that span.

3 days were enough for any big game to be in the top 20 as the bulk of game sales mostly concentrated on the first day of sales. This is unfolding exactly like StarWars outlaws.

It's performing below FF7 Rebirth. Safe to assume the launch numbers aren't looking good for Veilguard as many companies would release sales PR right away to boast their achievements.

 

[xenosys]

FF7R is definitely very good

You can't account for taste.

People are just triggered that they hold minority opinions that clearly aren't shared by casuals that don't spend their lives perpetually online on echo chambers like NeoGAF.

You know how I know this? ... because it won an award for BEST STORYTELLING at a 100% fan voted event.

 

[Raven117]

We don't know the numbers anywhere exactly. But we know that it's UK performance was better than it's European one.

Do we? I mean, quantifiably do we?

I find this conversation so strange but entertaining

 

[Monjiro]

Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2 and FF7 are all flawed games that deserve their poor or underwhelming sales. The modern audience is rejecting these games that have become formulaic and have lost that magic of earlier games in the series.

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

Can't comment on Dragon age or DD2. But FFVII-2 was extremelly good experience form me. One of the better games I played in a while. Would be better withouth interference from censorship department though..

 

[HJuggernaut]

makes sense it looks like a cartoony mobile game with all RPG aspects gutted out.

 

[Woopah]

Do we? I mean, quantifiably do we?

I find this conversation so strange but entertaining

Well Chris said its performance was softer in Europe than in the UK, and the %s between Veilguard and the other two RPGs are indeed notable.

To give another example, in his latest report Chris says: "It's a huge launch for the new Dragon Ball title, with sales (for the first four weeks) more than double the previous fastest-selling Dragon Ball game (2020's Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot)."

Based on this report, I think it makes more sense to conclude that "we know Sparking Zero did well and the gap between it and Kakarot is over 100%". Rather than "we have no idea how well it sold, because Chris could have an agenda and be misleading us".

I'm enjoying the conversation too!

 

[Kotaro]

go woke go broke!!

another chuds victory

- Suicide Squad
- Dustborn
- Banishers
- Concord
- Star Wars Outlaws
- Unknown 9
- Dragon Age Veilguard

 

[Bernardougf]

Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2 and FF7 are all flawed games that deserve their poor or underwhelming sales. The modern audience is rejecting these games that have become formulaic and have lost that magic of earlier games in the series.

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

Thats the problem.. the celebration of mediocrity

 

[Madflavor]

People will blame wokeness, exclusivity and bugs for these sales numbers, but ultimately these games just arent very good. They arent bad, but not great either. And its good to see sales reflect. Too many mediocre games have been selling like hot cakes for too long which has allowed devs to become complacent and lazy. Both in terms of visuals and game design. Not to mention the atrocious storytelling present in all three games.

I think people undersell the fact that everything is 10 times better when you’re a kid. When you’re an adult, you’re a lot more cynical, you’ve experienced most of what entertainment has to offer, you’re less trusting, you look at things with a more critical eye, and it makes you harder to satisfy and impress.

 

[Kurotri]

It’s time…

This pic is so damn old, easily 10 years by now and it still hasn't come to pass. I do not expect it at this point.

 

[pulicat]

go woke go broke!!

another chuds victory

- Suicide Squad
- Dustborn
- Banishers
- Concord
- Star Wars Outlaws
- Unknown 9
- Dragon Age Veilguard

Life is strange: Double exposure - flopped
Tales of Kenzera Zau - flopped

 

[Freeman76]

I loved the series before this one, even Inquisition, but they can fuck off with their just stop oil diversity bullshit, voted with my wallet on this one and hopefully plenty of others will too. Its the best game ever made over on Resetera, tells you all you need to know

 

[SlimySnake]

I think people undersell the fact that everything is 10 times better when you’re a kid. When you’re an adult, you’re a lot more cynical, you’ve experienced most of what entertainment has to offer, you’re less trusting, you look at things with a more critical eye, and it makes you harder to satisfy and impress.

But thats exactly why i love this industry and spend so much time on it. its the only medium that improves drastically gen on gen. it just hasnt this gen because of lazy and unambitious devs, and an audience that is willing to except mediocrity.

I am not much older than i was when i played ME2. 13 years so i was 27. not a child or a teenager even. Dragon Age's storytelling, dialogue choices, companion quests are all undoubtedly worse than ME2 and it's not because ive gotten older, but because the writing has gotten worse.

I still enjoy games. I thought tears of the kingdom with its physics focused mechanics was new and innovative and ingenious. i think Silent Hill 2 is not just a blast from the past, but a much needed modern reimagining of those ps2 and ps3 era games.

i even loved the FF7 remake, but rebirth with its dated open worlds that are worse than what ubisoft offered in the ps3 era, and some of the worst storytelling of all time is just bad game design and storytelling by even ps3 era standards.

 

[Synless]

This pic is so damn old, easily 10 years by now and it still hasn't come to pass. I do not expect it at this point.

One of my favorite memes of old.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

go woke go broke!!

another chuds victory

- Suicide Squad
- Dustborn
- Banishers
- Concord
- Star Wars Outlaws
- Unknown 9
- Dragon Age Veilguard

Well deserved for those trash.

And gratz to the other side with successful to huge successful ones like

Stellar Blade
Space Marine 2
Wukong Black Myth
Romancing Saga 2 Revenge of the Seventh
Elden Ring DLC
Tekken 8
etc etc etc