Conflict NZ
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Veilguard finally appears on the Xbox Live most played list at number 16. That's pretty horrendous for a AAA game.
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Dragon Age: Veilguard releases with over 70k concurrent players on Steam and 'Mixed Reviews'
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Humdinger
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Smash JT reporting that a Bioware insider told him the company announced they had crossed 1 million sold over the weekend (Nov 9, 10). Also that the company has a celebration planned, but the atmosphere is "grim."
Bioware is also trying to hunt down and silence the "whistleblower(s)" who have reported on their toxic culture. I enjoyed this fellow's response:
Bioware is also trying to hunt down and silence the "whistleblower(s)" who have reported on their toxic culture. I enjoyed this fellow's response:
Kacho
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I don't trust these YouTube grifters and the sudden "inside sources" they claim to have, but that sounds like a reasonable guess. If it underperformed like SW Outlaws which sold 800k, I'd put Veilguard slightly above that since it launched on Steam.
CloudShiner
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This shit gonna be 50% off for BF isn't it?
They could give it away and I wouldn't waste my time.
They could give it away and I wouldn't waste my time.
Angry_Megalodon
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Why would they celebrate if the atmosphere is grim?
This selling below expectations is a fact. We don't know the radius of the blast, though.
This selling below expectations is a fact. We don't know the radius of the blast, though.
DonkeyPunchJr
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I bet the celebration is a ruse and HR will be waiting there with pink slips. This will be the first time their entire team has all been in the office simultaneously since pre-COVID.
VideoGameEnjoyer
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Bad year to release a AAA RPG that seems mediocre. Too many better options.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Imagine being at a celebration party with these people. ha!
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Looking bleak if true....
DeepEnigma
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Kacho
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What a classic.
Zacfoldor
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If the numbers were amazing they would have bragged by now, no?
Edit: Also Stellar Blade the fucking GOAT, PC bros get that shit on launch it'll be even better, likely the biggest upgrade going from PS5 to PC ever and I don't mean graphics. User mods!
Edit 2: Sorry, fucking Grummz using SB in those tweets, can't help myself. That's bait.
Edit: Also Stellar Blade the fucking GOAT, PC bros get that shit on launch it'll be even better, likely the biggest upgrade going from PS5 to PC ever and I don't mean graphics. User mods!
Edit 2: Sorry, fucking Grummz using SB in those tweets, can't help myself. That's bait.
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IntentionalPun
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That’s a closed restaurant in DT Seattle and I was actually there, keeping my distance from and GAF gathering… for obvious reason.
And by there I mean I was eating there when this group came in and then saw the pics posted. Was at PAX (called PaX Prime at the time) maybe 13 years ago.
edit: oh wait never mind lol, thinking of a different but similar picture
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LectureMaster
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Another one.
Zacfoldor
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Fuck, I'm so glad I held off.
That hair gif almost got me to buy early on, ngl, but I stood strong and waited and now it's all come crashing down like a house of cards.
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Dazraell
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EA will only brag about sales if the game was a breakout success. If it won't we may not know how much it sold beyond having Andrew Wilson giving some vague statements like "Veilguard did below expectations / was profitable" during investor call. At least that's what usually happens
DeepEnigma
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Embargo has expired.
Hence these clowns (reviewers) should never be trusted. Ever.
LectureMaster
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That's why I keep saying I trust Steam user reviews more than any press scores.
They show you whether you bought the game, how long you have played when reviewing, and feedback from others. Best system so far.
ValiantInstance
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Even Steam reviews are getting hard to trust initially.
Veilguard got a lot of positives after just a couple of hours played, same with Starfield last year. Developers are starting to frontload games with the most interesting content to skew review scores.
LectureMaster
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I think that's why played time when reviewing matters. For 50h+ RPGs like Starfield and Veilguard, those reviews at 2 hours offer zero insight at all, gotta wait couple of weeks to see impressions from people who finished the major portion of the game.
Raven117
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Was about to post the same thing and you had it covered.
I swear, some people really need to understand that classics are classics for a reason.
Humdinger
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Yeah, I hear you. Take it fwiw. I'm just providing it as another data point, since we don't have hard sales data.
In his favor though, Bioware appears to be going after the "whistleblower(s)" reporting to him (there are 3 now), and presumably they wouldn't be doing that if there wasn't some substance to what's being said.
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Angry_Megalodon
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You know it's a failure when the woke media start to backpedal and wonder what went wrong, as if they were looking from the fence instead of pushing for this bullshit.
IntentionalPun
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One reviewer for PC Gamer gave the game a middling 79, said the story isn’t good.
A 2nd person writes an article saying.. the story isn’t good a couple weeks later.
Where is the backtrack?
Joel Was Right
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Anyone playing this on the Pro and suffering from any noise issue?
Here, someone in one of the game topics wrote that on some TV models, before playing it is recommended to turn off all internal picture enhancers, including artificial clarity, they can cause artifacts in the picture.
Unfortunately I can’t remember what topic it was in..
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Unknown Soldier
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Accurate or not, this is currently making the rounds in Leaksville
~1 million sold, budget was $250-300 million, it will never recover it's production costs, yet another incredibly rare incel victory, Schreier in shambles
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MMaRsu
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that guy such an idiot lol"We're winning"
StreetsofBeige
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Probably because game companies have so many emotional people, management has to always do pizza parties and pub night to make sure morale is high. So even if the game did lousy, bosses still have to go through the celebration cycle.
My company launches on avg a new product line every year and a total of 50-100 new items. And that's just my region. Each region can also do their own customized new products.
Our office would be in forever celebration mode if we all group hugged after every new product release.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Maybe they have an auto-celebration when the game breaches a million sold.
Eh, I'd be going after them as well. No company wants their internal documents leaked.
Heck, wouldn't surprise me if they handed around a couple different sales numbers to different groups just to see what got reported out to narrow the noose.
"Game is mid, but doing ok" versus "game is CRASHING IN SALES OMGURD!" is a very different spin on probably the same sales numbers and the latter can tank future sales. Of course Bioware could try to be transparent about the game, make some carefully worded apologies about the content, issue some patches if they can, and promise "listen, learn, and to do better" (as they love to say in these things) and likely get a decent sales bump. But I doubt corporate HR would allow them to be that vulnerable and open with their audience.
Humdinger
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I got the impression that Bioware isn't going after the whistleblowers primarily because of the leaked numbers (although that's probably part of it), but from the leaker's characterizations of the workplace itself. Two of them describe it basically as run by feminists, hostile and exclusionary toward men (in hiring practices and in the general atmosphere), with toxic positivity and little criticism allowed, DEI/woke-infested. I think that's what pissed them off, not just leaked numbers. In part because it implies unlawful, discriminatory hiring practices.
I don't blame a company for wanting to find and crush whistleblowers - that's their right - but I'm glad the whistleblowers came forward. They put their necks on the line to do so. I don't have much sympathy for Bioware.
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ZehDon
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If it's budget was actually in that range, Bioware will be facing deep layoffs as EA posts down close to $200m in losses.
Last Hearth
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Going by the fact I still get ads for this game on reddit groups I visit, I bet the marketing budget is $50-100 million alone.
TheChumpNation
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The youtube ragebait merchants are annoying, but the numbers being "leaked" are in line with every other data point about this game's performance. I'd also have to imagine that within these studios there are at least a few employees who aren't as woke/progressive/etc as the overall company. Those people leaking some information to the Grummz and Endymions isn't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Congrats fellow incels, we may be looking at another rare victory.
Congrats fellow incels, we may be looking at another rare victory.
Plague Doctor
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Rage baiters or not, companies don't generally open up investigations on leakers if the information is bullshit.
Usually, it's for the opposite reason.
Usually, it's for the opposite reason.
StreetsofBeige
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The trend lately is the game decreasing in peak and low steam count about 1,000-1,500/day. The trend should slowly smooth out unless it can get a big BF deal or Xmas bump.
Weekends will bump it up, but by late next weekday, the daily low should be sub-10,000 by then.
It's an RPG, so it'll have legs instead of a fast freefall if it was a shooter.
Weekends will bump it up, but by late next weekday, the daily low should be sub-10,000 by then.
It's an RPG, so it'll have legs instead of a fast freefall if it was a shooter.
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IntentionalPun
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Isn’t the source of the “there’s an internal investigation going on” a “trust me bro”?
Plague Doctor
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This is true. If there is nothing going on, then it is indeed bullshit.
Humdinger
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It's reports from multiple sources, to different Youtubers. I suppose it could all be a coordinated con job between the Youtubers, but that is harder to believe than Bioware getting upset and trying to plug the leak(ers).
"Internal investigation" might be stretching it. It could be something less formal.
Hawk The Slayer
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They should definitely aim for much higher as a first announcement. 1 million as a first are okay with games like Stellar Blade, Granblue Relink, Like a Dragon, SH2 Remake. But is horrible for much higher budget games like Veilguard, Rebirth, Spiderman 2, FFXVI etc.
IntentionalPun
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Are any of these people not garden variety grifters?
They all seem like it to me.. the reason they’d claim there is an internal investigation going on would be to make their “leaks” sound more legit.
It’s not remotely hard for me to believe these click bait bullshit artists are bullshitting.
Could it all be true? Sure. But acting like that they say is gospel is clown shoes.
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Humdinger
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You can dismiss it all as "garden variety grifters" if you like. I don't see it that way. I don't find it plausible that all of them are all engaged in a coordinated attempt to con viewers. That doesn't jive to me. But hey, if that's your take, that's your take.
IntentionalPun
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None of this would take any coordination.
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