bitbydeath
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I love fantasy but that is taking it too far.
Fantastic Four: First Steps trailer - 2/4 at 4am PT/7am ET
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Lambogenie
Member
oh. Those don't sound very good.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
HRK69
Gold Member
I'm excited
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yep
It's funny how fast Disney/Hollywood can deflate my hype if I ever am interested in any of their stuff
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MrTroubleMaker
Member
Its going to be more trash...
SJRB
Gold Member
Good news folks!
lol..
Vanessa Kirby Confirms 'Fantastic Four: First Steps' Explores Gender Politics With Sue Storm
Actress Vanessa Kirby confirmed that Marvel Studios’ upcoming Fantastic Four: First Steps explores gender politics with her Sue Storm character.This Substack is reader-supported.fandompulse.substack.com
Joseph Quinn Spoke to Marvel About Johnny Storm and ‘Where We Are Culturally’: He Was ‘This Womanizing Guy, but Is That Sexy These Days? I Don’t Think So’
Joseph Quinn spoke to Marvel about Johnny Storm and where we are culturally before "Fantastic Four: The First Steps."variety.com
Fantastic Four: First Steps Makes Politically Charged MCU Changes to Characters Centered on Gender Politics and Masculinity
The cast of Fantastic Four: First Steps spoke about some alarming and seemingly politically charged changes to their characters in the MCU.thatparkplace.com
Hollywood needs to start beating political activism out of their actors. Stop casting these idiots.
They're all c-tier anyway, not exactly box office draws. This movie isn't your soap box to make statements on feminism or whatever, fuck off with that shit.
Lambogenie
Member
To me she already looks too old as well. But then so does Reed. But Sue looks botoxed too (my bad, if not...).
The funny thing is Alba has a business empire worth HUNDREDS of millions, so she is literally Sue Storm minus the invisibility
ChuckeRearmed
Member
You basically have a whole generation of people like that - and most of them went into movie industry and stuff. So it is hard to find even actors without political leanings like that. And that's without some older gens that went off rails.
Doom85
Member
Kirby is far more believable as a scientist than Jessica Alba, the latter was like the Alone in the Dark movie trying to convince me Tara Reid is an archaeologist (funny enough, Sue's doctorate in the comics is archaeology).
Alba was the sole miscast of the 2000's FF movies (well, Doom was handled poorly, but that wasn't Julian McMahon's fault but rather the script as Julian himself was a fairly good choice). It's not like Alba didn't try in the role, but they could have easily found more convincing actresses compared to her.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Kirby is far more believable as a scientist than Jessica Alba, the latter was like the Alone in the Dark movie trying to convince me Tara Reid is an archaeologist (funny enough, Sue's doctorate in the comics is archaeology).
Alba was the sole miscast of the 2000's FF movies (well, Doom was handled poorly, but that wasn't Julian McMahon's fault but rather the script as Julian himself was a fairly good choice). It's not like Alba didn't try in the role, but they could have easily found more convincing actresses compared to her.
There are beautiful women/men with doctorates in STEM fields ...
But I agree, Alba wasn't believable as Sue Storm. Had nothing to do with her looks, IMO,... More to do with her mannerisms
Doom85
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It wasn't simply her being beautiful in of itself. Alba goes for a specific Barbie-style of look which just contrasts with Sue Storm IMHO. Kate Mara is very attractive and, aside from the bad wig and the 2015 movie itself being shit of course, that didn't contrast me believing she's a scientist. Hell, Kerry Washington is gorgeous in the 2000's FF movies and I could believe her being a scientist if she played one.
If Alba can sing well (?), she could play a character like Dazzler from X-men well enough. I just don't think she was a good fit for Sue.
I will absolutely stand 100% on my Tara Reid take. She plays every role I've even her in like she can barely mentally register what anyone is telling her. But to be fair, if someone know a film/show she actually did well in, feel free to shout it out, I have no problems with a pleasant surprise.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Alba was garbage in FF (and everything else that last can't act.)
I'll have you know, good sir, that in Alone in the Dark the glasses made her 1000% more convincing!
and a CLIPBOARD! Mustn't forget the clipboard! All the best scientists carry one!
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Oh, she got it where it counts....
Too bad it didn't make those previous Fantastic Four movies good...
Just think about all the nasty stuff she was doing while invisible.
Queso de Grande
Member
Will they set Reed up to be the Maker? That could be a good villain to build for an avengers.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yep it's boring as hell
I hope it's just them giving out shitty interviews but I doubt it. They be doubling down when they know that stuff doesn't sell lol
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Shit looks whack compared to the more vibrant and cooler Fantastic Four with Jessica Alba back in the 2000s. I'll still give it a chance eventually, I went through the horrible Captain Marvels 2 a.k.a the Marvels and Madam Web so I can definitely stomach through this too as I doubt this one could be any worse. Basically my expectation is low for this cause at worse it'll be even worse than that lame Fantastic Four reboot around a decade ago and at best it'll be better than that one but still doubt it'll be as entertaining as the original two Live Fantastic Four movie whose only con is messing up Galactus.
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yet_another_alt
Member
I always felt that MCU Kang should have been about a more selfish Stark that wants to get back the life he missed with his daughter cause of time travel and/or infinity stone fuckery to stand in contrast with the Endgame Stark that sacrificed himself. Maybe I'll still get something like that in some form.Sadly Manabyte isn't here to debate this, but what was he saying about how RDzjs Dr Doom has NOTHING TO DO with Tony Stark??????
GymWolf
Gold Member
These fuckers really enjoy burning money uh?!Good news folks!
lol..
Vanessa Kirby Confirms 'Fantastic Four: First Steps' Explores Gender Politics With Sue Storm
Actress Vanessa Kirby confirmed that Marvel Studios’ upcoming Fantastic Four: First Steps explores gender politics with her Sue Storm character.This Substack is reader-supported.Joseph Quinn Spoke to Marvel About Johnny Storm and ‘Where We Are Culturally’: He Was ‘This Womanizing Guy, but Is That Sexy These Days? I Don’t Think So’
Joseph Quinn spoke to Marvel about Johnny Storm and where we are culturally before "Fantastic Four: The First Steps."Fantastic Four: First Steps Makes Politically Charged MCU Changes to Characters Centered on Gender Politics and Masculinity
The cast of Fantastic Four: First Steps spoke about some alarming and seemingly politically charged changes to their characters in the MCU.
Ulysses 31
Member
Yup! Captain America 4 was a flop and Thunderbolts is tracking below The Eternals so far.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
How could you track below Eternals....that was an awful movie.Yup! Captain America 4 was a flop and Thunderbolts is tracking below The Eternals so far.
Looks like 70 mill so far, which is a DISASTER if it has the same legs many of the recent marvel films have had (which is to say...none at all). Since most of this cast were pulled from Black Widow and some D+ tv shows I doubt it has the international appeal needed to make up for a weak domestic response. Marvel is gonna take another L on this one as i seriously doubt its gonna break 400 mill worldwide, much less the 500-600+ it needs to actually be profitable off a 200 mill budget and 50-100 mill ad spend.
Manabyte was INSISTENT that wasn't the case. Like really really insistent. Not sure why other than a specific tasking to try to counter that narrative. It's painfully obvious though that this is the case and Doom will go a heel turn into a 'good' Stark at some point.
Doom85
Member
Does anyone actually have a link to the full interview? Because if you actually read the quote from the Russo Bros, there's a lot of jumping to conclusions here.
www.yahoo.com
They are asked about Tony's sacrifice in Endgame. The Russo Bros say:
"We can't explain that as it's part of the story. But there's nobody else in the world who could play this character the way he's about to."
That's it. That's the entire quote. Everything else is purely the article's interpretation.
So what the Russo Bros actually said:
-Tony's sacrifice is relevant to the STORY of these two Avengers films. They don't specify Doom himself. They said the STORY
-no one can play the character the way RDJ can. Okay? I mean, we saw RDJ give his own unique spin on Tony. Tony is not a frequently snarky guy in the comics (at least pre-MCU) like the way RDJ played him. That's was all RDJ.
Come on, jason, really? I was already suffering a headache from your "let's make Cyclops and Doom each others' archenemies" take (that's like suggesting Ron be the main threat to Voldemort in a Harry Potter adaptation, just NO), then you say this? Yes, they should totally kneecap one and a half Avengers movies with Doom as the main threat just so Peter can say, "Mr. Stark", that totally seems like a sane choice. Like, WHO would be the villain then?
This would be like redeeming Thanos at the 2/3 mark of Endgame and now Ebony Maw is the main threat. Oh boy, wouldn't that be exciting?
Honestly, at this point, I'm so tired of hearing this shit, I hope THIS happens at the climax of Secret Wars:
The heroes have gathered in greater numbers after their initial defeat at the end of Doomsday. While Peter does see Victor's face and notices the resemblance to Tony, though Reed and everyone else assures Peter it's just an aspect of the multiverse (see Chris Evans being Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers) and not actually Tony in any way, Peter still naively tries to convince Victor to stop. But as the heroes struggle to defeat Doom, suddenly another dimensional portal opens and an alternate version of Tony Stark (played by RDJ) steps through:
Peter: Mr. Stark?
Tony: Huh. I don't think you're my Peter but still. You a pain in my ass too? (gives a warm smile)
Peter: (smiles) Mr. Stark, thank god, we could really use your help right n-
Dr. Doom swoops in and grabs Tony's reactor (this version apparently never got the surgery to remove it) and violently rips it out out of his chest. Tony falls down to his knees in pain, barely holding in.
Peter: NNNNNOOOOO!!!!!
Tony: K-kid, run-
Dr. Doom: Oh, Stark. You never realized, did you? Genius alone only gets you so far. Keep trying to struggle against gods, and eventually, your luck will always run out.
(fully blasts Tony, atomizing his body away)
Peter is speechless. Doom stares at the blasted ground, then turns to Peter.
Dr. Doom: Now, where were we? Oh yes, you were trying to appeal to my supposed better nature, right? After all, I'm apparently Tony Stark (let's out an amused, vile snicker), right?!
Peter screams and lunges at Doom.
Now THAT would be fucking epic. Not some "let's turn Doom into a good guy" nonsense.
The Russo Brothers Confirm Tony Stark’s Death in Endgame is Part of Doctor Doom’s Story in Avengers: Doomsday
Marvel fans, get ready for a multiversal shake-up like never before! The Russo Brothers have finally broken their silence on their highly anticipated return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, confirming… The post The Russo Brothers Confirm Tony Stark’s Death in Endgame is Part of Doctor Doom’s...
They are asked about Tony's sacrifice in Endgame. The Russo Bros say:
"We can't explain that as it's part of the story. But there's nobody else in the world who could play this character the way he's about to."
That's it. That's the entire quote. Everything else is purely the article's interpretation.
So what the Russo Bros actually said:
-Tony's sacrifice is relevant to the STORY of these two Avengers films. They don't specify Doom himself. They said the STORY
-no one can play the character the way RDJ can. Okay? I mean, we saw RDJ give his own unique spin on Tony. Tony is not a frequently snarky guy in the comics (at least pre-MCU) like the way RDJ played him. That's was all RDJ.
Come on, jason, really? I was already suffering a headache from your "let's make Cyclops and Doom each others' archenemies" take (that's like suggesting Ron be the main threat to Voldemort in a Harry Potter adaptation, just NO), then you say this? Yes, they should totally kneecap one and a half Avengers movies with Doom as the main threat just so Peter can say, "Mr. Stark", that totally seems like a sane choice. Like, WHO would be the villain then?
This would be like redeeming Thanos at the 2/3 mark of Endgame and now Ebony Maw is the main threat. Oh boy, wouldn't that be exciting?
Honestly, at this point, I'm so tired of hearing this shit, I hope THIS happens at the climax of Secret Wars:
The heroes have gathered in greater numbers after their initial defeat at the end of Doomsday. While Peter does see Victor's face and notices the resemblance to Tony, though Reed and everyone else assures Peter it's just an aspect of the multiverse (see Chris Evans being Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers) and not actually Tony in any way, Peter still naively tries to convince Victor to stop. But as the heroes struggle to defeat Doom, suddenly another dimensional portal opens and an alternate version of Tony Stark (played by RDJ) steps through:
Peter: Mr. Stark?
Tony: Huh. I don't think you're my Peter but still. You a pain in my ass too? (gives a warm smile)
Peter: (smiles) Mr. Stark, thank god, we could really use your help right n-
Dr. Doom swoops in and grabs Tony's reactor (this version apparently never got the surgery to remove it) and violently rips it out out of his chest. Tony falls down to his knees in pain, barely holding in.
Peter: NNNNNOOOOO!!!!!
Tony: K-kid, run-
Dr. Doom: Oh, Stark. You never realized, did you? Genius alone only gets you so far. Keep trying to struggle against gods, and eventually, your luck will always run out.
(fully blasts Tony, atomizing his body away)
Peter is speechless. Doom stares at the blasted ground, then turns to Peter.
Dr. Doom: Now, where were we? Oh yes, you were trying to appeal to my supposed better nature, right? After all, I'm apparently Tony Stark (let's out an amused, vile snicker), right?!
Peter screams and lunges at Doom.
Now THAT would be fucking epic. Not some "let's turn Doom into a good guy" nonsense.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Does anyone actually have a link to the full interview? Because if you actually read the quote from the Russo Bros, there's a lot of jumping to conclusions here.
The Russo Brothers Confirm Tony Stark’s Death in Endgame is Part of Doctor Doom’s Story in Avengers: Doomsday
Marvel fans, get ready for a multiversal shake-up like never before! The Russo Brothers have finally broken their silence on their highly anticipated return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, confirming… The post The Russo Brothers Confirm Tony Stark’s Death in Endgame is Part of Doctor Doom’s...
They are asked about Tony's sacrifice in Endgame. The Russo Bros say:
"We can't explain that as it's part of the story. But there's nobody else in the world who could play this character the way he's about to."
That's it. That's the entire quote. Everything else is purely the article's interpretation.
So what the Russo Bros actually said:
-Tony's sacrifice is relevant to the STORY of these two Avengers films. They don't specify Doom himself. They said the STORY
-no one can play the character the way RDJ can. Okay? I mean, we saw RDJ give his own unique spin on Tony. Tony is not a frequently snarky guy in the comics (at least pre-MCU) like the way RDJ played him. That's was all RDJ.
Come on, jason, really? I was already suffering a headache from your "let's make Cyclops and Doom each others' archenemies" take (that's like suggesting Ron be the main threat to Voldemort in a Harry Potter adaptation, just NO), then you say this? Yes, they should totally kneecap one and a half Avengers movies with Doom as the main threat just so Peter can say, "Mr. Stark", that totally seems like a sane choice. Like, WHO would be the villain then?
This would be like redeeming Thanos at the 2/3 mark of Endgame and now Ebony Maw is the main threat. Oh boy, wouldn't that be exciting?
Honestly, at this point, I'm so tired of hearing this shit, I hope THIS happens at the climax of Secret Wars:
The heroes have gathered in greater numbers after their initial defeat at the end of Doomsday. While Peter does see Victor's face and notices the resemblance to Tony, though Reed and everyone else assures Peter it's just an aspect of the multiverse (see Chris Evans being Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers) and not actually Tony in any way, Peter still naively tries to convince Victor to stop. But as the heroes struggle to defeat Doom, suddenly another dimensional portal opens and an alternate version of Tony Stark (played by RDJ) steps through:
Peter: Mr. Stark?
Tony: Huh. I don't think you're my Peter but still. You a pain in my ass too? (gives a warm smile)
Peter: (smiles) Mr. Stark, thank god, we could really use your help right n-
Dr. Doom swoops in and grabs Tony's reactor (this version apparently never got the surgery to remove it) and violently rips it out out of his chest. Tony falls down to his knees in pain, barely holding in.
Peter: NNNNNOOOOO!!!!!
Tony: K-kid, run-
Dr. Doom: Oh, Stark. You never realized, did you? Genius alone only gets you so far. Keep trying to struggle against gods, and eventually, your luck will always run out.
(fully blasts Tony, atomizing his body away)
Peter is speechless. Doom stares at the blasted ground, then turns to Peter.
Dr. Doom: Now, where were we? Oh yes, you were trying to appeal to my supposed better nature, right? After all, I'm apparently Tony Stark (let's out an amused, vile snicker), right?!
Peter screams and lunges at Doom.
Now THAT would be fucking epic. Not some "let's turn Doom into a good guy" nonsense.
Doom85
Member
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT there will be a Doom to 'good guy' moment to deal with Galactus or whatever, and that move will be due to Doom seeing hopw he COULD have been in the Stark world. Nothing else makes sense having RDJ back as Doom, its literally the only reason. Otherwise it would be a HUGE distraction, both for the in movie characters and for the audience. Even if RDJ keeps a mask on (which he 100% will NOT), the mannerisms and voice will be close enough.
Jinxed
Member
He'd be telling us how gender politics is a good thing for this movie
Doom85
Member
Or whatever? You don't even have a good answer for who to replace Doom as the main threat will be. Galactus? He will already be faced off in the first FF movie this summer, we're supposed to get hyped for him as the villain of Secret Wars? Ah man, the FF alone fared well against him, I can't wait to see how high the stakes will be when they have to face Galactus again……but now with the Avengers and X-men helping the FF! The audience will be on the edge of their seats!
I mean, sure, Scott and Hope beat Kang (a severely weakened one, but complainers often ignore that detail), but at least The Kang Dynasty would have had a ton of Kangs to face off against. What you're suggesting is to get the audience invested in who will win on a level of a match of the heroes holding the straight flush versus the villain with a pair of 4's. Not exactly exciting.
Doom is the villain of Secret Wars. The concept art makes it clear they're adapting the 2015 Secret Wars. It's Doom. There is no one else. You're focusing WAY too much on the actor and not what makes any level of sense for the story.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
You really think Galactus will be a one and done? Only in an FF movie from an alternate universe? I'm saving your message for when Secret War comes out (will probably still forget tho).
Or whatever? You don't even have a good answer for who to replace Doom as the main threat will be. Galactus? He will already be faced off in the first FF movie this summer, we're supposed to get hyped for him as the villain of Secret Wars? Ah man, the FF alone fared well against him, I can't wait to see how high the stakes will be when they have to face Galactus again……but now with the Avengers and X-men helping the FF! The audience will be on the edge of their seats!
I mean, sure, Scott and Hope beat Kang (a severely weakened one, but complainers often ignore that detail), but at least The Kang Dynasty would have had a ton of Kangs to face off against. What you're suggesting is to get the audience invested in who will win on a level of a match of the heroes holding the straight flush versus the villain with a pair of 4's. Not exactly exciting.
Doom is the villain of Secret Wars. The concept art makes it clear they're adapting the 2015 Secret Wars. It's Doom.
Also you already seen FF? You know they won over Galactus? Damn you have an exclusive thread to make then!
Because they casted RDJ for a reason. Marvel is desperate and they don't want the most loved actor to leave.
Oh yeah because the priority for Marvel is clearly to tell good stories, especially the last few years...
Doom85
Member
One and done? No. But you're kidding yourself if you think they would build up Dr. Doom throughout Doomsday and Secret Wars only to abruptly sideline him for Galactus. I mean, Zemo wasn't dead at the end of Civil War, did you think he was going to sideline Thanos abruptly in Endgame, because that would make as much sense, AKA none, as just randomly forcing Galactus into Secret Wars.
I never said they won. You should actually read my post. I said they fared well. They're listed in the cast of Avengers Doomsday, they obviously don't get annihilated.
He is leaving after Secret Wars. The only thing that's desperate is all the spins people will pull to justify their blind MCU hate, like, I dunno:
See? You haven't even seen a trailer and you're apparently assuming Doomsday and Secret Wars' story will be bad. Thanks for proving my point.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I mean, the plots for Infinity War and Endgame were weak. In fact, most MCU films have laughable plot lines.
However, nobody goes into these films expecting grand storytelling. The films are fun, or as Martin Scorsese once said, they're like theme park rides. Just turn off your brain entertainment.
I'm actually looking forward to Secret Wars as well just to see how bat shit crazy it gets. I don't care about plot.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Why introduce THE Galactus now with the FF movie if it's not to capitalize on him for an Avengers movie? All I'm saying is you are assuming a lot of things for Marvel which is in a shitty cycle right now.One and done? No. But you're kidding yourself if you think they would build up Dr. Doom throughout Doomsday and Secret Wars only to abruptly sideline him for Galactus. I mean, Zemo wasn't dead at the end of Civil War, did you think he was going to sideline Thanos abruptly in Endgame, because that would make as much sense, AKA none, as just randomly forcing Galactus into Secret Wars.
I never said they won. You should actually read my post. I said they fared well. They're listed in the cast of Avengers Doomsday, they obviously don't get annihilated.
I'm pretty sure it's gonna be like "OH SHIT HE CHASED US INTO THIS UNIVERSE FUUUUUUUUUCK".
Oh yeah, because until they start making good movies again, I'm going to assume everything is shit, indeed. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
I hope I'm wrong, but...
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The FF are going to come to the 616 universe because Galactus devours their world. The FF are NOT in the 616 currently because their Earth is far more advanced than the 616 Earth.
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Doom is not going to be a "good guy" ... He's the villain in Doomsday and Secret Wars. After SW, someone else will be Doom. Rdj is only doom for the finale of the Multiverse Saga
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Yeah, I remember the posts. I could see a couple different angles for how they play it but there will of course be a connection. Otherwise it's like casting Harrison Ford in the new Indy movie but he just plays some random Nazi. Would be just stupid.
Doom85
Member
LOL, are you equating Galactus' popularity with DR. DOOM?!
Well, then I can't take your arguments even remotely seriously. Good day, sir.
Eh, there MUST be a redemptive arc in there somewhere. NONE of the current heroes have ANY arc, they are all perfect. Sam has no where to grow. Doubt any of the Thunderbolts do either. Same with all those other C-tier wakandas and iron girl and whatnot. Thor has given up any notion of leadership or responsibility a half dozen times, so doubt he's gonna step up to the plate now.
So if they want an actual interesting character arc, it's gonna have to be Doom coming 'round to do some good. At the very least in a "enemy of my enemy...." kinda way.
I'm pretty sure they will have Wanda, Thanos, and Doom all teaming up against a greater bad guy. The MCU villain roster is by now the far more interesting cast compared to the bland heroes they got.