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[rofif]

just proves these ports are a waste of time and money.
This game sold millions on ps5. It's an amazing game.
PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to with some souls examples etc (like monster hunter obviously).

On the other hand, the port was probably cheap... but the deal with sony too keep it exclusive would probably be more valuable to them and to sony

 

[rofif]

The game sold bad because XV damaged the brand by releasing a half finished game, i have a soft spot for XV because whats left of Versus 13 shows it could have been a great game but man the average joe didn't think it was any good and thought the later half was trash (especially chapter 13) 7 Remake had nostalgia and came out during COVID lockdowns and still couldn't match XV's sales.

XV might be half finished but it's still incredible, special game. I just launched it to fool around last week and it looks incredible, music is outstanding, magic looks crazy.
I just loved the adventure with the boys feel and this was always the center of versus game too. So it is the original vision. Just with cuts.
It sold great but it damaged the brand and I can't understand why. People don't know what a good game is

 

[rubik's dude]

I wasn't even sure Square could release a competent video game anymore. After XIII, XIV 1.0, and XV, as far as I was concerned, Final Fantasy was dead lmao.

XVI was exactly what it needed to be; a competent and complete game, which was a very low bar, but what can you do. Wanting it to be anything more after a decade of shitty mainline titles in a row is an issue of unrealistic expectations given the situation at the time.

 

[Oberstein]

The days of FF selling 10m+ copies within it's first year are probably over.

It's still quite possible. SE just needs to listen to the players, that's all.

We're talking about a license that has sold 195 million units worldwide. It has its low point, like Zelda. All they need to do is find their Botw to revive the hype around the license.

 

[Fbh]

The game sold bad because XV damaged the brand by releasing a half finished game, i have a soft spot for XV because whats left of Versus 13 shows it could have been a great game but man the average joe didn't think it was any good and thought the later half was trash (especially chapter 13) 7 Remake had nostalgia and came out during COVID lockdowns and still couldn't match XV's sales.

The marketing for FFXV was pretty insane too.
They had concerts, a full high budget CGI movie, free anime shorts on youtube, tons of crossover events with big brands, had it on Conan, etc

 

[Punished Miku]

just proves these ports are a waste of time and money.

Monster Hunter Wilds

 

[rofif]

Monster Hunter Wilds

what does that have to do with square enix and ff16. Different genre entirely. Different time of release (on day1)... everything is different

 

[DaciaJC]

just proves these ports are a waste of time and money.
This game sold millions on ps5. It's an amazing game.
PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to with some souls examples etc (like monster hunter obviously).

On the other hand, the port was probably cheap... but the deal with sony too keep it exclusive would probably be more valuable to them and to sony

Baldur's Gate 3 came out less than two years ago and was an enormous success, mainly thanks to the PC audience.
Path of Exile 2 had upwards of half a million concurrent players when it launched in EA last December.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance II was just released last month and has been doing fantastically well on PC.

Seriously, where the fuck is this bullshit about PC players not "appreciating" SP games coming from? Seen it quite a few times now on this forum and it makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Punished Miku]

what does that have to do with square enix and ff16. Different genre entirely. Different time of release (on day1)... everything is different

MH is what happens when you start a multiplatform policy and build an audience with it for years. 16 is what happens when you dont.

 

[rofif]

Baldur's Gate 3 came out less than two years ago and was an enormous success, mainly thanks to the PC audience.
Path of Exile 2 had upwards of half a million concurrent players when it launched in EA last December.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance II was just released last month and has been doing fantastically well on PC.

Seriously, where the fuck is this bullshit about PC players not "appreciating" SP games coming from? Seen it quite a few times now on this forum and it makes absolutely no sense.

complete nonsense that has nothing to do with final fantasy 16.
You just gave example or popular pc types of games and these were day1 releases too.

Brains. Do you got em.
It was clear that ff16 will sell like shit on pc, the moment we knew what type of game it is and that it will come year late.
You can see even square knew that because of 40$ price.
Pc players love pc games and gaas. Simple as that.

The only exception I could think of that I would've guessed would sell amazing but sold like shit is Returnal.
To me, Returnal always seemed like a pc game and I was expecting it to sell amazing on pc which it did not.

 

[rofif]

MH is what happens when you start a multiplatform policy and build an audience with it for years. 16 is what happens when you dont.

These are different games for different markets. monster hunter is very popular in china too which boosts numbers.
And day1. which is huge for new games obviously... and full price.
ff16 came out year late and for lowered price suggesting "cheap game" and the sales show that.
Meanwhile\, on ps5 release it was full of hype and it sold millions... and still not enough.

Also, Monster Hunter is more like soulsy grinder game in a way. not gaas or anything but got semblance of this type of game.
But ff16 is just a story action game.

 

[Punished Miku]

These are different games for different markets. monster hunter is very popular in china too which boosts numbers.
And day1. which is huge for new games obviously... and full price.
ff16 came out year late and for lowered price suggesting "cheap game" and the sales show that.
Meanwhile\, on ps5 release it was full of hype and it sold millions... and still not enough.

Also, Monster Hunter is more like soulsy grinder game in a way. not gaas or anything but got semblance of this type of game.
But ff16 is just a story action game.

FF should clearly be popular in China if SQEX wasn't retarded

 

[rofif]

FF should clearly be popular in China if SQEX wasn't retarded

Yeah sounds like it.
But what Square did wrong? It's a great game.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yeah sounds like it.
But what Square did wrong? It's a great game.

Failed to build a broad fan base with regular releases on all systems in a predictable way.

 

[rofif]

Failed to build a broad fan base with regular releases on all systems in a predictable way.

idk if games need regular releases. And final fantasy is all about not being connected with each other.
I only played 7 remake, rebirth, XV and 16 though and loved all of them (well rebirth is a bit of a bloaty mess)

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The marketing for FFXV was pretty insane too.
They had concerts, a full high budget CGI movie, free anime shorts on youtube, tons of crossover events with big brands, had it on Conan, etc

FF XV sold over 10 million total and was pretty successful on PC, wasn’t it? Steam Spy has it at 2M-5M sold.

I really think the failure of XVI was because it just doesn’t have that much substance or staying power. No control over your party composition or abilities, only 1 weapon type, no interesting loot, nothing interesting to explore, no mystery, no real secrets. It was like some 7/10 Netflix show that you binge watch and mildly enjoy, then you move on and forget about it.

XV for all its faults at least felt like it had some substance to it. It at least felt like there was something to really sink my teeth into and spend time with. The only thing I felt with XVI most of the time was boredom and apathy. I’m not surprised that it didn’t find an audience on PC

 

[tamago84]

story sounds cringe as hell, some game of thrones ripoff. Not touching this garbage

 

[Ozriel]

just proves these ports are a waste of time and money.
This game sold millions on ps5. It's an amazing game.
PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to with some souls examples etc (like monster hunter obviously).

It certainly didn’t sell gangbusters on PS5.

The PC port would very likely already be profitable at 200k units.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Monster Hunter Wilds

 

[Skifi28]

MH is what happens when you start a multiplatform policy and build an audience with it for years. 16 is what happens when you dont.

Ironically, both World and Rise released on PC with a year delay and still sold many millions. Bad example, very different games and circumstances.

 

[cireza]

If your game is a turd, you are better off releasing it on as many platforms as possible all at once, in order to fuck more buyers into buying it at launch. Common sense.

Or you can make a good game.

 

[Moochi]

People keep saying its a game of thrones ripoff, but other than the dire wolf, and being about kingdoms at war, it's very superficial. SQENIX wishes they could write dialogue like GRRM.

 

[rofif]

It certainly didn’t sell gangbusters on PS5.

The PC port would very likely already be profitable at 200k units.

Rumors have it at 5 million for ps5... and mind you... the game was 70$ on release.
Meanwhile pc is 40$... and plenty got it for 30$ on cdkeys anyway.
So 200-300k is just embarrassing. The port took a year to develop. But we don't know if it was 1-2 guys working on it or a small team

 

[Kacho]

Thank god they put out a demo. Noped out quick and saved myself money. Absolute garbage.

 

[rofif]

Thank god they put out a demo. Noped out quick and saved myself money. Absolute garbage.

That might be the best demo for a video game I've ever played. (ok or stellar blade)
Seriously. This demo was so fucking good, that if you didn't like it, what the hell are you doing touching single player games like this.
PEAK production values, cinema and music. Almost makes the rest of the game worse by how good that demo is.
And it's almost 2 hours for free.

 

[Katatonic]

Making FFXIII multiplatform late into development fucked up the course of the franchise's history imo. And for what?

 

[TGO]

While not releasing day one definitely effected the sales, I really don't know what they was expecting.
While the userbase is there, rarely games do big numbers on PC.
I mean when they do, they do really well, but even with AAA games this is par for the course.

 

[diffusionx]

Actual Japanese RPGs are more popular than ever and Square insists on turning Final Fantasy into this slop. Just make an actual RPG, like FFX.

Thank god they put out a demo. Noped out quick and saved myself money. Absolute garbage.

demo was the best part of the game by far.

 

[Sentenza]

Thank god they put out a demo. Noped out quick and saved myself money. Absolute garbage.

Yep. We had a thread about the demo release on Steam.
Most of the commenters there (myself included) seemed to agree the game came off as fucking dreadful from it.

Cutscene after cutscene sloppily gluing together dull and super-linear "gameplay sequences".

 

[DaciaJC]

complete nonsense that has nothing to do with final fantasy 16.
You just gave example or popular pc types of games and these were day1 releases too.
Brains. Do you got em.

I gave three examples of recent successful single-player PC games from different genres in direct response to your claim:

PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to with some souls examples etc (like monster hunter obviously).

So what the hell are you even trying to say, that they don't count because ... reasons? Because they're "PC types" of games, whatever that means? All three of them are multi-platform, for crying out loud!

 

[MMaRsu]

I take it you won't be buying GTAVI on PC at full price then?

It'll be "old" by the time it comes to PC.

Please tell me you'll pirate it. That's exactly why PC doesn't get GTA day and date to begin with. If that isn't the reason, why do you think it is? Please tell me you have a theory.

If you really think Rockstar does that because of piracy, then I have a bridge to sell you bud.

They do it because its profitable

 

[rofif]

I gave three examples of recent successful single-player PC games from different genres in direct response to your claim:


So what the hell are you even trying to say, that they don't count because ... reasons? Because they're "PC types" of games, whatever that means? All three of them are multi-platform, for crying out loud!

They don’t count because these are completely different games released in different circumstances.
Ff16 is one of best single player games I’ve ever played and to see it not getting any traction on pc is shaming to pc players honestly.
Sure it’s not for everyone and it’s not perfect but holy fuck what a game.
Same with returnal. Pc players should know better.

It doesn’t matter what examples you post. There are no rules to this or patterns. Each game is different.

 

[fart town usa]

Im sorry but it's a truly awful game.

I always say, happy for those who enjoyed it, but there's nothing wrong with recognizing a turd for what it is. I like plenty of things that I'd also call turds.

 

[Spiral1407]

The gameplay is poor man's DMC and the port sucks ass, so I'm not surprised...

XV might be half finished but it's still incredible, special game. I just launched it to fool around last week and it looks incredible, music is outstanding, magic looks crazy.
I just loved the adventure with the boys feel and this was always the center of versus game too. So it is the original vision. Just with cuts.
It sold great but it damaged the brand and I can't understand why. People don't know what a good game is

I'm convinced you must be on Square's payroll. XV is one of the worst games I've ever played.

The story makes absolutely no sense, the gameplay is piss easy due to the automation and the visuals are nothing special for PS4. It actually reminds me a lot of Sonic 06 (minus the bugs ofc).
At least the other underwhelming FF games like XIII and XVI had some redeeming qualities. I can't name a single thing I liked in XV other than the music.

 

[diffusionx]

Ff16 is one of best single player games I’ve ever played and to see it not getting any traction on pc is shaming to pc players honestly.

Play better games man

 

[Myths]

One thing is clear: the Japanese must not try to copy the West.

Final Fantasy has to go back to its roots and feature a fantastical world that makes you dream, with a team that you care about. Now, I know there's a debate between ATB and turn-based, but Baldur's Gate 3 has shown that you can make a callback by doing something that isn't aimed at the general public and still be a big hit.

Make a game with Amano's art in motion and I'll be the happiest man alive!

No. They can do both by having a series dedicated to just fulfilling nostalgic driven individuals and another for experimentation. There are plenty of games you can go play incorporating what you’re asking for (including the old ones). Devs can be inspired by either region, doesn’t matter since the series started inspired by Ultima and Wizardry.

 

[GHG]

MH is what happens when you start a multiplatform policy and build an audience with it for years. 16 is what happens when you dont.

Maybe you're not familiar with the series, but the vast majority of monster hunter games have had an initial period of platform exclusivity.

 

[Sentenza]

Maybe you're not familiar with the series, but the vast majority of monster hunter games have had an initial period of platform exclusivity.

The early chapters of Monster Hunter weren't even officially exported outside of Japan, if you put it in these terms.

Incidentally, reconsidering that myopic strategy is exactly what turned the series into Capcom's biggest international seller.

 

[Self_Destructive]

This is what happens when you make your games exclusive to Playstation. Nobody else wants to buy them a year or more later at near full price. All you have to do is look at every other Japanese publisher who's killing it on PC now after adopting day 1 releases and building a solid rapport with PC gamers.. like Capcom, Fromsoft, and so on..

Thankfully SquareEnix realized their mistake and are correcting it. No more Playstation exclusive Final Fantasy games EVER.

 

[DaciaJC]

It doesn’t matter what examples you post. There are no rules to this or patterns. Each game is different.

Good, I'm glad we're now on the same page, Mister "PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to." A stripped-down, RPG-in-name-only sort of game like FF16 not finding success on PC says nothing about the audience no longer caring for SP experiences. If I understand correctly, it didn't even do all that amazing on console, either.

 

[rofif]

Play better games man

I probably played more games than you ever will...

 

[rofif]

The gameplay is poor man's DMC and the port sucks ass, so I'm not surprised...

I'm convinced you must be on Square's payroll. XV is one of the worst games I've ever played.

The story makes absolutely no sense, the gameplay is piss easy due to the automation and the visuals are nothing special for PS4. It actually reminds me a lot of Sonic 06 (minus the bugs ofc).
At least the other underwhelming FF games like XIII and XVI had some redeeming qualities. I can't name a single thing I liked in XV other than the music.

You must be really tight to not enjoy XV.
It's just so good. idk. Story makes perfect sense to me. But the gameplay, graphics. Just the vibe of the game.
If you think that XV gameplay is automation of holding 1 button, shows clearly how the gameplay learning curve flew right over your head.
I have no idea how one can not appreciate that game.

Good, I'm glad we're now on the same page, Mister "PC players don't appreciate single player games as much as they used to." A stripped-down, RPG-in-name-only sort of game like FF16 not finding success on PC says nothing about the audience no longer caring for SP experiences. If I understand correctly, it didn't even do all that amazing on console, either.

And so was mass effect 2 which is one of best games ever.
Doesn't matter how much stripped down of an rpg it is.
FF 7 remake and rebirth are not real rpg games either.
XVI is just a good game. Don't care in what genre it is

 

[Brigandier]

I liked the game overall but man the combat was so easy and boring if it wasn't an Eikon boss fight.

The damage sponge enemies and lack of any real feel of strength/Force in Clive's moves was very poor... The battle system needed more time and there wasn't enough Eikon battles.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Like Concord, Horizon Lego, Horizon ZD remaster, and Until Dawn?

I think it's time to admit that the audience on PC and audience on consoles simply dont have the same taste. Plenty of third party games launch on PC day one and we know they max out at 10-15%.

None of those games you've mentioned are good, and who wants a Horizon ZD remaster when the original game is serviceable?

 

[Brigandier]

You must be really tight to not enjoy XV.
It's just so good. idk. Story makes perfect sense to me. But the gameplay, graphics. Just the vibe of the game.
If you think that XV gameplay is automation of holding 1 button, shows clearly how the gameplay learning curve flew right over your head.
I have no idea how one can not appreciate that game.

And so was mass effect 2 which is one of best games ever.
Doesn't matter how much stripped down of an rpg it is.
FF 7 remake and rebirth are not real rpg games either.
XVI is just a good game. Don't care in what genre it is

Man you really are a toxic poster here.... Do you just argue with everyone?

 

[Spiral1407]

You must be really tight to not enjoy XV.
It's just so good. idk. Story makes perfect sense to me. But the gameplay, graphics. Just the vibe of the game.
If you think that XV gameplay is automation of holding 1 button, shows clearly how the gameplay learning curve flew right over your head.
I have no idea how one can not appreciate that game.

What learning curve? I effortlessly beat the game doing the exact same thing I was doing at the start. It's ridiculously easy, and the systems are so broken that you can pretty much get infinite healing after the first few hours. Don't even get me started on that mess they call a "story"...

 

[kazuyamishima]

I know that some users and even SE throws Sony under the Bus.

But even if the game was released day and date on PC, I dunno that numbers would have been very different from what they are.

Even the better game, Rebirth, is not so hot anymore.

 

[rsouzadk]

Just release it day one.

 

[rofif]

Man you really are a toxic poster here.... Do you just argue with everyone?

Shitting on final fantasy XV will not stand. It's an amazing game.
How am I a toxic poster for arguing for one of my fav games? are u kidding me. Oldest debate on the internet lol. one game vs another.

What learning curve? I effortlessly beat the game doing the exact same thing I was doing at the start. It's ridiculously easy, and the systems are so broken that you can pretty much get infinite healing after the first few hours. And don't even get me started on that mess they call a "story"...

idk. maybe the game is more than sum of it's parts for me.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

The gameplay is poor man's DMC and the port sucks ass, so I'm not surprised...

I'm convinced you must be on Square's payroll. XV is one of the worst games I've ever played.

The story makes absolutely no sense, the gameplay is piss easy due to the automation and the visuals are nothing special for PS4. It actually reminds me a lot of Sonic 06 (minus the bugs ofc).
At least the other underwhelming FF games like XIII and XVI had some redeeming qualities. I can't name a single thing I liked in XV other than the music.

15 70% of the game is. The One main quest is To get to some city to meet some chick because reasons.
Game is a terrible and a terrible game.