RetroGamingUK
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Is Pc gaming in a bad place right now?
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UnrealEck
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You really need an RTX 5090 anything else is pointless and those are like 12 thousand dorra. Even if you manage to get one you still can't even play Wukong at 8K with path tracing above 11 FPS.
Just buy a PS5 Pro consoles have much more optimisations per seconds even more than an RTX 5080 with water cooling.
Just buy a PS5 Pro consoles have much more optimisations per seconds even more than an RTX 5080 with water cooling.
Schmendrick
Member
You're not as funny as you might think.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Pegasus Actual
Member
Madserb2023
Member
Only in price regarding the high end. PC has probably never been supported so extensively as now especially with Sony first party games. In regards to optimisation issues and games being unfinished; it may be a bit worse on PC but consoles aren't far behind.
badblue
Gold Member
PC gaming makes sense when you realize that not every games needs to be pushing the limits of the hardware all the time.
I don't need a powerful system to run Rimworld. Or any of the Civilization titles. Or Stardew Valley.
dcx4610
Member
You can still put together a cheap build but if you want the best, prepare to pay thousands. I used to put together new builds every 3-5 years for about $1200. Now, a similar build is going to run me at least $3000 and I just can't justify that. I'll probably just upgrade my GPU and keep everything else.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It could be for others, but my PC gaming experience is fine.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's kinda insane with pricing and then, even the best gear don't get you "free out of jail card" like it used to do.
you gotta get the good expensive stuff and then fix every single of your games with pcgamingwiki if the issues are fixable.
Of course, 5090 does act a bit like a cheat codes to pc gaming lol.. but at a price.
In 2019/20 I was able to get 3700x, x570 mobo, 3080 and whole TOP OF THE LINE, new parts, day 1 releases. (ok maybe 9/10 top of the line, there was still 3800x but reasonable gaming top of the line)
And to be honest, even back them,. I though that some of the components were WAY too expensive like x570 motherboard. that shit was fucking terrible for first few months before it got all the uefi patches. It required another cpu to god damn update it and overall launch of zen2 was a nightmare compared to my previous 2500k build... in fact that 2500k pc still boots faster probably lol.
Let's do an experiment:
I will list all my components I use now (all bought on day/week1 of their releases. Brand new, top of the line stuff at the time 5 years ago.
Then, maybe someone could see if it's possible to get comparable pc today for that money. Comparable as in - 3080? so 5080. 3700x? so 7700x (or whatever is the newest one). Market segment comparable.
-3080fe 700$ - 30$ I got for WD Legion that came with it = 670$ lol (yes I will do that)
-Phanteks p600s - 150$ (still no better case today. wtf)
-viper ultimate v1 pro - 150$ (piece of shit charging dock but great mouse, replaced it with v2... which is a pos)
-razer huntsman mini - 130$ (Great keyboard. Still works. Just now replaced it with 8bitdo)
-Dark Rock 4 Pro - 80$ ( some piece of amazing cooling)
-3x silent wings fans - 60$ (well worth it)
-Corsair RM750x 750W - 150$ (still great)
-Some RGB bling - 50$ (just some phanteks led strips for ambient behind a pc and 1 strip inside. Great effect. Well worth it.
-x570 gigabyte aorus elite - 230$ (mid but it was this or some crappy, nvme speed capping crap)
-nvme drives - 200$ (and then 4.0 came out in 2 years....)
-3700x - 180$ (now the worst cpu ever lol but it was OK)
-16gb ram - 100$
Total 2020: 2150$. We are not counting monitor, router, windows, mousepad. let's not be crazy here.
Inflation 2025: 2650$.All I know is, 5080 costs 1900$ ALONE. Sadly FE is not sold here or at least I've not been able to see it sold.
I've always said, Yes... you can build a pc cheaper but there is no worse feeling that building a pc and "guess I don't need that.. or that... or that... I will have to settle with this"
That's about it. Was a spending in about 12 months total. Some parts had to wait because of availability, so I was running old peripherals or cooling before I got new one.
But this is total real 2020 cost of my pc. I am still running it. only updated mouse and keyboard few times. No problems. Runs good now after many uefi updates.
To me, it was a beast in 2020.
you gotta get the good expensive stuff and then fix every single of your games with pcgamingwiki if the issues are fixable.
Of course, 5090 does act a bit like a cheat codes to pc gaming lol.. but at a price.
In 2019/20 I was able to get 3700x, x570 mobo, 3080 and whole TOP OF THE LINE, new parts, day 1 releases. (ok maybe 9/10 top of the line, there was still 3800x but reasonable gaming top of the line)
And to be honest, even back them,. I though that some of the components were WAY too expensive like x570 motherboard. that shit was fucking terrible for first few months before it got all the uefi patches. It required another cpu to god damn update it and overall launch of zen2 was a nightmare compared to my previous 2500k build... in fact that 2500k pc still boots faster probably lol.
Let's do an experiment:
I will list all my components I use now (all bought on day/week1 of their releases. Brand new, top of the line stuff at the time 5 years ago.
Then, maybe someone could see if it's possible to get comparable pc today for that money. Comparable as in - 3080? so 5080. 3700x? so 7700x (or whatever is the newest one). Market segment comparable.
-3080fe 700$ - 30$ I got for WD Legion that came with it = 670$ lol (yes I will do that)
-Phanteks p600s - 150$ (still no better case today. wtf)
-viper ultimate v1 pro - 150$ (piece of shit charging dock but great mouse, replaced it with v2... which is a pos)
-razer huntsman mini - 130$ (Great keyboard. Still works. Just now replaced it with 8bitdo)
-Dark Rock 4 Pro - 80$ ( some piece of amazing cooling)
-3x silent wings fans - 60$ (well worth it)
-Corsair RM750x 750W - 150$ (still great)
-Some RGB bling - 50$ (just some phanteks led strips for ambient behind a pc and 1 strip inside. Great effect. Well worth it.
-x570 gigabyte aorus elite - 230$ (mid but it was this or some crappy, nvme speed capping crap)
-nvme drives - 200$ (and then 4.0 came out in 2 years....)
-3700x - 180$ (now the worst cpu ever lol but it was OK)
-16gb ram - 100$
Total 2020: 2150$. We are not counting monitor, router, windows, mousepad. let's not be crazy here.
Inflation 2025: 2650$.All I know is, 5080 costs 1900$ ALONE. Sadly FE is not sold here or at least I've not been able to see it sold.
I've always said, Yes... you can build a pc cheaper but there is no worse feeling that building a pc and "guess I don't need that.. or that... or that... I will have to settle with this"
That's about it. Was a spending in about 12 months total. Some parts had to wait because of availability, so I was running old peripherals or cooling before I got new one.
But this is total real 2020 cost of my pc. I am still running it. only updated mouse and keyboard few times. No problems. Runs good now after many uefi updates.
To me, it was a beast in 2020.
Puscifer
Member
Ok uhhh wtf are you building like that? A 3K computer right now would build you a 5090 PC with a 9600X, 850w PSU, 1tb SSD, a peerless assassin and whatever case you decided to throw it in.
A 1200 dollar PC in 2017 is like 1400 now.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
what? 5090 alone is 3k dude. wake up
Puscifer
Member
A 5090 is 2K, stop with your bullshit dude you're always doing this.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Even if 5090 was 2k... that leaves only 1k to top of THE REST OF THE PC. So stfu.
And no. 5090 is not 2k. Never was, not yet. Even hardware unboxed said that it's a paper price. Not only a thing here.
I am being a realist dude. If I was building a pc tomorrow, 5090 is 3 fucking k. So shut up and wake up. Stop with this white washing.
How can you fight facts? 5080 is 1900$. Look at my post above
edit: We live in a reality and the reality is what it is. If 5080 was 1k$ and 5090 was 2k$, I will still be using 5080 for a new pc. But both are 900-1k more expensive because it is what it is. The msrp doesn't exist and it's nvidia fault.
With 3080 release, I was ABLE to get one for 700$ here. Now with 4080 and with 5080 it was not possible and believe me, I know how to hunt for these.
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Puscifer
Member
Best buy had stock of the founders edition 2 days in a row for the 5080/5090, it's like saying the PS5 was 800 dollars for over a year because of scalpers.
I got my 4080 founders a few months after for MSRP because I'm not playing that game, it's stupid to pay someone extra. If you want to go ahead and do so, be my guest.
Fine then
2K - 5090
100 - Cooler Master 850 mwe gold
240 - 9600x
140 - MSI B650I ATX
80 - Nzxt H5 Flow
35 - thermal right peerless assassin
86 - Crucial 32gb ddr5 6000 cl
130 - 2TB 990 EVO
A 5090 powered PC and you have around 190 dollars leftover that you can use for a keyboard, mouse and controller.
To me I'm not counting a monitor because that's like saying you upgraded your OLED for a new console therefore your PS5 or Xbox now cost 1600 dollars instead of 500
Edit: knowing you, you'll just say "THOSE PARTS ARE CRAP HURR DURR LEMME INFLATE THE PRICE OF MY PC 500 DOLLARS MORE WITH A 300 DOLLAR DATA CENTER MOTHERBOARD AND A PROCESSOR FOR PRODUCTION EVEN THOUGH I'M JUST GAMING"
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manlisten
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As always, the biggest issue stems around inflated GPU prices. That said, I just put this build together for about the same budget.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($260.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte A520M K V2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($78.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($50.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($59.77 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $941.63
A perfectly viable 1080p build, or 1440p with upscaling. Could even got with a weaker CPU and shave another $100 off the price.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Absolute fucking nonsense.
b650? lol gtfo with this crap
35$ peerless assassin? gtfo
2tb drive? need another one for c: I always keep my system on separate nvme.
h5 flow? crap case sir, sorry.
So You use NON EXISTING 5090 PRICE and add up crap components to justify your imaginary 3k? That is ban worth if you ask me.
You are a liar and a conman. Why are you doing this? Why build this fake horse of thin legs man?
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Spyxos
Member
Good build, but i would not use it for 1440p. Upscaled or not.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Bad motherboard
bad cooling
mid storage
mid card
mid/bad case
Good PSU.
mid cpu
tons of compromises here to fit in 1000$. Not a pc I would build myself.
perfectly serviceable pc though
manlisten
Member
Did you look at the build from the OP?
UnrealEck
Member
'PC gaming shows the strongest growth at 4.2% and 8.1% for 2024E and 2025E,, respectively. It’s set to reach $31.4 billion in consumer spending this year. Its momentum underscores the platform's enduring appeal and adaptability.'No wonder it’s declining
From the same source WSJ used above.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
ahh ok. yes. Your build is 10x better for that 1k$. true
Sgt. Pinback
(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
Hardware prices are a problem. Anyone denying this is denying reality. The 50xx series is absolutely ridiculous - an embarrassment for Nvidia, and the thing that concerns me is that prices go up, they don't go down. Is the 60xx line going to be - what - $4000USD for a card? What about $6000USD? The high end is becoming unaffordable in a way that it has never been before.
And, you can certainly build a mid-tier system. But, at that point, unless you're heavily into emulation or WoW or something, the PS5 Pro probably makes a more sensible option for a lot of people.
From a software perspective, the PC has lost it's identity - as a few people have pointed out. We don't have the same number, or the same kinds, of dedicated 'PC gaming' that we had in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's. We have a PC market that is indies on one side, and console ports of varying quality on the other. That isn't a problem with the PC as a platform - it's more about how shitty the gaming industry is right now. All of the platforms (sans Nintendo) are suffering from the same problem. Your favourite GAAS bullshit is the same on your PC, your consoles, and your phone, and your AAA single player slop - same thing.
So, I don't actually know what the future looks like - for any of this stuff. Anyone who claims 'THIS IS THE B3STEST TIME TO BE A PC GAM0R LOL' is a fucking retard, but at the same time, consoles now have outrageous software pricing, monthly subscriptions, and a million other ways to fuck your wallet. There's no clear winner in any direction.
Thank god for Retroachievements and emulation.
And, you can certainly build a mid-tier system. But, at that point, unless you're heavily into emulation or WoW or something, the PS5 Pro probably makes a more sensible option for a lot of people.
From a software perspective, the PC has lost it's identity - as a few people have pointed out. We don't have the same number, or the same kinds, of dedicated 'PC gaming' that we had in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's. We have a PC market that is indies on one side, and console ports of varying quality on the other. That isn't a problem with the PC as a platform - it's more about how shitty the gaming industry is right now. All of the platforms (sans Nintendo) are suffering from the same problem. Your favourite GAAS bullshit is the same on your PC, your consoles, and your phone, and your AAA single player slop - same thing.
So, I don't actually know what the future looks like - for any of this stuff. Anyone who claims 'THIS IS THE B3STEST TIME TO BE A PC GAM0R LOL' is a fucking retard, but at the same time, consoles now have outrageous software pricing, monthly subscriptions, and a million other ways to fuck your wallet. There's no clear winner in any direction.
Thank god for Retroachievements and emulation.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Thermalright doing work I see. That's 60$ here. I wouldn;t get it myself because it's ugly
I still prefer be quiet. Looks way better and silent wing fans are quieter
but OK. I retract my gtfo. it's a good cooler
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Puscifer
Member
I would use that PC. The peerless assassin fights with coolers 2-3 times as much. B650 is more than enough, I'm running a b650 in my 7800X3D ITX build right now, what's wrong with it? Nothing. YOU SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU'D SAY! You budget for a gaming PC like this dril tweet
Sgt. Pinback
(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
Same thing that happened to everything. In tech, in consumer electronics, in culture - corporations don't want you to have choice anymore. They don't want weird experiments firing off in all directions. They want as narrow a spectrum of choice as they possibly can, so that their advertising and data harvesting is more effective.
March Climber
Member
If one day Steam ever decides to make their mobile app much more than just a storefront (because I think the entire end goal of gaming is for games to be playable in anywhere) I could see that blue line suddenly jumping much higher.No wonder it’s declining
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I don't really think it matters if you're going after high-end or mid-range -- it's not great right now. Yes, the hardware costs are out of control, but there are so many issues with PC games, themselves, right now that the platform's lost a lot of its luster for me. The insistence on DLSS/TAA/frame gen/whatever other bullshit tech is next is only exacerbating that issue, which is why image quality is somehow getting worse over time even on high-end rigs.
Which isn't to say I'm not still playing stuff on PC, but it's a little dismaying that there are still so many games that are arguably better played on consoles due to more consistent performance (primarily JP developed stuff still). PC should be better across the board, but alas, it's not living up to its potential.
Which isn't to say I'm not still playing stuff on PC, but it's a little dismaying that there are still so many games that are arguably better played on consoles due to more consistent performance (primarily JP developed stuff still). PC should be better across the board, but alas, it's not living up to its potential.
hinch7
Member
I don't think OP has done that much research. There's a lot of budget components available now. From AM4 X3D's to Intels 12th and 13th generation budget CPU's. All the way to AM5 with the 7500F and Zen 5's which are generally fairly affordable. GPU's there's Intel Arc B570 and B580.
For mid range and high end GPU's. It was fine several months ago but Nvidia and AMD fucked the market by discontinuing current gen without offering any alternative and artificial scarcity of launch 5000 cards. It will recover over the next several months when stock is more readily available.
As for cost, inflation is a thing as well. The cost for an entry level PC hasn't gone up -that- much since the 2010's, if at all.
For mid range and high end GPU's. It was fine several months ago but Nvidia and AMD fucked the market by discontinuing current gen without offering any alternative and artificial scarcity of launch 5000 cards. It will recover over the next several months when stock is more readily available.
As for cost, inflation is a thing as well. The cost for an entry level PC hasn't gone up -that- much since the 2010's, if at all.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You got to be a troll or you have no idea about building a pc.I would use that PC. The peerless assassin fights with coolers 2-3 times as much. B650 is more than enough, I'm running a b650 in my 7800X3D ITX build right now, what's wrong with it? Nothing. YOU SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU'D SAY! You budget for a gaming PC like this dril tweet
These cheap motherboards have limited sysfans ports, rgb ports or bandwith limitations on m2/pci express if both are used at the same time. Maybe not as much as few years ago but there are VAILD reasons to get a better chipset board.
Stuff like dual bios, uefi installation without cpu / from usb port etc.
That's why you read a manual before buying a cheap motherboard and then plan to avoid slots accordingly. No such things on x570
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Puscifer
Member
My B650 has support for PCI Gen 5 and I bought it 2 years ago. You are literally talking out of your fucking assYou got to be a troll or you have no idea about building a pc.
These cheap motherboards have limited sysfans ports, rgb ports or bandwith limitations on m2/pci express if both are used at the same time. Maybe not as much as few years ago but there are VAILD reasons to get a better chipset board.
Stuff like dual bios, uefi installation without cpu / from usb port etc.
That's why you read a manual before buying a motherboard
B650I AORUS ULTRA Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
True.
They are not experimenting, not releasing stuff that might or might not sell, not trying new stuff.
I collect digicams. Sony mavica, Sony digicam, Some nikon etc etd... and each brand was releasing like 4-8 cameras each year.
Absolute insanity of designs. No homework stealing there. 90s/early 2000s was THE TECH SHIT hell yeah.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
lol I am not talking about gen5 support.My B650 has support for PCI Gen 5 and I bought it 2 years ago. You are literally talking out of your fucking ass
B650I AORUS ULTRA Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...www.gigabyte.com
The note was taken from b650 gigabyte motherboard man.
I recommend reading your manual and seeing how wrongly you build your pc.
But I suppose, your pc building knowledge is as real as that 2k$ 5090 you advertise so much
Hohenheim
Member
Based on sales and how many people actually gaming on PC, the platform seems to be thriving.
It's too bad that gpu's in the high end are hard to get at the moment though. Will hopefully get better soon.
I was lucky to get a 5090, and it's a fantastic gpu.
I don't think i've ever been happier with PC gaming to be honest.
It's too bad that gpu's in the high end are hard to get at the moment though. Will hopefully get better soon.
I was lucky to get a 5090, and it's a fantastic gpu.
I don't think i've ever been happier with PC gaming to be honest.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
No attack here at all - why did you went for 5090 and not 5080? You think that's worth it in the end?
You have games to use that on?
or you dont mind the prices?
Puscifer
Member
There's nothing wrong with my pc, it's performing wonderfully. You're intentionally complicating PC builds to make a point here, a stupid one I might add.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's called an experience
Melon Husk
Member
During the bitcoin mining shortages was worse, because you couldn't get any GPUs for a reasonable price.
Prices are reasonable currently if you exclude the newest generation of Nvidia cards. RAM is super cheap too. What's bad about current situation is the speed of progress.
Prices are reasonable currently if you exclude the newest generation of Nvidia cards. RAM is super cheap too. What's bad about current situation is the speed of progress.
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Puscifer
Member
Enjoy your data center motherboard