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Is Pc gaming in a bad place right now?
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Hohenheim
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It was mostly because of the 32gb of Vram, and to make my 4K 240hz monitor to good use.
I wanted to make my new build as good as possible, so that I don't have to think about upgrading anything anytime soon.
I don't know if any current games makes a huge difference compared to 5080, but it sure feels great to play Black Myth silksmooth in high fps with everything set to max atm, and in 4K the 16gb vram on the 5080 felt a bit too little for a new upgrade now.
I was saving for a long time, and it feels good to be "done" for a good while, not thinking about any upgrades to the setup.
Puscifer
Member
Steam link is an app already
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I have a 5080 and i dont give a shit about 4k amd never will. I dont need a monitor bigger than 27 inches and at 27 inches, at the distancr i am from the monitor, the difference between 1440p and 4k is barely noticeable, and you'd have to be looking for it. So yeah there is no way i will ever take the performance hit of 4k for such a marginal improvement.
GHG
Member
Software wise it's been in the best place it's ever been in for while now.
Hardware wise though, the opposite, one of the worst. I would not want to be putting together a brand new build from scratch right now.
The issue is that a lot of people stayed on the sidelines thinking they were"poor value" all this time. Little did they know...
Hardware wise though, the opposite, one of the worst. I would not want to be putting together a brand new build from scratch right now.
The issue is that a lot of people stayed on the sidelines thinking they were"poor value" all this time. Little did they know...
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S0ULZB0URNE
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No
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Hell yeah it's in a bad place, I just found out my old ass GPU can't run shit.
BacklashWave534
Member
Same discussion every time there is a new Nvidia release.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
in 2018 you could buy a dell optiplex and put a 1660ti in it & it would have enough horsepower to run most games @1080p. it would be cheaper & better than the consoles of the time
a "budget" build of today costs 500 at minimum with used parts. youre stuck with 8gb gpus and am4. and anything above 1080p WITH DLSS is out of reach unless its pre 2022
yeah the games and software are great but people are just sitting here letting Nvidia and AMD price PC gaming into irrelevancy. if youre not already on board you will have to fight to get a spot. compare that to 2016 when 400 dollars was all you needed to embarass a ps4
a "budget" build of today costs 500 at minimum with used parts. youre stuck with 8gb gpus and am4. and anything above 1080p WITH DLSS is out of reach unless its pre 2022
yeah the games and software are great but people are just sitting here letting Nvidia and AMD price PC gaming into irrelevancy. if youre not already on board you will have to fight to get a spot. compare that to 2016 when 400 dollars was all you needed to embarass a ps4
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LavitzSlambert
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Hardware has been in a bad place (and progressively getting worse) since the bitcoin mining craze. Software selection is improving, but the quality has dropped severely. For all the console games that are being ported to PC, most are still better experienced on console. Very few games on PC are pushing boundaries, there is no HL2 or Crysis to encourage people to utilize the power the hardware is capable of. And for the games with high specs, it's because they are often unoptimized messes.
PC gaming was in a really good space from around 2005 to 2015, before and after have just not been worth it.
There's a ton of it out there, just mostly crap. You can only iterate so much on these things and there was a goldrush once PC gaming really took off, where every manufacturer was pushing branded gamer gear. Now you have the top brands with their core product lines, and Aliexpress bullshit to fill in the lower end.
PC gaming was in a really good space from around 2005 to 2015, before and after have just not been worth it.
There's a ton of it out there, just mostly crap. You can only iterate so much on these things and there was a goldrush once PC gaming really took off, where every manufacturer was pushing branded gamer gear. Now you have the top brands with their core product lines, and Aliexpress bullshit to fill in the lower end.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Best it’s been since the early 00s IMO. Steam Deck was such a game changer for me. My whole Steam library on a handheld OLED. All the constant free shit from EGS and the games included with Amazon Prime on Heroic launcher. All the bundles. Humble choice. CDKeys for day 1 games.
All the games I would buy consoles for in the past like Monster Hunter, Falcom games, etc are all day 1 on Steam. Games are definitely launching busted but it’s just made me more patient. Like I know I’ll have a better experience if I wait a few months for any graphically heavy game. Biggest issue for me is finding the time to play the games I wanna play.
All the games I would buy consoles for in the past like Monster Hunter, Falcom games, etc are all day 1 on Steam. Games are definitely launching busted but it’s just made me more patient. Like I know I’ll have a better experience if I wait a few months for any graphically heavy game. Biggest issue for me is finding the time to play the games I wanna play.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
nobody is doing stuff. Audeze did Maxwell and ... nobody iterated on it, made other versions and counter attacked them
Maxwell itself should be now v2 or v3 but it's still the same headset with the same issues as day 1.
Sony headsets still all break on the hinge, Razer the same... just no innovation, no quality
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
If we keep getting lazy ports with devs just using frame generation and DLSS to compensate. Yes.
hououinkyouma00
Member
That's a good point actually. Most people are playing games that are 100% possible on current consoles and honestly older consoles as well especially now that consoles support M/KB.
This happens with all technology though really. Look at phones for example where the vast majority of new phones are simply slabs of glass that simply get new internals every year. It's hard to innovate past a certain point.
ResilientBanana
Member
Only to console peasants who don’t need to concern themselves with how people want to spend their money. If you like your walled garden, suit yourself. I love what my PC can do for not just gaming but all of my digital needs
dreamstation
Member
Accidentally posted in the 5090 thread but
The missus PC died a little while ago and have been looking at putting together a new one but it's hard to find anything right now. 9800X3D have been in and out of stock, 50 series cards are overpriced and non-existent but not only that the previous gen 40 series are all gone or jacked the hell up as well. I thought prices generally come down on discontinued stock but nope the PC market is borked.
The missus PC died a little while ago and have been looking at putting together a new one but it's hard to find anything right now. 9800X3D have been in and out of stock, 50 series cards are overpriced and non-existent but not only that the previous gen 40 series are all gone or jacked the hell up as well. I thought prices generally come down on discontinued stock but nope the PC market is borked.
LavitzSlambert
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No argument here, though this post mostly sums up my thoughts on the peripheral argument.
March Climber
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I meant natively, not streaming.
Nintendo's Witch
Member
people are willing to pay 6k + for a fucking graphics card, what do you think?
FalconPunch
Member
$720 for a machine that's weaker than the ps5 pro and has a similar gpu to the ps5 with a better cpu? That's a bad place to be 5 years after the ps5 released.
Guilty_AI
Member
People buying mid-range pcs aren't interested in competing with consoles.
dcx4610
Member
A good motherboard is $600-700 now. Top of the line CPU is $600, factory, memory $200, 5080 is $1k. That's $2500 right there alone.
Puscifer
Member
There's not a single thing gaming wise that a motherboard over 150 will do for you. If you're doing something in a data center or something high power that requires all that then yes, but for gaming a mid range motherboard has and will continue to be the best option
MiguelItUp
Member
Not at all. Are there bad paths to take? Sure. But there are good and great ones too. You just need to make sure you're doing the right thing. If you're a new comer, find some folks to guide you, or talk to those in your life that are more familiar. I've never really had a problem, personally. I feel like anything and everything revolving around high end GPUs is the worst.
FalconPunch
Member
It's really about value for money. If I'm going to spend that much on a computer, it needs to offer better value for money. At this point last gen, if you spent $720, you'd get better value for money than a console.
Hoddi
Member
Far from it. People are just fucking themselves over chasing after 4k gaming. Consoles included.
If you just stick with 1440p (nevermind 1080p) then getting good performance is completely trivial. The difference between a modern high-end build and a 6-7 year old PC has never been smaller.
If you just stick with 1440p (nevermind 1080p) then getting good performance is completely trivial. The difference between a modern high-end build and a 6-7 year old PC has never been smaller.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The only bad thing is mid to high end GPU prices and availability.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Console hardware has always given better value. Don't disagree there. There's a reason consoles are regularly sold at a loss or with very small profit margins.
However, on the PC side, games are cheaper, there's no fees for online gaming, and you just get waaaayyyy more functionality, whether it's modding games, emulating, or doing endless tasks outside of the gaming realm.
And again, with that PC I shared above, it's an ITX build which immediately makes it more expensive. A traditional ATX build would be about $100 cheaper.
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Guilty_AI
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The value people are looking at isn't just teraflops for dollar. There are the games, the different uses they may have, customizability, etc.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
WTF are you talking about with your $700 motherboard? You can get a fantastic one for $200-300.
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Chiggs
Gold Member
Personally speaking, I feel like the only real advantage PC has is its power. If you're not gaming on a powerful PC, then you're unfortunately missing out. People can try and spin it anyway they want, but PC gaming shines brightest when the resolution and settings are maxed, and the framerates are fluid. Playing something like MS Flight Simulator, Cyberpunk 2077, or Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is simply breathtaking on high-end hardware.
Unfortunately, high-end PC gaming is becoming ludicrously expensive. If I didn't have a business need for powerful hardware, I would just stick with the PS5 Pro. It's going to give you most of the bells and whistles at a fraction of the cost and with none of the Windows heartache.
Platforms like the Steam Deck are definitely an intriguing choice for those not so concerned with power, but wanting to dabble in PC Gaming-lite.
It's only better in the CPU department; every other aspect is worse. From motherboards to RAM, to AIOs, and especially video cards, it's a rip-off.
Unfortunately, high-end PC gaming is becoming ludicrously expensive. If I didn't have a business need for powerful hardware, I would just stick with the PS5 Pro. It's going to give you most of the bells and whistles at a fraction of the cost and with none of the Windows heartache.
Platforms like the Steam Deck are definitely an intriguing choice for those not so concerned with power, but wanting to dabble in PC Gaming-lite.
It's only better in the CPU department; every other aspect is worse. From motherboards to RAM, to AIOs, and especially video cards, it's a rip-off.
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Schmendrick
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Nonsense. Unless it's a horribly botched port or you're sitting on a weak system you get at minimum better FPS and image quality.
as it's always been....
There has never been an era were we had dozens of Crysis level games. That stuff is ridiculously expensive and not worth it if you're not either getting sponsored or doing PR to license your tech.
With CP2077, WuKong, Alan Wake 2 and various other games pushing the technical side of things a bit more than average we're ok on the tech pushing front, especially for how weak the consoles are this gen in regards of "next gen tech capabilities".
That's also nothing new..... We've had those since before the graphics got 3 dimensional.....
worst case the next console gen will just be a smaller node hardware refresh with extra ml and RT hardware slapped on top but it's definitely not gonna get priced outside of the mass market.
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Rawbutt Jellybean
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It's in a bad place only if you need the highest specs available. Otherwise it's in a fantastic place. PC gamers have 2/3 console platforms opening up their libraries to them.
Chiggs
Gold Member
That would mean more if the PC platform itself had loads of coveted, exclusive titles like it did back in the 90s and early 2000s. The last true killer app the PC had was Crysis back in 2007.
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Means a lot when 20 years ago PC was getting 0/3 console libraries but now they're getting 2/3.
Also for exclusive killer apps you got League of Legends, Dota 2, CSGO/CS2, Escape from Tarkov, etc. Lots of popular games are PC only.
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daninthemix
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So by "in a bad place" you mean expensive?
Yeah, sure. But so is the world. So is the cost of living, if you haven't noticed.
Yeah, sure. But so is the world. So is the cost of living, if you haven't noticed.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
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My 6900XT will probably be stronger in raster than the PS6. If it weren't for AI upscaling and RT, it would likely be besting 2 whole console generations at pure raster. Could you say the same for a 780 bought the same year as the launch of the PS4? Anyone even thinking of running a 780GTX now?
duck_sauce
Member
Looking at the cost for new gpus, the minuscule gains in power and the current controversy about the build quality (cable burns) I would say pc gaming was previously in a better spot.
If I only look at pc ports, steam user engagement I would say pc gaming is in a pretty good spot.
It’s complicated
If I only look at pc ports, steam user engagement I would say pc gaming is in a pretty good spot.
It’s complicated
