phosphor112
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He was referring to your post, and how you ignored that Sony made a great OS with much weaker hardware. It just had enough memory to do what it was needed.
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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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He was referring to your post, and how you ignored that Sony made a great OS with much weaker hardware. It just had enough memory to do what it was needed.
freefornow
Member
Insiders! Taken as gospel.
IHaveCandy
Banned
So has anything changed since the beginning of this?
72GB/s for the 7770 and 67GB/s for the XB1. The effective bandwidth on the XB1 will be a lot higher than that though due to the eSRAM.
quickwhips
Member
Everyone saying 5.5 where are they getting this from? They said 4.5 with 1 GB set a side for debugging. I don't think this means all games magically get 5.5 but I still this is just a rumor till Sony says other wise.
Also:
funnily enough from digital foundry
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-sony-details-final-ps4-spec
Out of curiosity why is the bandwidth of the 7770 so much lower than the 7870/7850? Does it not use GDDR5?
VRAM is just video memory, as in what's allocated to the GPU in a PC environment, where the Xbone/PS4 have a single, unified pool that doesn't need to be divied up between the CPU/GPU. So that 5GB of RAM in the Xbone isn't discriminated toward either the CPU/GPU; they both tap into it. It isn't about whether it's DDR, GDDR3, GDDR5, etc.
That said, the DDR3/ESRAM combo does bring in the question of bandwidth, and what role that'll end up playing. Really it just makes it harder to justify the straight up PC comparisons to anything other than an extremely broad, unspecific view at where these systems might be in overall performance capabilities.
Where did you get debugging from?
Yes. 106 text riddled pages of running around in circles have been added.
128-bit memory bus I'd assume.
I'm not really sure. 128-bit bus vs. 256-bit bus in the PS4 looks like one of the main reasons, but maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in.
travisbickle
Member
From the article:
I assume developers have to phone Sony to ask if they can tighten up the graphics on level 3.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
1. The DF's "sources" are old KZ slides.
2. We have reputable Sony insiders who actually posted this info:
So yea. Also, not seeing any mentioning of debugging anywhere. But you are right, all of this is technically speculation until Sony says otherwise. However, DF's claims, especially using several month old documents that didn't specify the actual RAM limit on the console, have close to zero credibility at this point.
IHaveCandy
Banned
GameStop is taking preorders on PS4 starting tomorrow 7-27-13. It probably won't last long though. If you missed your opportunity, I'd jump on it. They're also giving 50% extra trade-in credit on all games/systems/accessories right now. I traded in my PS3 and some games and got $300+ to pay off my PS4 preorder. I don't see any threads about it, and I can't make a thread. Somebody should make a thread to get the word out and help those that missed earlier last month.
Whipped Spartan
Member
Can't believe we kept two threads alive this long about this LOL.
travisbickle
Member
What was the "bear and salmon" original thread?
Was it PSP vs NDS?
Was it PSP vs NDS?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I'm pretty sure it was Shane Kim guaranteeing that Gears 2 would outsell Resistance 2. Mods changed the title to "Shane Kim - A bear can eat a salmon".
User 228481
Member
Looks like Shinobi's info is still the best thing we have.
Do we already know what the "flexible memory" is for?
Do we already know what the "flexible memory" is for?
freefornow
Member
Why isn't Sony's man god Cerny making a comment? Does he only do positive PR?
zeopower6
Member
Does he ever comment on anything when he's not doing interviews? He's not on Twitter or anything after all.
quickwhips
Member
Thanks for the quick responses guys without having to dig through this huge thread 
quickwhips
Member
I was talking about this from the article.
But I'm guessing I miss understood what the extra gig was for or its out dated document now?
EternalTruth
Member
Both of the consoles sounds pretty average now...
User 228481
Member
That's a very interesting idea.
So devs could decide whether they go for maximum gaming fidelity or for maximum OS multitasking. The latter could be an interesting alternative for socially oriented multiplayer games.
I really like this thougt and it would mean that PS4 has potential to use a maximum of 6.5GB if Sony decides that they don't need the 1GB reserve.
Both of the consoles sounds pretty average now...
No. The RAM is still there and Shinobi said OS will use 1.5GB max. Better safe than sorry.
Okay as a junior to a junior . Neither of us are vetted . But why the negativity and questioning ? I feel neogaf is a great opportunity to learn about things most people don't have access to and get insider info people mostly can't .. I seriously can't understand the harshness in your comments or replies. We're all just trying to figure things out ... No one is competing .
He does have a twitter account but he barely uses it, it's mostly just links to interviews he does. He made a couple excited comments after the E3 conference on there but that's it.
zeopower6
Member
I thought Yoshida has said repeatedly that the account is NOT Mark.
Did he? I saw Shahid and Adam Boyes retweet a few things from that account which is the only reason I thought it was real.
You are doing good work with this. Thank you for the round up.
Nightengale
Member
I think it's more than 5 times now he's clarified.
zeopower6
Member
I think Adam retracted those retweets, lol.
https://twitter.com/AgentZeroNine/status/355175476647559171
Thaumaturgic Tomato
Member
But the booleans!? As always the booleans are left in the lurch.
Ah, OK. Makes sense. Seems like a fake account. I was honestly surprised when I saw the other guys refer to it.
GoofsterStud
Member
Smart man.
That'd be a great way to alienate 3rd parties..
It's probably accessible to everyone but first parties are likely the only ones that will actually tap into it, especially with so many cross gen games coming out.
Unknown Soldier
Member
So when are we going to get another thread title?
thats why he is a genius
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
How salty are you right now damn.
Wishmaster92
Member
Vestal
Junior Member
what the heck is this?? He is raising a valid question in his post. Sonys silence over the past 36 or so hours has been pretty strange. (36 since eg asked for comment yesterday but apparently didn't get it).
I would suggest to not try and play the holier than thou card around here, it really doesn't fair well in these parts.