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[GameBlog Rumor] - Developers disclosing problems with Xbox One drivers [Updated]
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silver.tongue
Member
At this point I think it's pretty clear that they didn't...
More than likely a rehash, which would fit with what many of the French Gaffers have said. They tend to recycle articles.
Then perhaps people should consider there console choice a little better.
EDIT: came off as harsh, I meant that it should be made clear in game stores what each console brings to the table, this is the reason the MS parity PR bullshit Penello dishes out rubs me the wrong way so much, XB1 has a lot of things going for it, but consumers should be able to make an informed decision.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Like someone said on the first page, drivers can be patched post launch. But something as big as a 30-60 fps target would have been locked down much earlier in development to run optimably with the poor drivers at the time.
More evidence MS has been behind schedule for the XB1 launch this Nov.
More evidence MS has been behind schedule for the XB1 launch this Nov.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Smartest programmers in the world. If they can't resolve it, it cannot be resolved.
BibiMaghoo
Member
It's not that simple at all, that does not take into account many things when people are working on the hardware. Some may not have the time, or skill, or money to achieve more than parity on each system.
it's a balancing act though. If PS4 has a significantly larger installed base, then it would be more important not to piss them off than XB1 owners. Plus if you are pulling your punches on a platform, you leave yourself open to competition - both from first and third parties.
It just needs optimizing. Nothing is perfect, especially when it comes to new hardware. I'm sure Sony had their little challenges too.
SwiftDeath
Member
Isn't locked framerate usually preferred?
Maybe with 1080p framerates are 40 - 50 FPS in those games?
Perhaps but if so has the site been known to blatantly lie about its information?
The clarification of the sources being 2 big publishers (one french, one American) is interesting to me
Do you think they would lie about that?
Serious question
RedAssedApe
Banned
But they created DirectX! 
possibly ESRAM related? Devs not being to tap it properly so they are limited? If so, then that might be a good thing if it can get unblocked in later drivers - gives the platform room to grow.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Microsoft has done those things far more than any other company. Sony continues to expand their studios and even bought Media Molecule and Sucker Punch last generation. Microsoft bought Rare and neutered them. Rare isn't even allowed to work on their new IPs it seems. They're a negative influence on the industry.
How would Sony really know if they gimped the PS4 version?
krypt0nian
Banned
If true and Microsoft is ruining nextgen like so many believed, then it will be so easy to just not buy games from those devs.
We're watching.
We're watching.
in this case, for possibly the first time ever, multiplatform development is easier on the stronger machine, platform agnostic builds are said to run far better on PS4 than XB1.
amstradcpc
Member
We should start by boycotting devs and games that make this.
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
It's odd the French site did not mention the ram *Or did it?*
Some of you Sony fanboys are truly ridiculous. Are we really going to talk about Microsoft charging exuberant amounts of money for accessories (mainly only the wifi adapter) and not even think about the Vita? Sure, they ushered in paying for online gaming but they also revolutionized it and and made Sony step it up. If it wasn't for XBL, there wouldn't be a PS+. How do they routinely abandon their customers when it has only happened once? (Xbox > 360) The PS2 was around for 10+ years and the 360 has been around for 8 and will probably be supported through 2014 and 2015, too. That's 10 years, which is what how long they said it would last. I guess nobody's ever going to let the DRM thing go, even if Microsoft offered to suck their dick and give them a Xbox One for free.
I'm just going by what locals have been saying. Several have now called that site out as unreliable, and known to basically take articles from else where and just rehash them. They've even been referred to as a tabloid. I'd take it as they are just trying to generate hits.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
That is true too.
But they created DirectX!
since Mantle and SteamOS dont we know that DirectX is the worst?
The problem with timed exclusives is that it's a transaction that inevitably costs the consumer (money comes from somewhere, likely live subscriptions) but does nothing for them. It's also unsustainable.
The casual market segment is already all gone. The casual gamers that bought a large portion of the 100m wii's have moved on to their cell phones and tablets. They won't be back int he same numbers as the Wii U proved. Relying on them to prop up the industry is going to draw resources away and probably fail.
GTA is not a 'casual' game but it sold a billion dollars worth of games in a week. The money is there but the studios and publishers need to be more realistic. Not every game can sell 5m+ units so don't budget every project to need 5m units to break even.
MS has a long history of being extremely negative for the market segments they jump into. For years they have generally entered a market, used their money to leverage a position, extinguish their competitors, then start profiteering with sub standard products (exchange, office, explorer, MS SQL) however they are not doing it as well as they used to and area's they had 'won' are firing back up. The worst possible thing for the industry is if MS pushes Sony and Nintendo out. Nintendo or Sony monopolies would also be awful but not to the same extent as MS.
Publishers did not gimp multiplats on Xbox or GameCube, because of the PS2 version.
Granted many of those games were made first and foremost for the PS2, since it was the head and shoulders market leader. But the Xbox and GC versions still ran and looked better in almost every case.
So if Sony could not "force" parity while dominating their competitors, i doubt Microsoft can when they are not dominating anyone here, likelihood is that PS4 will outsell the Xbox One from the get go.
Only company i can see going with this is maybe EA.
Granted many of those games were made first and foremost for the PS2, since it was the head and shoulders market leader. But the Xbox and GC versions still ran and looked better in almost every case.
So if Sony could not "force" parity while dominating their competitors, i doubt Microsoft can when they are not dominating anyone here, likelihood is that PS4 will outsell the Xbox One from the get go.
Only company i can see going with this is maybe EA.
Maybe as a big publisher they are expecting MS to foot a good chunk of the co-marketing bill, but that's not going to fly if all the reviews are unbalanced about the definitive console version being the other guy.
Chobel
Member
If that's the case then it's not driver problem, and the article is lying. Because going from 1080P/45-50fps to 900p/60fps is normal.
It could be, I just remembred that digital foundry said that Xbox One eSRAM prefer 900p games.
BibiMaghoo
Member
True, but in a multiplat development, they are going to target a specific performance point for both systems surely, rather than individually. It could be the case that time and money is spent achieving this on the weaker system, leaving no room for enhancing the other version.
I just don't think it is at all as simple as, ''the games are the same, so that publisher was paid off''. Not at all.
at some point MS would end up spending so much in 'parity dollars' that it would have been cheaper to make a more powerful machine in the first place.
but add PC in as the most likely central development point - with Xbox and PS4 branching off from that - and that already has a significantly higher quality level. So you're porting down anyway. You'd just get closer, quicker with PS4
ConteZero76
Member
Microsoft was known as the E3 company : Embrace / Extend / Exterminate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
It also makes sense, because doing so they'll poison every potential competitor.
Kun Aguero
Member
If as looks likely, the PS4 is going to significantly outsell the XBO, it would be incredibly stupid to nerf the version that has the most sales potential. Guess we'll see soon enough.
Sure, but aren't there many sites that protect whistleblowers identities? Hell, even a GAF account would be enough.
Oh, and you know, every now and then even developers change place of work, move to other states and so on.
Sword Of Doom
Member
What competition? Sony is getting punished for getting their shit together. This industry is seriously broken. Obviously nobody gives a flying fuck about the consumers.
When did The boat, say all this? I missed that part. Searched all over for it. I'll look again though.
Oh shit..
ThisWreckage
Banned
First of all, the Vita was fairly priced from the get go. Plenty of people on GAF thought it would be a hundred dollars more than what it launched as because of the hardware.
Secondly, Microsoft has abandoned development two times. They did it with the Xbox and the 360. This is indisputable and anyone that has taken note has been aware of this for some time. They hopped aboard the Kinect train and since that device launched they have been putting out very few quality titles whereas as the PS3 had The Last of Us, God of War, Gran Turismo, and Beyond all launch this year. Among other games.
SwiftDeath
Member
Right and I've taken that with a grain of salt
They were sent a review unit of the xbox one so clearly they're not nobody
I guess it could be a rehash though but then I would think they'd be lying about the publisher sources which is very very bad to do
I don't know
Also worth cross-posting from the EDGE thread
I still don't know what to take way from this post as you can read into either way
If downgrades do happen, I suspect it will be only during the beginning of this generation. Publishers who have already set up partnerships will feel pressured to keep parity, but the reality is if the difference between the two consoles is as large as suspected, it's going to be impossible for that illusion of parity to remain true. This will become increasingly true as we see 1st and 3rd party games that DO take full advantage of the respective hardware.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Nope, it's just a rumor that fanboy's are going crazy over.
They think that UBISOFT for instance would sign a exclusive content deal with Sony but then intentionally gimp the graphics of those games to appease MS.
Think about it though, they already got money from Sony by doing this, why not play both sides and give something to Microsoft, something that Sony can't do anything about, or something that don't screw up the contract with sony. Double agent type stuff, selling parts of a pig, "we'd like to thank our sponsors, Sony, Microsoft, and Apple (timed istore app exclusive. Not real just an example)!"
FranXico
Member
I'm going to repeat what others said and I agree with:
Going by that site's reputation (or lack thereof), it's just a rehash of the old Edge "power struggle" article. Very easy to label something as "report/rumor" and just re-post it away for hits.
As for the "politics" people are raging about, I got banned already for so much as implying that notion, so my advise is to calm down.
Going by that site's reputation (or lack thereof), it's just a rehash of the old Edge "power struggle" article. Very easy to label something as "report/rumor" and just re-post it away for hits.
As for the "politics" people are raging about, I got banned already for so much as implying that notion, so my advise is to calm down.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
The boat said the SDK performance has dropped 15-20% but it would come back up before launch
I don't think review units means anything. Any site, covering a topic, as long as it can generate traffic could get a review unit. MS will want first hand reviews in the hands as many reviewers as possible.
I work in the advertising industry (not gaming related, mostly autos and pharma) and our clients regularly have reviews for products on pretty much any site that can get a review out to as many people as possible. If they have the Reach, they can more than likely get a review console. It really isn't indicative of anything.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Nah, I refuse to believe this BS. MS paying for parity. Fuck that shit. Shit like this should get called out if its ever true.
SenkiDala
Member
I know gameblog (I'm French) they're familiar with making those kind of news... Everything is (probably) fake. They always pretend they have "their sources" but it's always a copy/past (translated) from a foreigner article (here this one: http://www.edge-online.com/news/pow...es-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/#null) pretending it's from "their sources"...
They are full of shit, don't give any credit to those guys, honestly.
Also they don't have an Xbox One, the X1 on this article http://www.gameblog.fr/news/38501-la-xbox-one-est-arrivee-chez-gameblog-les-photos is a fake, they even admit it "il s'agit pour le moment d'un mock up. Impossible donc de l'allumer" which means "for now it's just a mock up. So it's impossible to turn it on".
Gameblog being gameblog, copying other websites, days/weeks after, pretending it's from their sources... Pathetic. :/
They are full of shit, don't give any credit to those guys, honestly.
Also they don't have an Xbox One, the X1 on this article http://www.gameblog.fr/news/38501-la-xbox-one-est-arrivee-chez-gameblog-les-photos is a fake, they even admit it "il s'agit pour le moment d'un mock up. Impossible donc de l'allumer" which means "for now it's just a mock up. So it's impossible to turn it on".
Gameblog being gameblog, copying other websites, days/weeks after, pretending it's from their sources... Pathetic. :/