I'm not even trying to defend Nvidia, I have a 6900XT precisely because of some of their shitty practices. Specifically in my case - gimping VRAM so that a card that is as powerful and has better tech (RT, DLSS etc) is a no go, and ceasing production of older cards early so that there is no real inventory when their new cards are released.
Well, i think its got alot to do with marketing too. PC gamers want the best and greatest all the time. Because AMD flopped so hard on RT and upscaling tech the last 5 years, NV kinda run away with it.
It is pretty certain that they could. Their problem is that the 5090 is actually aimed at the deep learning market. And for that, you need the software stack and ecosystem, which AMD don't really have. OpenCL is not competitive to CUDA, neither is ROCm.
i don't know i'd argue that these are even more reasons why they could not. regardless i would not touch amd even if they did, they are clearly positioned not as a technology innovator but as a cheap alternatives focused on video games, they are like a decade behind.
whiny spoiled brat kids maybe
i'd love to believe you, but did that happen with the 4090? as far as i'm aware the price on that never stabilized and just went up?
It doesn't meter at all, I'm not considering to get one even if it is 1000$. And for people looking to get one...my condolences.
If it makes you happier, it is the ”too much money to habdle” segment that are purchasing them and those people are very few.That is US dollars and absolutely bat shit crazy. You could actually get a half way decent used older car with that kind of money. With the advancement of AI this problem is going to get worse. I read that Nvidia Makes $400 Billion dollars from their AI section but only $4 billion from their home pc side. Yes $4 billion is a ton of cash but it isn't shit in comparison so you know where the focus is going to be. I looked this up and was dumbfounded on what people are paying. I think from here on out, especially with Nvidia, shortages are going to be the norm.
Just go to ebay and search for the rtx 5090 and then filter by sold. It is absolutely unbelievable. I have seen selling for $9,000 and another for $7,500 dollars. I know there is shortages but that is just absolutely insane.
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To be fair, I don't see Nvidia as a technology innovator either. The 5000 series is not innovative, neither was the 4000 series. The only innovation they did was in marketing and in pricing, to the detriment of the whole market. And yes, while Nvidia are publishing some neat papers, where they've trained some transformers for computer graphics problems (mesh generation, frame interpolation, etc.), they mostly just throw their datacenters behind it and paywall that. To me, that isn't impressive either. The last effort of recent times I found impressive was when they started to make the C++ STL stuff work both on host and device.
Idk dude, playing these games on PS5 barely pushing 60 fps and then playing them on my PC pushing 200 fps or higher with my 240 hz monitor, I can't go back to playing slow crap like that. It just looks and feels so much better.
Nobody thinks $2000 is normal.
Yeah right, nobody. Tell that to people buying these cards at $5-6k. They all would think $2000 is even more normal and have no problem paying it. Who do you think these are selling to, ethereal beings?
Oh it definitely stabilized, it stabilized 20% higher than release price.
That and for those bragging rights on their Roblox server.
Possibly but the reason they're buying these cards isn't really important. If AMD had a similar high end product they're not going to charge half the price when the market has shown it's willing to pay $2k+ for this. Same thing happened with the phone market. Apple created the market for near $800-1000 phones. before that was unheard of. When samsung made their flagship they didn't think "wow we can undercut Apple by 50% if we made something similar", they made their similar flagships $1000+ too. Some of Samsung's phones now for example have a ~56% markup, a pretty large profit margin.
Doesn’t mean they think it’s normal. They just don’t care and have more than enough money or are compulsive buyers. You had consoles selling for $2K during covid. Does this mean consumers thought this was normal because you had a lot of buyers?
Yeah I bet the PC crowd got up thinking those 5090's will only be about £1000. They sure didn't expect to pay that much to Nvidia lol
This is the current normal market for a device at MSRP. Not scalper prices. 2K is not the scalper price. Get real with this "dishonest rhetoric", the only person who's being dishonest is you by bringing up 2k scalper prices for consoles (it never really hit that either, not regular scalper prices).
You brought up $6K, which is scalper pricing, not the MSRP.
I brought up scalper prices to show what people were willing to pay not that 2k is the scalper prices. I never said nvidia made people believe scalper prices are normal, only their MSRP.
get bent and fuck off. What's my agenda exactly.
why are you bringing up that shit in this thread? You still butthurt about it or what?
These are the market MSRP prices and people are paying it. What's bullshit about that?
No because MSRP isn't 2k in the console market. if it were then you'd have a point if you said its 499 and 699 respectively then again you are right. What are you getting at though.
And what's that exactly? Why are you so touchy still? And I'm neutral in that I've bought a 5090 if that's what you're upset about. I'm merely saying that if AMD had stock of a similar product they would charge the same since the market pays these prices.
Get out of here with this nonsense. I didn't say people aren't complaining. You're so butthurt about something that you're not even making sense. This is a problem for the market, I've even said as much in the past. Doesn't mean people aren't willing to pay 2k if AMD made a similar product or that AMD is unwilling to charge that. Please kindly fuck off.
Correct, the point isn't to keep it.
I said nobody believes $2000 is normal and you brought up people who buy scalped prices. Are these people representative of the market? No, they aren't, just like those who bought PS5s for $2K during the confinement.
Your agenda is warring and making this about PC gamers rather than NVIDIA. "Oooh, look at those hypocritical PC gamers complaining about a $700 Pro but embracing $2K GPU!" Two wrongs don't make a right.
It tells us where you stand, duh.
Bullshit about you being neutral. You aren't and have never been. The market doesn't think $2K for a high-end GPU is normal. A couple of idiots paying $5K for them doesn't disprove that. Look at the market's reaction to the 1080 Ti now considered one of the most legendary GPUs ever in no small part due to its great price. This is much closer to normal. The market is constantly whining about high-end GPU prices and you even have some hardcore buyers like Heisenberg and Overheat who admit that it's getting out of hand, so no, the market's reception of Blackwell doesn't suggest they think it's normal, on the contrary. What is happening is that NVIDIA is free to do whatever they want. Want a high-end GPU? Fuck you, pay NVIDIA.
What has this rant of yours got to do with AMD being able to charge the same because nvidia cards are selling out. Nothing. You're just butthurt for no reason.
The high-end segment is fucked. We all know this. No one is sitting here pretending things are normal. They aren’t, so stop acting like there is a double standard at play. There isn’t.
Have you?
So, an utterly pointless endeavor, got it.
But I never even mentioned some double standard ffs. I just said AMD will charge the same if they had a competing product because the market has shown that there is more demand at that price than supply because that price has been normalised yet you're throwing a fit for some reason. Not sure why but you seem very sensitive.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he/she would feel justified in going to somebody's empty house on sale down the street and literally setting it on fire because "Well the seller asked for too much money, they deserve it and the cops can't catch me anyway."
1. Destroying scalper stock isn't pointless. They're out the product and the money they spent to purchase the product. In this case, that's a $2,000 loss for them.
People have a lot of money.
Notice the use of "that performance" and talking about AMD competing at that high end:
It absolutely does make a $2k GPU for that performance normal because it's the MSRP Nvidia set and because it is selling out at that price. Nothing more, nothing less,
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's butthurt posts don't change this fact.They absolutely can make one.
Except literally no-one would do this.
