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[draliko]

So don't buy a new GPU? When the PS5 Pro released and was still being used to play PS5 games did people just quit consoles and go back to board games?

I know it's a me problem and that my pc is still working fine, it's that tech fomo sometimes really hit me hard and in the past was not a problem to thinker with new toys every year, the cost of entry was manageable, now instead it really isn't, and other than that I don't really see a benefit excluding 1 or 2 games that use path tracing. I'm saying that in this times, for me, they idea of not fighting scalpers and simply buy a new console every couple years is getting more traction in my head, I don't think the scarcity for nice HW will end easily until the next series is practically out... But I repeat it's a me problem.

 

[John Wick]

Why make shit up?

Make shit up? Give your head a shake. PC players enjoy paying Nvidia silly money year on year out. Otherwise they'd have stopped buying the product a long time ago.

 

[John Wick]

You know why.

Console warring is serious business to some.

Except GTX 5090 isn't a console duh

 

[John Wick]

Didn’t know PC users are forced into a single GPU choice

What’s consoles’s price for path tracing?

Oh right, it doesn’t exist.

I love buying the latest PC GPU's then selling them on to PC gamers for far more. This way I can pay for my PS5 Pro for free.

 

[John Wick]

Crypto was the excuse before for the outrageous prices so what is the current excuse?

Maybe stupidity?

 

[Thebonehead]

Except GTX 5090 isn't a console duh

I love buying the latest PC GPU's then selling them on to PC gamers for far more. This way I can pay for my PS5 Pro for free.

The duality of man mongs

 

[Three]

Why make shit up?

Do you see DF/youtube videos talking about the insane prices nvidia charge and how it is a scam? Do you see threads about how "the biggest conglomerate" intentionally didn't create enough stock to push people to high prices, GFN or some other ridiculous conspiracy?
During Pro launch I highlighted the Titan X reception from influencers like DF being the beginning of the end since they were lapping up the $2500 price tag with their sponsored free cards. I'm saying this as a current 5090 owner too, somebody who paid nvidias ridiculous prices.

 

[Gaiff]

Do you see DF/youtube videos talking about the insane prices nvidia charge and how it is a scam? Do you see threads about how "the biggest conglomerate" intentionally didn't create enough stock to push people to high prices, GFN or some other ridiculous conspiracy?

I don’t watch DF’s GPU reviews, but yes to all of those.

During Pro launch I highlighted the Titan X reception from influencers like DF being the beginning of the end since they were lapping up the $2500 price tag with their sponsored free cards. I'm saying this as a current 5090 owner too, somebody who paid nvidias ridiculous prices.

There are far bigger tech channels than DF, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. The guy I quoted is full of it. Everyone thinks Blackwell is overpriced garbage and none is happy with the current stock or price situation.

 

[BlackTron]

If I had bought a 5090 for myself, and I noticed the market value was 6k. I'd just flip it. My opportunity cost of ownership would be a marginal four thousand freakin dollars. I'm not sacrificing that much money to have MFG today. Holy shit.

 

[Tams]

Yawn. Same as always.

What is annoying is why AMD decided that they needed to delay their release for this entirely predictable outcome.

 

[Three]

I don’t watch DF’s GPU reviews, but yes to all of those.

There are far bigger tech channels than DF, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. The guy I quoted is full of it. Everyone thinks Blackwell is overpriced garbage and none is happy with the current stock or price situation.

I bring up DF because I have had a lengthy conversation about the state of the GPU market before and this is a thread directly linked to that state now. I especially brough up coverage by influencers like DF and their coverage of expensive GPUs without pushback on price before. This thread is the future that everybody has been living in and only now realising. This was before the 50 series that this discussion was being had:

[DF] GPU vs PS4 comparisons less important than a bleak future for GPU pricing​

Oh wait, this title never happened at DF for some reason and they were pushing these expensive GPUs over cheaper alternatives.

GPU prices are in the shitter now and shot up by an additional $500 for the same class GPU. Meaning in the past you could buy a console and a GPU for the same price as a GPU today but you won't hear a peep from DF about how GPU prices got inflated to oblivion and that bleak future we're living in already.

Now the 50s is here and again the high end has shot up a further $400 on top to a whooping $2000+.
I remember articles about a bleak future for console pricing at $699 yet nobody was talking about the bleak future for GPU prices they were already living in. What John Wick is saying is true. A lot of the PC nuts love nvidia too much. The people raising a stink about nvidia aren't the same people who were complaining about the pro.

 

[Gaiff]

I bring up DF because I have had a lengthy conversation about the state of the GPU market before and this is a thread directly linked to that state now. I especially brough up coverage by influencers like DF and their coverage of expensive GPUs without pushback on price before. This thread is the future that everybody has been living in and only now realising. This was before the 50 series that this discussion was being had.

Now the 50s is here and again the high end has shot up a further $400 on top to a whooping $2000+.
I remember articles about a bleak future for console pricing at $699 yet nobody was talking about the bleak future for GPU prices they were already living in. What John Wick is saying is true. A lot of the PC nuts love nvidia too much. The people raising a stink about nvidia aren't the same people who were complaining about the pro.

No, what John Wick is saying is complete bullshit and you need to get your head out of your ass. DF isn’t the only tech channel and plenty of big ones such as HU, GN, or even Jay2C have been critical of NVIDIA prices in the past, long before even the Titan X, as there were concerns even over the original Titan’s pricing.

Now you act as if you were a visionary who had seen things coming before everyone else when people have been hoping for well over a decade that AMD would be competitive just so they could keep NVIDIA in check. Outlets like DF wouldn’t have stopped NVIDIA’s dominance whether they spoke out or not. NVIDIA would have crushed AMD just the same and still exploited the AI boom and seen the gaming market as a bunch of suckers to scam.

Y’all need to fuck off with this garbage discourse and of course, it wouldn’t be complete without you bringing up the Pro.

 

[Three]

No, what John Wick is saying is complete bullshit and you need to get your head out of your ass. DF isn’t the only tech channel and plenty of big ones such as HU, GN, or even Jay2C have been critical of NVIDIA prices in the past, long before even the Titan X, as there were concerns even over the original Titan’s pricing.

Now you act as if you were a visionary who had seen things coming before everyone else when people have been hoping for well over a decade that AMD would be competitive just so they could keep NVIDIA in check. Outlets like DF wouldn’t have stopped NVIDIA’s dominance whether they spoke out or not. NVIDIA would have crushed AMD just the same and still exploited the AI boom and seen the gaming market as a bunch of suckers to scam.

Y’all need to fuck off with this garbage discourse and of course, it wouldn’t be complete without you bringing up the Pro.

What the fuck are you talking about? you need to get your own head out of your arse. The John Wick post you replied to mentioned the pro, not me. The whole point was about the PC players who complained about the $699 pro price then went on to say nothing about nvidia and its price gouging. If HU, GN or Jay2C didn't do this then I don’t know why you're bringing them up. He's not referring to those people. He's referring to some specific posters and outlets like DF. Not sure why you're taking offence specifically.

 

[Gaiff]

What the fuck are you talking about? you need to get your own head out of your arse. The John Wick post you replied to mentioned the pro, not me. The whole point was about the PC players who complained about the $699 pro price then went on to say nothing about nvidia and its price gouging. If HU, GN or Jay2C didn't do this then I don’t know why you're bringing them up. He's not referring to those people. He's referring to some specific posters and outlets like DF. Not sure why you're taking offence specifically.

He didn’t say specific posters. He straight-up said "PC players", so he’s like that SweetTooth troll who pretends that PC gamers won’t criticize NVIDIA but will criticize the Pro, which is garbage. Nobody loves complaining more than PC gamers over every little thing. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Pro was and is overpriced. NVIDIA’s products even more grossly so.

No need to turn this into a stupid platform/fanboy war. The general PC community in the past has repeatedly criticized NVIDIA, but when they offer the best products, people will buy regardless, so all that moaning ends up just being hot air.

 

[Three]

He didn’t say specific posters. He straight-up said "PC players", so he’s like that SweetTooth troll who pretends that PC gamers won’t criticize NVIDIA but will criticize the Pro, which is garbage. Nobody loves complaining more than PC gamers over every little thing. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Pro was and is overpriced. NVIDIA’s products even more grossly so.

No need to turn this into a stupid platform/fanboy war. The general PC community in the past has repeatedly criticized NVIDIA, but when they offer the best products, people will buy regardless, so all that moaning ends up just being hot air.

It's not difficult to infer he's pointing out the hypocrisy of those who go dark when nvidia does this shit and buy their products regardless. Yet you took offense. He didn't say there are zero complaints.

 

[Gaiff]

It's not difficult to infer he's pointing out the hypocrisy of those who go dark when nvidia does this shit and buy their products regardless. Yet you took offense. He didn't say there are zero complaints.

It’s also not difficult to infer he’s a platform warrior who posts in bad faith like Sweet Tooth. His post was deliberately inflammatory, lacked nuance, and was obviously made as a sort of gotcha moment. This guy doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. He saw an opportunity to troll and took it.

 

[Three]

It’s also not difficult to infer he’s a platform warrior who posts in bad faith like Sweet Tooth. His post was deliberately inflammatory, lacked nuance, and was obviously made as a sort of gotcha moment. This guy doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. He saw an opportunity to troll and took it.

Sure, but this doesn't change the fact that what he mentioned did actually happen. I gave you an example and you got touchy about it. Just let it go.

 

[Gaiff]

Sure, but this doesn't change the fact that what he mentioned did actually happen. I gave you an example and you got touchy about it. Just let it go.

The generalization he made was bullshit and the guy is a troll, yet here you are defending him and liking his post, encouraging such stupidity.

If anyone needs to let this go, it’s you. You’re out there supporting a blatant troll.

 

[Thebonehead]

What the fuck are you talking about? you need to get your own head out of your arse. The John Wick post you replied to mentioned the pro, not me. The whole point was about the PC players who complained about the $699 pro price then went on to say nothing about nvidia and its price gouging. If HU, GN or Jay2C didn't do this then I don’t know why you're bringing them up. He's not referring to those people. He's referring to some specific posters and outlets like DF. Not sure why you're taking offence specifically.

You need to get your head out of John Wick s arse. You're so far up you can see daylight.

Why you feel the need to white knight a turgid fanboy god only knows

This is what you are gushing over

It's ok PC players only complain when they see Sony selling the PS5 Pro for $699. They absolutely love Nvidia raping their arses on a regular basis.

Remember the PC brigade saying Sony are being greedy charging $699 for PS5 Pro???
I love it when Nvidia rapes their arses on a regular basis and they love it.

 

[gtabro]

What retards are even buying these cards lol

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

What retards are even buying these cards lol

People who are part of the problem.

 

[bad guy]

The GPU market is 5090s?

 

[Three]

The generalization he made was bullshit and the guy is a troll, yet here you are defending him and liking his post, encouraging such stupidity.

If anyone needs to let this go, it’s you. You’re out there supporting a blatant troll.

you're out here making it seem like I'm funding terrorism or something. I just agree with the posters sentiment. Bunch of people making a huge fuss about it before don’t do the same now.

 

[Gaiff]

you're out here making it seem like I'm funding terrorism or something. I just agree with the posters sentiment. Bunch of people making a huge fuss about it before don’t do the same now.

You're supporting a troll who spews bullshit. You're free to do whatever you want.

 

[StereoVsn]

The GPU market is 5090s?

5080s are also impossible to find and go for stupid prices on eBay. It’s going to be quite interesting to see what happens with 5070Ti and 5070.

 

[damidu]

You're supporting a troll who spews bullshit. You're free to do whatever you want.

nah the "troll" obviously hits a correct nerve, thats why you are flipping.

 

[Gaiff]

nah the "troll" obviously hits a correct nerve, thats why you are flipping.

Try harder.

 

[Three]

You're supporting a troll who spews bullshit. You're free to do whatever you want.

"Supporting". Again I'm not funding a gofundme. I'm agreeing with somebody's point of view. Deal with it. I've seen you "supporting" Alex battaglia too and he says just as much bullshit on the other side. Doesn't mean you can never agree with them.

 

[BacklashWave534]

its good for us console gamers. People will realise the great value of console gaming.
A tariff console price will still be way cheaper than these standalone GPU price now.

Tarrifs have nothing to do with this. Tarriffs would have added another 10% onto the card which would have raised the price to $2200.

 

[hinch7]

5080s are also impossible to find and go for stupid prices on eBay. It’s going to be quite interesting to see what happens with 5070Ti and 5070.

5070Ti's supply is supposed to be quite low. So its launch will also be shit show.

5070 on the other hand I doubt will be scalped that much because the performance uplift just isn't going to be there but who knows.

 

[Gaiff]

"Supporting". Again I'm not funding a gofundme. I'm agreeing with somebody's point of view. Deal with it. I've seen you supporting Alex battaglia too and he says just as much bullshit on the other side. Doesn't mean you can never agree with them.

His point of view was a weak drive-by post. When Alex Battaglia says brilliant stuff such as this:

I love buying the latest PC GPU's then selling them on to PC gamers for far more. This way I can pay for my PS5 Pro for free.

Remember the PC brigade saying Sony are being greedy charging $699 for PS5 Pro???
I love it when Nvidia rapes their arses on a regular basis and they love it.

You can make a comparison. Until then, you supported idiocy and got called out for it. Instead of going, "yeah, his post was trollish and dumb", you double down and tell other reasonable posters to quit. Your defense is getting comical.

 

[bobone]

Through the 90s and 2000s there was a very strong argument for PC gaming. I was very lucky to have a one, and it was great. So many exclusives, and entire genres that didn't exist on console.
But today there is just no way to justify a $5000 Pc vs a $500 console when you are going to be playing the same multi-platform titles anyway.

And what Nvidia has been doing lately is pure garbage. Every card other than the 90 series is a complete ripoff.

If anyone is unaware, the 5080 has the same core count proportionally to the 2060. You're paying $1,000 retail for a 5060, with a different name on it.

 

[Three]

His point of view was a weak drive-by post. When Alex Battaglia says brilliant stuff such as this:


You can make a comparison. Until then, you supported idiocy and got called out for it. Instead of going, "yeah, his post was trollish and dumb", you double down and tell other reasonable posters to quit. Your defense is getting comical.

Did I interact with those posts at all? You're getting ridiculous here. I don't check a person's entire post history to see what they might have said before agreeing with a comment they've made. Stop the stupidity of claiming I'm "supporting" anything. I agree with the specific post I commented on, nothing else. You can take that how you will but if you want my advice you're getting way too touchy.

PS. yes Alex is often a troll too.

 

[damidu]

Try harder.

nah not worth it for a "platform warrior"
you should probably try less though, seem like on the verge of a nervous breakdown or something

 

[Gaiff]

Did I interact with those posts at all? You're getting ridiculous here. I don't check a person's entire post history to see what they might have said before agreeing with a comment they've made. Stop the stupidity of claiming I'm "supporting" anything. I agree with the specific post I commented on, nothing else. You can take that how you will

The very post you agreed with was stupid.

but if you want my advice you're getting way too touchy .

I made a simple reply to his post. You quoted me defending it and doubled down on white knighting it. I'm saying you agreed with stupidity. Take it as you will.

 

[StereoVsn]

Through the 90s and 2000s there was a very strong argument for PC gaming. I was very lucky to have a one, and it was great. So many exclusives, and entire genres that didn't exist on console.
But today there is just no way to justify a $5000 Pc vs a $500 console when you are going to be playing the same multi-platform titles anyway.

And what Nvidia has been doing lately is pure garbage. Every card other than the 90 series is a complete ripoff.

If anyone is unaware, the 5080 has the same core count proportionally to the 2060. You're paying $1,000 retail for a 5060, with a different name on it.

????

$500 PS5 is the equivalent of ~$1000 PC or less (which will have a better CPU).

$700 Pro (personally I would consider that $800 due to big differences in digital game marketplaces on PC vs PSN) equivalent or better you can build something like that for $1300-1400? It’s under 7800xt “horse power” in GPU side.

Folks building $4-5K PCs (current Nvidia shit show will ease up in a few months except for 5090) won’t even consider only playing on PS5 Pro.

 

[Three]

The very post you agreed with was stupid.

In your opinion. They have nothing to do with the posts you're bringing up now though. What you're doing now is stupidity. As if I have to know a person to discuss a point they are making.

I made a simple reply to his post. You quoted me defending it and doubled down on white knighting it. I'm saying you agreed with stupidity. Take it as you will.

Yes I "defended it" by showing where it was occurring because you wrote "why make shit up". Just pointed out that wasn't made up if you don't generalise. I can just as easily say you're "white knighting" those hypocrites and DF but it would be just as stupidly false.

 

[Gaiff]

Through the 90s and 2000s there was a very strong argument for PC gaming.

There still is. Did the 5090's launch somehow made every other GPU disappear from the planet or something? Is the $5000 PC the only one available? The 5090 is certainly bad for top-end GPUs and it's slowly trickling down to lower end models, but the mid-tier and even high-end one are still viable depending on where you look.

And what Nvidia has been doing lately is pure garbage. Every card other than the 90 series is a complete ripoff.

Every card besides the $1600-2,000 ones is a ripoff?

In your opinion. They have nothing to do with the posts you're bringing up now though. What you're doing now is stupidity. As if I have to know a person to discuss a point they are making.

Yes I "defended it" by showing where it was occurring because you wrote "why make shit up". Just pointed out that wasn't made up if you don't generalise. I can just as easily say you're "white knighting" those hypocrites and DF but it would be just as stupidly false.

Dude, stop this shit. You're digging yourself further into a hole. His post was generalized and it was obvious that it was. I brought up his other posts in this very thread and you idiotically went "bu bu but I didn't look at his post history" when it was on the same page. There was no nuance, no isolating a specific subset of gamers. It was just, "fuck you PC gamers" and you're being a fool about it. Now stop wasting my time with your utter nonsense. You were wrong and still are. Just admit and move on. Then you're making even more nonsensical and moronic comparison with DF as if I ever agreed with DF doing the equivalent of drive-by posting crap. Ridiculous.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

People who are part of the problem.

Unfortunately there will always be people who are willing to pay scalpers

 

[Three]

Every card besides the $1600-2,000 ones is a ripoff?

Funnily enough, he's following DF talking points if you read the posts that I linked about the GPU market:

They were pushing the more expensive $1600 GPU in that article as the better alternative though.

That would have been bad for PC gaming and nvidia. What they did there though is push people to a $1600 4090 as the better alternative.

Great for nvidia but not so great for the GPU market. But sure I have my head up my ass.

Dude, stop this shit. You're digging yourself further into a hole. His post was generalized and it was obvious that it was. I brought up his other posts in this very thread and you idiotically went "bu bu but I didn't look at his post history" when it was on the same page. There was no nuance, no isolating a specific subset of gamers. It was just, "fuck you PC gamers" and you're being a fool about it. Now stop wasting my time with your utter nonsense. You were wrong and still are. Just admit and move on. Then you're making even more nonsensical and moronic comparison with DF as if I ever agreed with DF doing the equivalent of drive-by posting crap. Ridiculous.

I'm not in a hole to dig myself out of but I can see you're still way too touchy about this and took some personal offence from his post.

 

[Gaiff]

I'm not in a hole to dig myself out of but I can see you're still way too touchy about this and took some personal offence from his post.

I said he was making shit up. That’s it. I took far more of an issue with your pathetic defense than I did with John Wick’s post. His was just a troll. Yours were willfully ignorant.

 

[BlackTron]

Yawn. Same as always.

What is annoying is why AMD decided that they needed to delay their release for this entirely predictable outcome.

Nvidia and AMD have had this relationship for such a bizarrely long time it's turning into some weird batman and joker shit

 

[dave_d]

5080s are also impossible to find and go for stupid prices on eBay. It’s going to be quite interesting to see what happens with 5070Ti and 5070.

That and the 9070/9070xt. I know I've said this before but I was thinking of an upgrade, most likely the 5070ti if it were available at MSRP(LOL) I'd consider the 9070/9070xt since I've had AMD cards before but the last time I was looking to get a video card (late 2020/early 2021) it was actually easier to get Nvidia than the newly launched AMD cards. (I ended up getting a 3070.) I wonder if AMD will F-up this new release.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I love buying the latest PC GPU's then selling them on to PC gamers for far more. This way I can pay for my PS5 Pro for free.

Do we have to remind peoples how PS5 was scalped?

Good for you that nobody cares enough for PS5 pro that it didn't happen and you can buy one easily.

 

[FingerBang]

That and the 9070/9070xt. I know I've said this before but I was thinking of an upgrade, most likely the 5070ti if it were available at MSRP(LOL) I'd consider the 9070/9070xt since I've had AMD cards before but the last time I was looking to get a video card (late 2020/early 2021) it was actually easier to get Nvidia than the newly launched AMD cards. (I ended up getting a 3070.) I wonder if AMD will F-up this new release.

I don't think any of the Nvidia cards will be available in big supply at launch. It won't be as bad as a 5090 and eventually you'll be able to buy one, but I really doubt there will be a tom of availability at launch.

The AMD cards have been in stores for a month or so, which means AMD should have plenty of supply in March. If you don't care about ray tracing, the 9070xt sounds amazing (on paper). It's just a matter of how well the cards perform in RT and how good FSR4 is.

 

[Skifi28]

Nvidia and AMD have had this relationship for such a bizarrely long time it's turning into some weird batman and joker shit

It's almost like they're cousins.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Not surprised at all, but shame on any idiots that encourage this.

 

[Rush2112]

I don’t think Ive seen one good review for 5080. It literally sucks ass.

 

[StereoVsn]

I don’t think Ive seen one good review for 5080. It literally sucks ass.

In comparison to a 4080S, yes, but if you are upgrading from 3000 or earlier series (or AMD equivalent) it brings significant improvements.

It also appears to have a fairly high OC headroom. I think the big question is how will 5070Ti perform and how does 9070XT fit in. It’s not like you can buy a new 4080S anymore (or at least for a reasonable price).

 

[simpatico]

Woof. I'm happy I bought in when I did. Basically last minute. All the 4xxxx series and even the AMD cards are all over MSRP on the sites I can find. Also in very short supply. My $200 gently used 6750xt is looking better and better (on my 1080p monitor)!

I'm having a hard time imagining where the 5xxx series Nvidia cards will even slot in terms of perf. The only thing that makes economic sense is that they will be 10-15% faster than the previous gen. If it's anymore, people will just buy 4xxxx series. Maybe that's why they dried up so quickly...