bad guy
as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
I got me a RX6600 last year (upgrade)
AMD $200-$500 GPUs are pretty good for the price imho. I used to buy nvidia only in the past, but since raytracing RTX cards im buying AMD
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GPU market is Screwed! RTX 5090's are selling for $6,000+
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AMD $200-$500 GPUs are pretty good for the price imho. I used to buy nvidia only in the past, but since raytracing RTX cards im buying AMD
Corporal.Hicks
Member
For me, it's the other way around. Two decades ago, buying a console was a must, because otherwise you would not be able to play many amazing games (console exclusives). These days, however, most AAA games are ported to PC, and with the PC platform allowing for much higher settings and framerates, I no longer see the point in buying a console.
You are saying that people on PC play the same games, but that's not exactly the truth. Cyberpunk on my RTX4080S look next gen compared to PS5 version and especially when moded. The same with black myth wukong or alan wake 2. The vast majority of games from my library run at native 4K 120fps, with the exception of the most demanding RT and PT games. In these games I need to use DLSS + FG to get 120fps but that's still fast superior image quality and framerate compared to PS5 games.
Consoles have lost their appeal for me. I see no point in playing the same games at a lower quality and frame rate.
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BlackTron
Member
I've been playing platformers on console and FPS, RTS and tower defense games on PC since the dawn of time.
The only thing that really changed is that consoles suck a lot less at FPS now because you can get one with better framerates (for more than 500) and plug in a mouse.
PC is still essential for RTS/tower defense type games, which do not require a $5000 PC. In fact if all my PC hardware died I'd still have starcraft on potato laptop. It's weird to me that because expensive components come out, we drop all PC gaming. Very very weird. lol
Bernoulli
M2 slut
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
So is production going to ramp up? I was actually planning to get a new computer this year. Have 3k budget. But this is not looking good.
manfestival
Member
Shame that this is what a paper launch leads up to since there is such little supply for the demand of this card
DryvBy
Member
Video cards do?
I think we've entered "nVidia doesn't care about gaming GPUs anymore so let's underproduce them and overcharge for them since this is not a big leap in tech this cycle" territory. The worst part is the AAA market is complicit in this bullshit by building their games around nVidia's AI GPU tech instead of actually optimizing and building their games correctly. Consoles are suffering and anyone not willing to shell out for at least a 4080/5080 level GPU is also suffering.
Yours truly, a 4070 Super owner who is baffled as to why the MHWilds benchmark is so choppy and underwhelming on my $1700 machine.
Yours truly, a 4070 Super owner who is baffled as to why the MHWilds benchmark is so choppy and underwhelming on my $1700 machine.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
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PeteBull
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Kenpachi always had the best words of wisdom.
manfestival
Member
Well that's how it's always been. Just supply and demand in full swing. Paper launch will do that too.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Not really that’s quite reductionist too.
Before Nvidia focused on GPUs. With the explosion of AI it’s clear that Nvidia will focus less and less on consumer cards as that’s not what makes them rich.
AMDs technology is significantly inferior. So who’s left? Even if demand is great, you can only ask so much for a consumer card.
I won’t be surprised to see a $3500 card without tax at some point.
manfestival
Member
While I get it, I wasn't exactly attempting to be nuanced. We can definitely have that conversation but nothing I said was wrong. You aren't exactly stating anything countering to my words just more adding to it. It didn't really become this way till the mining shortages. Was only trying to add your words not actually posting against you fyi. There is more nuance to be added to your post as well but... yeah.
asdasdasdbb
Member
That one definately "Fell off the back of a truck"
night13x
Member
I count my lucky stars.
MSI 4090 Suprem Liquid X edition (one of the best 4090 out there) for $1800 at microcenter.
From the reviews, the 5090 doesnt really feel like a big gen upgrade at all (just 20-30% raster and multi frame gen).
I'm sitting good for at least another 2 years.
MSI 4090 Suprem Liquid X edition (one of the best 4090 out there) for $1800 at microcenter.
From the reviews, the 5090 doesnt really feel like a big gen upgrade at all (just 20-30% raster and multi frame gen).
I'm sitting good for at least another 2 years.
Ulysses 31
Member
MSI, Asus and Gigabyte 5080s are showing up in shops but at 2000 Euro though. 
John Wick
Member
No trolling or bullshit. There were many especially PC players barking about Sony charging $699 for the Pro and forgetting the current climate and how costs have gone up significantly. I reminded them back then that Nvidia was far worse than anything Sony was charging and they didn't complain then.
Crayon
Member
Flipside of this .... a lot of people think the $550 5070 is "lower than expected".
You know what really sucks? I am considering a gpu upgrade, but it's only because of these super heavy games that don't even look that good. Monster hunter looks just okay and kills my machine. Meanwhile Indy looks great and would run fine.
Wukong that is hard to run at least looks very good.
If I don't upgrade any time soon, it will be a good consolation that it was only going to be for these games that are asking so much/too much. At least I'll have an option to run them better than ps5. I can live with that.
You know what really sucks? I am considering a gpu upgrade, but it's only because of these super heavy games that don't even look that good. Monster hunter looks just okay and kills my machine. Meanwhile Indy looks great and would run fine.
Wukong that is hard to run at least looks very good.
If I don't upgrade any time soon, it will be a good consolation that it was only going to be for these games that are asking so much/too much. At least I'll have an option to run them better than ps5. I can live with that.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
what a shitshow
me trying to be a reasonable consumer:
me trying to be a reasonable consumer:
deeptech
Member
One could probably outscalp the scalpers by getting a card at inflated price and then sell at even more inflated price without problem. Insane shit, and with custom manufacturers raising prices at whim to use limited stock situation, I really have much less desire to invest in a new GPU atm. But again, people dictate the prices, if no one agreed with this bullshit, companies would've been apologizing and lowering prices and promising to be better and who knows what already at large.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Might burn their house down if they try mining on it.
rm082e
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
There’s nothing out that the 9070XT won’t play just fine.
Only FOMO suckers are buying 5090s.
John Wick
Member
The funny thing is though that Sony isn't even making that much off a PS5 Pro console as shown by their latest financial report. Nowhere near what Nvidia will be making per unit.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I apologize if it came across a bit gruff as that wasn’t my intention at all. In hindsight I could have chosen my words a bit better there at the beginning.
Only if Nvidia are limited by wafers rather than packaging technology on their A.I cards, which doesn't seem to be the case.
coffinbirth
Member
Common fucking sense, for one.
I don't think you understand how this process works...at all.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
But Sony are then adding a 30% markup on all software that is bought to run on that hardware.
rubik's dude
Member
Actually, you don't understand.
Somebody could order a 5090 from a scalper, damage it, initiate a return claiming the item was damaged during shipping, which leaves the seller with two options:
1. Fight the return, in which case it goes to arbitration with ebay, and ebay will side with the buyer for damaged/INAD (Item Not As Described) cases. They'll forcibly take the funds from the seller and won't even require the buyer to return the 5090.
2. Just do the return, because #1 will happen if they don't.
The seller can then file a police report if they believe mail fraud has occurred, which will result it nothing happening, because the seller can't prove the package wasn't damaged during shipping.
And the best thing about this is, nothing is stopping people from doing it.
If you have a problem with it, then you're probably just a scalper that's scared of getting screwed.
John Wick
Member
Yeah but that's all platform holders dude
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Right but Nvidia aren't a platform holder. If Sony weren't taking that 30% - do you think the price of the PS5 would be unchanged?
Now Nvidia are still gouging, but comparing a platform holder to a hardware manufacturer is like complaining a game costs money to buy when other games are free to play.
coffinbirth
Member
You do realize you would have to send this item back to the seller, or else be on the hook for the purchase price, right?
Skifi28
Member
#Sonytoo
kiphalfton
Member
Sad to say, but I highly doubt it is ever coming down again.
kiphalfton
Member
Have you ever sold anything on eBay?
Doesn't matter if a buyer has 0 feedback and are clearly a scammer. eBay doesn't care, and the majority of the time they will side with the buyer.
It's truly an uphill battle, but not surprising when eBay gets 13.25% fee (as well as relatively small insertion fee and order fee), so of course eBay is going to let it slide. Doesn't help they're otherwise losing out on the money they make from fees if they side with the seller.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
#Sony
The two companies are operating under a different business model. Once Nvidia sell you a card that's basically it. Why do you think they prefer selling in the AI space where they get to sell racks and a whole bunch of other shit, plus support contracts etc.
John Wick
Member
But Sony are a hardware manufacturer and a platform holder. Nvidia are out of control on the pricing. They are not similar. Go back 10 years and look at the price situation for equivalent cards. It's a joke but the PC crowd lap it up and enjoy bending over for Nvidia.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Welcome to Moore's Law being dead.
hinch7
Member
You're getting fleeced with overpriced hardware, games and services. At least with PC hardware the cost is not hidden behind game costs and services.
Besides this is an Nvidia problem. They are allowing this to happen because they have no incentive to price them any better. They are making multitudes more from enterprise than that from gaming, and there is practically no competition in the DGPU market. Much like Sony right now in the high powered console space.
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John Wick
Member
You need to stop this nonsense. Nvidia are simply ripping off customers. Their price hikes are legendary. The reason they aren't called out for it much is because the PC community perversely enjoy getting raped by Nvidia so that they can claim playing at 4k and 200fps etc unlike us console peasants. Otherwise they'd stop buying 5090's to send a clear message to Nvidia.