Boss Mog
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Lowest DRS factor increased from 0.6 to 0.8 and Water Quailty changed from High to Ultra.
Graphic preset comparison from PS5 to PS5 Pro from No Mans Sky files
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Try to bring this type of argument with Gamepass in the other thread… Seems people done understand adding something doesn't necessarily mean it subtracts somewhere else.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
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Here is a wild thought: the testing for PS5 Pro is not even remotely close to done as they have focused on launching on available platforms.
Crazy talk, I know.
Crazy talk, I know.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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It's just one game?
The Lunch Legend
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Very much this!
Every time I see Pro doubters pop up in a thread, I have no idea where it's coming from.
Bitterness?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
… and RT. Games like Spider-man 2 could push draw distance further, add more NPCs, and still keep their RT@60 FPS mode perhaps increasing resolution as well thanks to the very large RT boost too in addition to increased resources and clocks (the game needs to take in account RT in many instances without tanking framerate so they need to plan their budget for worst case scenarios).
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I don't see any Pro doubters. I just see people being realistic about its capabilities...
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Yeah. I'm sure its a mix of things - none of it healthy. Definitely a sprinkling of console warring in there. And if you look at the future hardware prospects of Xbox, then as you say bitterness fits and jealousy too.
That said, I get why it wont be enough for some. For me I'm very excited for it. Its just that bit more capability to bring more image fidelity to 60fps modes, where I'm sure it'll deliver well.
I'll still be enjoying some BC stuff on an XSX, but also revisiting lots of Pro improved PS5 stuff too. To each their own I guess.
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Useless how? 4 pro got all the hit titles right before ps5, the generation technically starts with pro.
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Lysandros
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Its effect on the already thinly stretched gaming industry is quite mandatory though. Gamers complaining about the unoptimized state of software and lack of generational wow factor should be aware that their demands are shaping the industry. Everything has a price, including more options. Recourses aren't infinite, quality isn't about brute force.
Once you surpass 500w of power for a single gpu, it doesn't matter how powerful it is.
I don't expect there to be issues in stretching the gaming industry. If anything they can completely ignore its existence and it will still likely run those games better in dynamic resolution modes or unlocked framerate modes. I do see what you're saying about generational wow factor though since generations have just become about pushing res and framerate higher instead of other more game changing things.
Fess
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You don't think FOMO will pull you in if that takes another 8 years?
If you can handle the higher price and want to shorten the wait then there is PC
bender
What time is it?
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
I just think about what I would have missed by skipping PS5 and waiting for the Pro. I think the list is Demon Souls. I've played other PS5-only titles of course, but that's the one that would be tempting. Most of the games I purchase still have PS4 versions and cross-generation and other platforms makes it easier to wait.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
AF still 4x. Looks legit.
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Fess
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I understand your feeling. Felt the same way last generation. PS4 Pro rumours circulated and I felt like I hadn't seen many games fully utilizing PS4. Then never bought the Pro and late generation felt like how I assume it is to have the Series S. Inferior versions on everything.
And here we are again.
I'm actively trying to detach from consoles now, I've rebought the games I enjoyed the most on Playstation and Xbox on Steam.
PS5 Pro is easily ignored, my PC is my Pro.
Xbox Next should be easy too, everything is on PC day 1 now.
PS6 will be difficult… But it depends on what they're doing. This generation the whole platform is about timed exclusivity so it's just a matter of handling FOMO from PC delays. Next generation could be something else.
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Moores law future for gpus on jeopardy, there is no evidence we're really getting ahead of what we have already, we're stuck and it may be the weakness of 10th gen.You don't think FOMO will pull you in if that takes another 8 years?
If you can handle the higher price and want to shorten the wait then there is PC
Can AI draw prettier waifus, environment, nature etc..? If AI is meant to make enemies trickier I don't want to get deep in that rabbit hole cause that's a way specific approach to define a generation, there must be much more than that to experience next gen.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Tell us more about those internal briefings you've been a part of.
HeisenbergFX4
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Power wise I agree but lets see what PSSR brings to the table.
I have said for a very long time people would be let down by what they saw on paper
reinking
Gold Member
People keep saying PS5 Pro brings nothing new but this is the answer.
jm89
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Ray tracing probably. But this far into gt7 lifecycle don't know if polyphony want to bother.
Markio128
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I feel like PD will be one of the first to implement Pro improvements, as they were in adding a VR mode.
Unknown Soldier
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ER has CPU usage issues and drops frames even on beastly gaming PC's so no of course it won't
Mr.Phoenix
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I am curious about something.
If the PS5pro, something that is about 50% more powerful than the PS5. Released 4 years after the OG and will likely cost around $100 more... is "useless".
What do those who say that think about Nvidia making a 4080 a year or so after the 3080 came to market, also about 50% more powerful, albeit $500 more expensive? Or of every single GPU upgrade/new model that has been released in say the last 20 years?
Serious question here... I would really like to know.
I would also want to know why we never hear the "useless" conversation with regards to GPU upgrades. Again, real question here, I generally like to think of myself as someone who keeps an open mind, so I am looking at this as a learning moment, to understand whats going on here...
If the PS5pro, something that is about 50% more powerful than the PS5. Released 4 years after the OG and will likely cost around $100 more... is "useless".
What do those who say that think about Nvidia making a 4080 a year or so after the 3080 came to market, also about 50% more powerful, albeit $500 more expensive? Or of every single GPU upgrade/new model that has been released in say the last 20 years?
Serious question here... I would really like to know.
I would also want to know why we never hear the "useless" conversation with regards to GPU upgrades. Again, real question here, I generally like to think of myself as someone who keeps an open mind, so I am looking at this as a learning moment, to understand whats going on here...
Feel Like I'm On 42
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It's just people being extra salty over the idea of a PS5 Pro ...which I cam understand but don't agree with. It "feels" to people like these consoles havn't been utilized fully and so PS5 Pro is "unnecessary".
People fell for the hype surrounding what the PS5 would "eventually" be able to do in a "few years" due to all the SSD and Unreal Engine 5 demos hype. Then with Cross Gen being so long people think "the generation is only just now starting". These assumptions are wrong though and people need to accept that PS5 is already by and large being fully realized.
I do think there has been a shift AWAY from devs striving for the most cutting edge graphics but thats because: a) publishers collectively realized how successful Nintendo/Fortnite approach has been with neither of those needing cutting edge graphics and b) these consoles were never THAT powerful. We've seen where these consoles fall in terms of poor image quality and low resolutions whenever theyre pushed.
This gen is almost 4 years in the making now and games are becoming a lot more demanding so its a no brainer to get a hardware upgrade that specifically focuses on upscaling and Ray tracing ...the two most important next gen features this generation and the two things that were most lacking in the design of these consoles.
ChiefDada
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midnightAI
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Looking at a config file to determine what a console is capable of
vivftp
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Hi, my name is vivftp and I hear you're looking to answer why there aren't complaints about annual GPU releases while there are complaints about a mid-gen refresh 4 years into a console gen. Well friend, I am here to answer that for you. You see, the answer is that the folks complaining about the mid-gen refresh are fucking losers who are bitter asshats with no life and too much time to waste looking for shit to bitch and moan about that doesn't affect them in the least. They also hate to see other people happy and excited for things so the moment they see that, they gotta jump in and spread some bullshit around.
I hope this has been an informative learning moment for you.
MarkMe2525
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I mean, just because a developer chooses not to implement many upgrades, does not lead any credence to the idea that they couldn't.
vivftp
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Additionally, these are just some scraps of information from an update when the PS5 Pro is still about 4 months out. More changes could be implemented in this particular game by then
MarkMe2525
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the gpu is only 45% more powerful. the settings wont change much if they are targeting higher framerates.
the pro's biggest benefits are going to be better ray tracing performance which could easily be as high as 100% and AI upscaling. those wont show up in the settings for a game like no mans sky.
the pro's biggest benefits are going to be better ray tracing performance which could easily be as high as 100% and AI upscaling. those wont show up in the settings for a game like no mans sky.
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Dorfdad
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people said PS5 was doomed because Xbox had better tech specs, but that's not how it works all the time now. So many variables and Sony speed out the PS5 and it competes and wins over better hardware currently. An improved design and much newer tech with some fine tuning and the Pro is going to close the gap on visual parity with Most PC's. Sure PC's will have better frames etc but from a visual perspective it's going to be hard to tell the difference in most titles.
darrylgorn
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The fixed function pipeline is 45% but the end results will look better than what we would have gotten from 100% better using the older GPU design because of what it will force devs to do. Focus on compute & ML over just pushing more pixels & triangles.
Ashamam
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Poeple still talking about this? It literally means nothing about performance, it could be the config file after multiple passes and QA, or it could be the config file after a intern was told to take a look on their lunch break, got interrupted after 15 minutes and it got rolled into mainline release somehow. To be clear I think its not either of those, but I lean way more towards early work in progress, almost certainly pre PSSR. (assuming they bother to implement it, but Hello games seems a likely candidate to do so, they have been pretty supportive of PS specific tech in the past)
It might go some way to convincing a few of the holdouts who think it doesn't exist though I guess.
It might go some way to convincing a few of the holdouts who think it doesn't exist though I guess.
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This still annoys me to this day, optimise games for 16x AF! You've got all these super detailed textures but the impact is lost if they turn to mush a few meters away from the camera.
NeverYouMind
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Also freakin' Virtua Fighter and Mortal Kombat 2 in near arcade perfect form (AI in MK2 is better even)! Almost a generational leap.
Fess
Member
There is no restrictions on a PC, no removed options menu or capping the framerate at 60 or 120 or being forced into dynamic resolutions or specific antialiasing methods.
You can test how good a new graphics card is on a 10 year old game if you want.
Can still be an unnecessary upgrade of course if you're up at 400fps or whatever, but you can at least see the power difference.
On console you're stuck using modes predefined by a developer like here with ini files.
If developers don't push the new hardware enough because the old hardware is the main target then you'll never see what it's capable of. You'll end up looking at versus videos on Digital Foundry zooming in 300x to spot dynamic resolution changes and frametime graphs.
Eventually you'll look at the tech specs and wonder where all the power went and then wish they had started a new generation instead where devs could target the new hardware.
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Sw0pDiller
Banned
Yeah that was my plan also after my ps4pro. But then i saw demons souls remaster… that game was heaven. Best 450 euro i ever spend. I think i could not have hold out on buying a ps5 with all these games that came out for the last three years.