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[DoubleClutch]

B580 has 12GB of VRAM and edges an RTX 4060 for a $250 USD. It performs phenomenally in content creation, has all the necessary features and capabilities, XeSS is constantly getting better, and the drivers are only improving.

I know there are elitists that will balk at this and say “yawn, let me know when it beats a 5090 for $500”… but let’s take a moment to applaud what Intel has been able to achieve in a short amount of time, through turbulent market conditions no less. They created a competitive GPU division from nothing and are slowly catching up to companies with decades of R&D invested.

I think with it and more focus on this segment from AMD, things are looking great for PC gaming.

To me, PC isn’t all about high end performance. It’s about options. I especially don’t believe that high end gaming is all that special nowadays as Path Tracing, etc., while nice, don’t make a game fun, and are too expensive for what you get from it. That mid-range sweet spot is perfect for getting 90% of the experience for a fraction of the cost.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I hope it works for them. We need more competition and it's a great segment of the market to go after.

The only thing to hit nvidia is any kind of kink to their armour.

If they can claim a few percent of market share to begin with. That would be awesome.

 

[SScorpio]

The issue is that we'll just see what NVIDIA and AMD announce in about a week and a half. Beating the RTX 4060 for less is great. But it's the first of the next generation of GPUs being released. And it has to keep its value against the new cards from its competitors.

It's great that there's now an anchor price and performance for the main/budget tier. But I'd wager the B700 cards weren't announced yet because Intel wants to see what NVIDIA and AMD launch so Intel can figure out what to price their mid range cards at.

 

[//DEVIL//]

did the OP just buy the card and want to justify his purchase for this peasant video card ?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Intel is purposely pricing it low and possibly making no profit to try and grab market share but if you think this is sustainable long term I have some bridges to sell you

If Intel actually gets some market share they will start raising prices to match AMD and Nvidia

 

[Sybrix]

did the OP just buy the card and want to justify his purchase for this peasant video card ?

It's such a good thing that Intel have brought their own cards to the market place.

Do you really want Nvidia dominating and fixing the prices?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Yeah the 12GB Intel card would be near perfect for my 1080P ass but I'll want them to release a 16GB version just to feel extra secure for some future proofing. They could stick to 10GB, 12GB, and 16GB as their low, mid, and high end for the consumer friendly tier.

 

[winjer]

My expectation is for the B700 series.
Maybe RTX 4070 - 4080 performance, for under 500$.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Intel is just late to the party. But for a 2nd effort, they're made huge progress.

I want to see what their B780 will perform like.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Intel will remain in the market as long as they enjoy lighting money on fire.

 

[kevboard]

thanks to the B580 you now can build a PC for around $600, that is right in-between the PS5 and PS5 Pro in terms of performance

Ryzen 3600, a cheap motherboard, 16GB DDR4 3200, Intel B580, 1 TB SSD and a cheap 700W PSU should all come out at around $580~$620
and raytracing performance as well as the AI upsampling should both help it punch above the PS5 in terms of image quality and performance in many games.

 

[DoubleClutch]

did the OP just buy the card and want to justify his purchase for this peasant video card ?

No, I have a 3070.

 

[BennyBlanco]

How is the driver situation? My only fear with these is Intel has to abandon them because the company is doing so bad and driver support dries up. On paper they sound great for the price.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

i have seen this narrative. at least they won a PR win with this card. They need to be consistently good and competitive.

 

[Magic Carpet]

It seems to have all the features of current gen Nvidia cards just not the ooomph. yet.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Reminder that you actually have to buy this for it to start to impact sales to the point where Nvidia notices and moves this tier past 128 bit 8GB. If people just complain, congratulate this, and buy the nvidia card anyways, we keep getting what we deserve. It's been NINE years of not moving this tier past 8GB and basically no movement for 4 years on performance. Some try to reduce Intel's accomplishment here by saying of course it's a bit better it's several quarters later, but who made the state of things that even that could improve the state of the art in this price tier, AMD and Nvidia did.

How is the driver situation? My only fear with these is Intel has to abandon them because the company is doing so bad and driver support dries up. On paper they sound great for the price.

They'll never give up IGPs which share the architecture now, and the drivers improve both. I don't think they'll give up on dedicated GPUs for a while, but even if they did it would still get driver improvements because they'd still be making the drivers for the integrated with the same architecture.

 

[DoubleClutch]

How is the driver situation? My only fear with these is Intel has to abandon them because the company is doing so bad and driver support dries up. On paper they sound great for the price.

I think those days are in the past. The drivers are in a good spot and are only getting better.

 

[Brakum]

let me know when it beats a 5090

Actually this but unironically.

You think intel is cathing up to others with decades of R&D.. but are they? You think it costs nvidia a lot more to make their gpus vs intel? I dont think so. If nvidia wanted to offer the same thing at the same price or even cheaper they could. They dont because they dont need to.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Reminder that you actually have to buy this for it to start to impact sales to the point where Nvidia notices and moves this tier past 128 bit 8GB. If people just complain, congratulate this, and buy the nvidia card anyways, we keep getting what we deserve. It's been NINE years of not moving this tier past 8GB and basically no movement for 4 years on performance. Some try to reduce Intel's accomplishment here by saying of course it's a bit better it's several quarters later, but who made the state of things that even that could improve the state of the art in this price tier, AMD and Nvidia did.



They'll never give up IGPs which share the architecture now, and the drivers improve both. I don't think they'll give up on dedicated GPUs for a while, but even if they did it would still get driver improvements because they'd still be making the drivers for the integrated with the same architecture.

Well said. I for one will be buying Intel and AMD when it comes time to replace my 3070, or put together a new PC. I’m just tired of the ngreedia price gouging and I don’t see myself missing out on anything by going to the competition.

 

[mitch1971]

did the OP just buy the card and want to justify his purchase for this peasant video card ?

Do the PC master race looking down on their own, now?

 

[Skifi28]

thanks to the B580 you now can build a PC for around $600, that is right in-between the PS5 and PS5 Pro in terms of performance

Ryzen 3600, a cheap motherboard, 16GB DDR4 3200, Intel B580, 1 TB SSD and a cheap 700W PSU should all come out at around $580~$620
and raytracing performance as well as the AI upsampling should both help it punch above the PS5 in terms of image quality and performance in many games.

I would strongly advice not building a PC with a 3600 in 2025.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Actually this but unironically.

You think intel is cathing up to others with decades of R&D.. but are they? You think it costs nvidia a lot more to make their gpus vs intel? I dont think so. If nvidia wanted to offer the same thing at the same price or even cheaper they could. They dont because they dont need to.

They absolutely are. Nobody thought this was possible and here we are. Nvidia isn’t untouchable, nobody is.

All that high margins do is cause others to admire them and say, “how can we participate in that pie”.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I would strongly advice not building a PC with a 3600 in 2025.

Depends on what you’re looking at playing. If you can find it on the cheap, go ahead, but the 5600X has hovered not much more than $100 USD… that’s a solid option as well. It should last a few more years for sure.

 

[delirium trigger]

The problem is that AMD is already doing this and it's not getting them anywhere. I want as much competition as possible, but I'd prefer they pay a little more attention to their cpu performance.

 

[VolticArchangel]

B580 has 12GB of VRAM and edges an RTX 4060 for a $250 USD.

It's close to and trades blows with a 4060 Ti, than a 4060, in most scenarios, especially at higher resolutions with RT ON, because of the higher VRAM.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

did the OP just buy the card and want to justify his purchase for this peasant video card ?

Keep taking that Nvidia D that is only targeting crypto miners and AI bros because you need that 5% better shaders.

 

[Crayon]

Jury is still out. They sold out super fast. We don't know how much the next restock will help. That would be a good strat if they are not making any money on them. No way to tell if the economics of this stuff pencils out.

 

[HogIsland]

I love what they're doing, I just hope devs take Intel compatibility/performance into account while they're making the next crop of games. XESS is already showing up in games, which is a good sign.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

It's close to and trades blows with a 4060 Ti, than a 4060, in most scenarios, especially at higher resolutions with RT ON, because of the higher VRAM.

I'm sorry, I don't understand retard - you want a company to win that continuously showed they don't give a flying fuck about gamers?

 

[//DEVIL//]

Keep taking that Nvidia D that is only targeting crypto miners and AI bros because you need that 5% better shaders.

 

[Crayon]

and a cheap 700W PSU

 

[Skifi28]

I'm sorry, I don't understand retard - you want a company to win that continuously showed they don't give a flying fuck about gamers?

Are we talking about Intel or nVidia here? I can't tell.

 

[Codeblew]

Do the PC master race looking down on their own, now?

Let's call them what they are, Nvidia fanboys.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

I agree that the focus on meaningless stuff like pathtracing and multi thousand dollar GPUs have made high end PC gaming a joke hobby, fit only for the sons of rich Arab sheikhs with more money than sense.

 

[kevboard]

I would strongly advice not building a PC with a 3600 in 2025.

if you want it purely for current gen gaming, it is more than enough.

also, having an AM4 board also means (if it's a decently recent one) that down the line you can upgrade to a Zen3 X3D chip later, and get a RIDICULOUS performance boost once the 3600 isn't enough anymore.

but, the 3600 is more than enough to get current gen games running at or above console performance. and especially paired with a mid range card like the B580, it's more than enough

 

[VolticArchangel]

you want a company to win that continuously showed they don't give a flying fuck about gamers?

Where in that post did I ever hint or even imply that "I want Intel or Nvidia to win "that continuously" despite their shady practices"? Who the fuck are you talking to?

I'm sorry, I don't understand retard

That's because you are one.

 

[v1oz]

It performs phenomenally in content creation, has all the necessary features and capabilities, XeSS is constantly getting better, and the drivers are only improving.

You probably need 16GB VRAM for content creation like video editing and image editing.

 

[Skifi28]

if you want it purely for current gen gaming, it is more than enough.

also, having an AM4 board also means (if it's a decently recent one) that down the line you can upgrade to a Zen3 X3D chip later, and get a RIDICULOUS performance boost once the 3600 isn't enough anymore.

but, the 3600 is more than enough to get current gen games running at or above console performance. and especially paired with a mid range card like the B580, it's more than enough

I strongly disagree. I'm on a 11600 and it's a borderline ok experience. Quite a bit of stuttering in many games where console versions are seemingly fine, 90+ fps gaming is often a struggle (even in older titles) and in some newer ones even 60fps is a tall order. Shaders take forever to compile, I can't download from steam and game at the same time without destroying performance etc. I bought it close to release so I'm fine with it, but I can't image someone getting a lower tier CPU as new in 2025 for gaming. That'll be a very disappointing experience to save a little money.

Grab that 3D CPU right at the start instead of having to upgrade after a disappointing year and wasting money on that 3600.

 

[Thebonehead]

I'm getting a 5090, but I love the fact intel is back in the game.

They're making the cards on their own fabs and foundries which helps.

Has there been any analysis videos on the frame generation solution in these cards yet?

 

[Three]

Are there even any in stock at RRP?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That's good to hear. A viable 3rd option for PC GPUs is always going to be welcomed. Let's just hope Intel don't pack it up and duck out of the space just because they've only started climbing the mountain.

With effort, they can catch up to AMD & Nvidia in other key areas sooner rather than later, and it seems like they already have something quite solid for the low-end of the market.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Its good to have competition and this is a win, but let me remind you about their CPU's. Its a corporation at the end of the day, lets drop the dick sucking for them shall we? Profit is all they're after, not consumer W's.

 

[Durin]

The struggle is keeping them in stock so people can actually have that price-point, but this is what I wanted Intel to do entering the market.

Their AI upscaling solution is better than FSR in enough titles, and close enough to DLSS to be nice as well. I just wish they could do have a mid-tier card option.

 

[Danjin44]

Profit is all they're after, not consumer W's.

What company isn’t? EVERY company is after profit.

 

[kevboard]

I strongly disagree. I'm on a 11600 and it's a borderline ok experience. Quite a bit of stuttering in many games where console versions are seemingly fine, 90+ fps gaming is often a struggle (even in older titles) and in some newer ones even 60fps is a tall order. Shaders take forever to compile, I can't download from steam and game at the same time without destroying performance etc. I bought it close to release so I'm fine with it, but I can't image someone getting a lower tier CPU as new in 2025 for gaming. That'll be a very disappointing experience to save a little money.

Grab that 3D CPU right at the start instead of having to upgrade after a disappointing year and wasting money on that 3600.

every PC to Console comparison shows that the Ryzen 3600 is roughly on par with consoles.
and I don't know of any game that doesn't reach 60fps on that CPU, which is usually the fps target of console versions, with rare exceptions, and in those exceptions the 3600 will probably still also be on par with console.

is there an example of a 3600 running noticeably worse than the same game runs on a PS5?

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Intel is purposely pricing it low and possibly making no profit to try and grab market share but if you think this is sustainable long term I have some bridges to sell you

If Intel actually gets some market share they will start raising prices to match AMD and Nvidia

They have runway to keep their own margins low for now until they build up substantial market share, it’s part of the plan.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Do you have a source for this?

Intel is purposely pricing it low and possibly making no profit to try and grab market share but if you think this is sustainable long term I have some bridges to sell you

If Intel actually gets some market share they will start raising prices to match AMD and Nvidia

 

[Skifi28]

every PC to Console comparison shows that the Ryzen 3600 is roughly on par with consoles.
and I don't know of any game that doesn't reach 60fps on that CPU, which is usually the fps target of console versions, with rare exceptions, and in those exceptions the 3600 will probably still also be on par with console.

is there an example of a 3600 running noticeably worse than the same game runs on a PS5?

If we're talking average framerates I don't know, maybe not. At least on average putting aside edge cases where the PC version has serious issues. If we're talking about 1% lows and stuttering I'd say definitely since I often have such problems on a better CPU where on the console version wasn't there. I'd also say that on PC you generally need a much better CPU to power through crappy ports. If you go with the minimum you're gonna run into issues sooner rather than later.

 

[64bitmodels]

They dont because they dont need to.

congratulations, you've left a hole in the market. Intel's gonna fill that up.

You don't need 25+ years of GPU experience and the greatest engineers in the industry to make an affordable, performant GPU that gamers will want to put in their computers. Seems ironic that such a talented and innovative company fails to recognize that basic fact.

 

[64bitmodels]

Its good to have competition and this is a win, but let me remind you about their CPU's. Its a corporation at the end of the day, lets drop the dick sucking for them shall we? Profit is all they're after, not consumer W's.

let's root for the corp that gives us the stuff we want. We'll shit on them for being evil when that time comes.